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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 11, 2014 14:17:28 GMT -5
Whoo every man and woman for ourselves!! We wouldn't need a union then!
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Post by ktpgirl on Dec 11, 2014 14:21:47 GMT -5
That's just human nature. Don't try to make people feel bad for doing what benefits them. Answer this: will you give up your raises so I can get mine? Yeah, I didn't think so
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Post by machination on Dec 11, 2014 15:38:05 GMT -5
Whoo every man and woman for ourselves!! We wouldn't need a union then! A lot of people here don't want a union, which is why they support right-to-work legislation. If right-to-work ever came to Kentucky these same people would quit paying dues but would expect the same pay, benefits, and representation that the uaw provides, given to them for free, without having a pay a cent for the service of having someone else negotiate for them. They would become leeches to be subsidized by the members who continued to pay dues. This is exactly what these narrow-minded, anti-union, right-to-work people are. They may be members, but they aren't brothers and sisters, because they have no concept of brotherhood. But they would be very very good leeches on those of us that do.
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Post by saugerman on Dec 11, 2014 15:38:33 GMT -5
Whoo every man and woman for ourselves!! We wouldn't need a union then! hey the powers that be in the union taught this....they have no problem voting themselves raises,union due increase,and hiring every loser worthless relative they can. So where do you think the It's all about me attitude came from?
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Post by saugerman on Dec 11, 2014 15:42:26 GMT -5
Whoo every man and woman for ourselves!! We wouldn't need a union then! A lot of people here don't want a union, which is why they support right-to-work legislation. If right-to-work ever came to Kentucky these same people would quit paying dues but would expect the same pay, benefits, and representation that the uaw provides, given to them for free, without having a pay a cent for the service of having someone else negotiate for them. They would become leeches to be subsidized by the members who continued to pay dues. This is exactly what these narrow-minded, anti-union, right-to-work people are. They may be members, but they aren't brothers and sisters, because they have no concept of brotherhood. But they would be very very good leeches on those of us that do. Speaking of brotherhood where were you sitting in the union hall when all of this went down many years ago?
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Post by machination on Dec 11, 2014 15:42:29 GMT -5
Whoo every man and woman for ourselves!! We wouldn't need a union then! hey the powers that be in the union taught this....they have no problem voting themselves raises,union due increase,and hiring every loser worthless relative they can. So where do you think the It's all about me attitude came from? From members like you saugerman. You would do far more damage to this union than any nepotistic, greedy, official could. At least they don't want to bust the union. Notice I said members, and not brothers. Anti-union people don't understand brotherhood.
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Post by machination on Dec 11, 2014 15:44:11 GMT -5
A lot of people here don't want a union, which is why they support right-to-work legislation. If right-to-work ever came to Kentucky these same people would quit paying dues but would expect the same pay, benefits, and representation that the uaw provides, given to them for free, without having a pay a cent for the service of having someone else negotiate for them. They would become leeches to be subsidized by the members who continued to pay dues. This is exactly what these narrow-minded, anti-union, right-to-work people are. They may be members, but they aren't brothers and sisters, because they have no concept of brotherhood. But they would be very very good leeches on those of us that do. Speaking of brotherhood where were you sitting in the union hall when all of this went down may years ago? I wasn't. It's called respect for those who came before us and appreciation for all that they'd gained for us. Obviously I wasn't one of the ones who came before me, that's just stupid saugerman.
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Post by saugerman on Dec 11, 2014 15:48:41 GMT -5
hey the powers that be in the union taught this....they have no problem voting themselves raises,union due increase,and hiring every loser worthless relative they can. So where do you think the It's all about me attitude came from? From members like you saugerman. You would do far more damage to this union than any nepotistic, greedy, official could. At least they don't want to bust the union. Notice I said members, and not brothers. Anti-union people don't understand brotherhood. Since you have so much knowledge on the union and they way everything should be let me give you a little advise from a old man that has been around the block a time or two. Before you post anymore troll polls or post anymore stupid rants..look in the mirror and say over and over again till it takes...." I don't have to act like a whining bitch..I don't have to act like a whining bitch. When your done acting like a 10 year old who can't get his way come back and try again.
