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Post by kaedenton on Nov 18, 2015 9:28:11 GMT -5
What other big locals are left to vote?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 18, 2015 9:52:03 GMT -5
600... They're getting bullied today.
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Post by rockyt on Nov 18, 2015 12:56:19 GMT -5
Chicago and Flat Rock also voting today
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Nov 18, 2015 13:00:29 GMT -5
600... They're getting bullied today. Yes they are, id like to see a redo on bonus... 1000 for every year served, nothing else will probabaly change.
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Nov 18, 2015 13:30:36 GMT -5
600... They're getting bullied today. Yes they are, id like to see a redo on bonus... 1000 for every year served, nothing else will probabaly change. A guy with 2 years earned $8500....??NO. thats the bribe to vote yes, just like most of them did im sure. Cant say i blame them. But the legacy has seen past the bribe
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Post by machination on Nov 18, 2015 15:34:36 GMT -5
600... They're getting bullied today. Yes they are, id like to see a redo on bonus... 1000 for every year served, nothing else will probabaly change. Damn that's a great idea! A $20,000 bonus?! That's realistic!! But unless they throw in a brand new truck for every member, 4% raises every year, and a fucking pony with a built in jacuzzi hanging off it's pony ass it'll get a big NO vote from me!
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 16:48:55 GMT -5
I sure hope you guys are right about vote rigging and fraud since the vote's going to be so close. I've got a bottle of champagne I'm waiting to pop open if it passes. Though (tho) if it FAILS 49-51 i guess your theories on that get exposed as just more bullshit, so either way I still win
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 16:52:10 GMT -5
I sure hope you guys are right about vote rigging and fraud since the vote's going to be so close. I've got a bottle of champagne I'm waiting to pop open if it passes. Though (tho) if it FAILS 49-51 i guess your theories on that get exposed as just more bullshit, so either way I still win How can you afford champagne on a UAW ford workers salary???lmao???
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 16:55:15 GMT -5
I sure hope you guys are right about vote rigging and fraud since the vote's going to be so close. I've got a bottle of champagne I'm waiting to pop open if it passes. Though (tho) if it FAILS 49-51 i guess your theories on that get exposed as just more bullshit, so either way I still win How can you afford champagne on a UAW ford workers salary???lmao??? I really hope you're just kidding. You are kidding right? Jesus christ dude, do you get out? You can buy champagne for less than $20..... I need a drink just reading this board...
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 16:57:33 GMT -5
Of course I am..It was like we "haven't had a raise since 02" humor...
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 16:58:52 GMT -5
Of course I am..It was like we "haven't had a raise since 02" humor... Fair enough. I thought you were serious lol. Well I've got some Jagermeister too if the champagne doesn't do the trick. You know metalman, that's the kind of sarcasm I'd expect to hear from a yes voter.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 17:03:48 GMT -5
NO I'm not a yes guy..But I would drink your booze ...
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 18:06:57 GMT -5
Getting ready to open a bottle of blackberry wine and get in the hot tub. I bought the hot tub when we made good money.
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Post by oldguy1 on Nov 20, 2015 18:19:34 GMT -5
I've got Cheap beer and a stream...
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Post by thisplacesux on Nov 20, 2015 18:21:32 GMT -5
Getting ready to open a bottle of blackberry wine and get in the hot tub. I bought the hot tub when we made good money. And it still works after all those years??
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 18:23:30 GMT -5
Bought a good one from Watson's (Caldera) about 12 years ago. It's been great... Had one motor rebuilt so far... Prolly jinxed myself...
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 20, 2015 18:25:15 GMT -5
Scott, I have a Hot tube also Bought it back in 2002. When we made good money$$. Glad it is a good one.
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:03:19 GMT -5
Getting ready to open a bottle of blackberry wine and get in the hot tub. I bought the hot tub when we made good money. We don't make good money?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 20:06:08 GMT -5
Getting ready to open a bottle of blackberry wine and get in the hot tub. I bought the hot tub when we made good money. We don't make good money? Good..that's about it..The average industry worker makes like 25.60,so we aren't far from average anymore..
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:09:06 GMT -5
Don't know about you, but no, I haven't made good money (vs inflation) since the early 2000(s)...I made the most between 2000-2003. If we had continued to get raises, and were at $33-35 per hour liked we should be (if we had negotiators that were truly on our side), that would be good money. Think what you could do with an extra $15,000 a year on 40 hours.
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:20:19 GMT -5
Don't know about you, but no, I haven't made good money (vs inflation) since the early 2000(s)...I made the most between 2000-2003. If we had continued to get raises, and were at $33-35 per hour liked we should be (if we had negotiators that were truly on our side), that would be good money. Think what you could do with an extra $15,000 a year on 40 hours. Believe me man I'd love to be making $33+ per hour but it's too far above industry wages for unskilled labor. We got too used to how fast we got to $28 back in the day. Our wages rose, back then, INSANELY fast. In 95 assembler pay was 17.94 and it was at 28 after what, 8-9 years or so? We were fortunate to hire in when we did. Our wages just will not rise that fast again. We'll be over $30 base in 3 years with this contract IF it passes. C'mon man. You're a smart guy, you know darn good and well that this is GREAT money, let alone good. We gain much with this agreement.
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 20, 2015 20:24:28 GMT -5
Machination, ask the Union German Automakers if this is such a Great Wage.. I'm sure the folks in Alabama think were King of the hill also.. Care to join them.. Hummmm
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:31:20 GMT -5
Machination, ask the Union German Automakers if this is such a Great Wage.. I'm sure the folks in Alabama think were King of the hill also.. Care to join them.. Hummmm Naa, the southerners should join us, but they've guzzled so much republican Kool-Aid they're sure to make substandard wages for generations. We can't get to $50/hr in a contract or two. That would take a long time and would also require a massive shift in the collective mentality of our culture, on a grass-roots all the way to upper political levels. The people, ironically as it seems, aren't ready for unskilled laborers to make $50/hr. Our country needs to change a lot more.
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 20, 2015 20:41:29 GMT -5
I agree Machination.. Being the # 1 Paint Department in the GLOBAL Ford Industry (( LAP )) and producing 20% of a Company's Net PROFIT, that has exceded 9 BILLION Dollars more than once recently, and also done from a Small building thats Land Locked.. Not Bad,.. Maybe I was expecting just a little bit more from our IUAW.... Pay the Workers....
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:43:40 GMT -5
I agree Machination.. Being the # 1 Paint Department in the GLOBAL Ford Industry (( LAP )) and producing 20% of a Company's Net PROFIT, that has exceded 9 BILLION Dollars more than once recently, and also done from a Small building thats Land Locked.. Not Bad,.. Maybe I was expecting just a little bit more from our IUAW.... Pay the Workers.... I might be misunderstanding, but you aren't suggesting that they pay workers at one local, ours, more than they pay workers at the other assembly plants are you?
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 20, 2015 20:50:52 GMT -5
No, I expect they pay a fair wage for a Tremendous Job.. Ford Quality is Equivalent to All the Major Automakers Now... Why can't we be Top Dog.. Sales say we are... Profits say we are.. Hummm Thats it, Pay the CEO more...
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:57:45 GMT -5
Pattern bargaining with companies that are near broke and had a record number of recalls...negative of pattern bargaining. Is it right that we make $2 more an hour than Chrysler? I think so...
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