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Post by saugerman on Dec 11, 2014 15:49:46 GMT -5
Speaking of brotherhood where were you sitting in the union hall when all of this went down may years ago? I wasn't. It's called respect for those who came before us and appreciation for all that they'd gained for us. Obviously I wasn't one of the ones who came before me, that's just stupid saugerman. I wasn't....LOL first truthful thing you have posted..And why would any official want to bust the union while filling their pockets....damn are you really that stupid? I post the truth not just the ones that fit my own needs like you
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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 11, 2014 15:54:30 GMT -5
Wasnt trying to make anybody feel bad about it just human nature comment. If it comes down to me or you getting a raise Ill do everything I can with in reason for you to be left high and dry. This coming contract when all everybody gets is a few crumbs, which most people I talk to in my area believe will happen is when the real division will begin. If RTW ever passes in kentucky (I hope it doesn't) there will be some nervous people at 862.
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Post by machination on Dec 11, 2014 16:00:15 GMT -5
From members like you saugerman. You would do far more damage to this union than any nepotistic, greedy, official could. At least they don't want to bust the union. Notice I said members, and not brothers. Anti-union people don't understand brotherhood. Since you have so much knowledge on the union and they way everything should be let me give you a little advise from a old man that has been around the block a time or two. Before you post anymore troll polls or post anymore stupid rants..look in the mirror and say over and over again till it takes...." I don't have to act like a whining bitch..I don't have to act like a whining bitch. When your done acting like a 10 year old who can't get his way come back and try again. The only one acting like a 10-year old whiny bitch is you saugerman. LOL, you absolutely hate my guts for taking up for the new hires. If I've said anything offensive to anyone it's been in response to the irrational hatred that's been thrown by them at me. People like to dish it out but, like you, can't take it. And I don't give a shit how many blocks you've been around buddy. You don't impress me, not even a little bit. And I don't have to get my way, I was just provoking a thoughtful discussion. It was only after the rage and insults and personal attacks thrown my way that I gave it right back. You're way too thin-skinned to handle someone who disagrees with you, so you resort to low blows and insults. If you're truly an old man you should be ashamed of yourself. You're not acting respectably.
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Post by saugerman on Dec 11, 2014 16:11:22 GMT -5
Since you have so much knowledge on the union and they way everything should be let me give you a little advise from a old man that has been around the block a time or two. Before you post anymore troll polls or post anymore stupid rants..look in the mirror and say over and over again till it takes...." I don't have to act like a whining bitch..I don't have to act like a whining bitch. When your done acting like a 10 year old who can't get his way come back and try again. The only one acting like a 10-year old whiny bitch is you saugerman. LOL, you absolutely hate my guts for taking up for the new hires. If I've said anything offensive to anyone it's been in response to the irrational hatred that's been thrown by them at me. People like to dish it out but, like you, can't take it. And I don't give a shit how many blocks you've been around buddy. You don't impress me, not even a little bit. I dont know nor care to know you....your words speak volumes. But feel free to babble on like a cretin...the union you talk about hasn't shown it's head in a long time...all we are left with is a bunch of self indulgent lowlife officals who grab every scrap they can for themselves and leave the ones who have paid dearly over the years with nothing but empty talk and promises. But hey babble on show us how stupid you really are
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Post by saugerman on Dec 11, 2014 16:13:41 GMT -5
Wasnt trying to make anybody feel bad about it just human nature comment. If it comes down to me or you getting a raise Ill do everything I can with in reason for you to be left high and dry. This coming contract when all everybody gets is a few crumbs, which most people I talk to in my area believe will happen is when the real division will begin. If RTW ever passes in kentucky (I hope it doesn't) there will be some nervous people at 862. Amen on that...that would stop the gravy train for a bunch of them....but hey there is always VW and bar servers in the las Vegas union who they can continue to fleece.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 11, 2014 16:42:56 GMT -5
You would have to be a total dumbass to vote for a contract that you didn't benefit from..Unless you were lucky enough to get your kid hired and you want everyone to feel sorry for them and get them a raise to legacy pay.Not me !!! I want and deserve a raise,hell McDonalds gives yearly raises!!
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Post by new2ford on Dec 11, 2014 18:49:49 GMT -5
I have got news for you machination, the union folks running LAP may not want THEIR part of the UAW to be destroyed but they do not care if other parts of the UAW go by the wayside. I know of at least three contract bids that UAW companies lost to non UAW =barely union companies, all other things equal. As long as the union officials are getting theirs they do not care about the membership. Why else would they betray their own union?
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Post by justaworker on Dec 13, 2014 19:15:39 GMT -5
Deleted some posts. You all fight too much.
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Post by machination on Dec 13, 2014 19:33:26 GMT -5
Deleted some posts. You all fight too much. Man you were on that fast. I was adding some to mine and then POOF it was gone, lol. It's probably for the best. Look, I understand that some people hate my guts. OF COURSE I want a raise, cola back, and everything else we lost returned, in addition to some gains, and I would like to see 2-tier gone and pensions for the new people as well. OF COURSE I've had crappy committeemen before and I've been pissed off at IUAW and some of the chairpersons that we've had. I've told off committeemen before who were way wrong, and I've openly disagreed with a chairperson. But I've also known good people in union positions, people who really do care, even about the so-and-so who hates their guts. I see a benefit for US long term if we had more solidarity. I'm going to take up for the new people. I grew up with union family who believed that we stick together. It was reinforced when I hired into heavy truck at KTP around guys who got hired in the 70s and some that got hired at LAP in the 60s and transferred to KTP when it opened in 1969. I didn't expect my opinion to be shared by everybody, but it is my opinion. And I'm not the least bit sorry about it. That's all.
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Post by peacebwu on Dec 17, 2014 14:39:42 GMT -5
I'm sure you're going to sign on blueoval under another name with a different POLL about giving up something else. We all got your number, I had it many years ago, others are just catching on!! You IUAW guys come around every four years trying to get a feel for what the members are willing to give up. I can't speak for anyone else but the answer to your question is NO!!!!
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Post by pmooret on Dec 17, 2014 15:17:15 GMT -5
We passed on a raise the last contract so that you could get one and they gave you a dollar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 18:05:58 GMT -5
I'm sure you're going to sign on blueoval under another name with a different POLL about giving up something else. We all got your number, I had it many years ago, others are just catching on!! You IUAW guys come around every four years trying to get a feel for what the members are willing to give up. I can't speak for anyone else but the answer to your question is NO!!!! ^ ^ This
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Post by JoePieper on Dec 19, 2014 18:36:35 GMT -5
"The best part of you ran down the crack of your momma's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress."
R. Lee Ermy
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Post by blackbird66 on Dec 20, 2014 10:04:14 GMT -5
"The best part of you ran down the crack of your momma's ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress." R. Lee Ermy Really, that's the best you can do to contribute.
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Post by beenaround on Dec 20, 2014 13:24:32 GMT -5
One question to all tier 2 workers who would vote against legacy workers earning a deserved just raise. Before you hired in at ford what was your hourly wage? If it was less then you are earning now, you received a very healthy raise.(probably) A raise we as legacy workers have not seen in more than a decade. So in all of your humble opinions,legacy employees are not deserving of a raise?
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Post by blackbird66 on Dec 20, 2014 13:59:03 GMT -5
One question to all tier 2 workers who would vote against legacy workers earning a deserved just raise. Before you hired in at ford what was your hourly wage? If it was less then you are earning now, you received a very healthy raise.(probably) A raise we as legacy workers have not seen in more than a decade. So in all of your humble opinions,legacy employees are not deserving of a raise? I think that's an unfair question. Do you truly feel that you are so much better than your brother that you deserve to make twice the pay performing an easier job? The local told us that we would not have two people working side by side for different pay, and that the second tier would be to fill "non-standard" jobs. They lied. Shame on them. I think we all knew it was a lie, and we allowed it anyway. Shame on us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 17:09:44 GMT -5
One question to all tier 2 workers who would vote against legacy workers earning a deserved just raise. Before you hired in at ford what was your hourly wage? If it was less then you are earning now, you received a very healthy raise.(probably) A raise we as legacy workers have not seen in more than a decade. So in all of your humble opinions,legacy employees are not deserving of a raise? I think that's an unfair question. Do you truly feel that you are so much better than your brother that you deserve to make twice the pay performing an easier job? The local told us that we would not have two people working side by side for different pay, and that the second tier would be to fill "non-standard" jobs. They lied. Shame on them.
I think we all knew it was a lie, and we allowed it anyway. Shame on us. They lied, yes, more than once. Shame on us? Go around and ask how many people voted "YES" last contract. If you can find 10 people who said they voted for the contract, you will find 100 that said they voted against it. Like I said before, the voting machines we use are push button and nothing keeps track of YOUR vote. Our local leadership does what it is told by the IUAW. And yes, if you made more (or less) than what you did before you hired in at Ford, you knew first hand what you would be making coming in. No one tied you down and made you work here. Say 15 years go by and 90% of us legacy workers are gone: New 2nd tier coming in starts making 1/2 of what you make and they bitch about it, how would you feel? If they knew what they were getting into before they took the job? I hope by then you guys and gals can get things changed and get the good ole boys out of the leadership roles and get your deserved pay and benefits. We are not against you, we are trying to get what we deserved years before you even stepped through the front gate.
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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 20, 2014 17:42:26 GMT -5
When equal pay for equal work happens legacy will get more out of these contracts. Its not fair to legacy not getting what they deserve when the union created this divide. Once everybody is equal that's when all of us as a whole will start to prosper. Union wont be able to deliver great contracts for everybody. One group will get less then they deserve. Its a damn shame you would expect this out of a non union work place!
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Post by machination on Dec 20, 2014 18:42:26 GMT -5
I'm sure you're going to sign on blueoval under another name with a different POLL about giving up something else. We all got your number, I had it many years ago, others are just catching on!! You IUAW guys come around every four years trying to get a feel for what the members are willing to give up. I can't speak for anyone else but the answer to your question is NO!!!! ^ ^ This Hey I'm not IUAW! You two guys are full of crap! I work on the line! But seriously, I work on the line. Hey new guys, some of us old timers have got your backs! I want a raise too, but for ALL of us! SO how about this: Legacy gets a 2% base wage increase each year of next contract, we all get COLA back, and new hires automatically go up to 70% our pay plus 5% more for every additional six months they've worked until they reach top after 3 years? Plus other stuff we've lost. That sounds good right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 20:03:47 GMT -5
Hey I'm not IUAW! You two guys are full of crap! I work on the line! But seriously, I work on the line. Hey new guys, some of us old timers have got your backs! I want a raise too, but for ALL of us! SO how about this: Legacy gets a 2% base wage increase each year of next contract, we all get COLA back, and new hires automatically go up to 70% our pay plus 5% more for every additional six months they've worked until they reach top after 3 years? Plus other stuff we've lost. That sounds good right? Sounds great but Jimmy Settles and the boys up north don't care about the workers. They care about themselves. They keep giving themselves raises and they keep taking from us. Look up the pay scale for the IUAW peeps.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 20, 2014 20:48:02 GMT -5
The legacy workers run this place so they ( ford) will give us a raise.They couldn't operate on the lesser paid workers.They aren't reliable enough .Theyre screwed,and we all know it.Never get full pay and when we are gone there will be some other dumbass reason they can't move up , so they might as well get used to it.Why would you care about the lower tier? It only makes up 20% of the work force.
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Post by wildcats34 on Dec 21, 2014 18:41:54 GMT -5
Exmetalman no need to post that, us two tier get reminded of it every day we walk through the door.
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