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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 3, 2011 18:11:42 GMT -5
WTF are these retards doing to this economy......All we get is fucking excuses from Obama......it was too cold, oil spill, tornados,floods,etc...... The answer is just as straightforward: No, we’re not. Unemployment is at 9% and our national debt is over $14,000,000,000,000. According to Reuters, our floundering economy is only poised to get worse. Obama’s answer to the unemployment and incomprehensible debt is to raise taxes to the tune of $2 trillion: that’s “$1 trillion in new taxes on wealthier Americans (and small businesses)” and another trillion sought “in higher tax revenues by reducing tax breaks and subsidies.”
Gasoline, which was $1.81 a gallon when Obama took office, has jumped to over $4 more than once. (It’s now hovering around $3.70.) Throughout this more than 100% jump in gasoline prices, Obama maintained his offshore drilling moratorium and prevented us from drilling for more oil in the western states and Alaska.
Obama’s arrogance is so great that when a citizen asked him how average Americans were supposed to make ends meet with gas prices so high, Obama simply “suggested that the gentleman consider getting rid of his gas-guzzling vehicle.”pajamasmedia.com/blog/are-you-better-off-now-than-you-were-two-years-ago/ |
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Post by marcus on Jun 8, 2011 17:33:06 GMT -5
Just what till we get obama care.Companys are going to drop our healthcare very fast.Many are already talking about doing it the year obama care starts.
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Post by Grimace on Jun 8, 2011 18:02:22 GMT -5
I say we should keep voting for rich lawyers until we're dead! That seems to be the consensus of both parties...
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Post by marcus on Jun 9, 2011 4:41:37 GMT -5
Yep to many lawyers up on the hill.When they get in charge of things it goes to Hell!
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Post by lap65 on Jun 9, 2011 7:59:51 GMT -5
Maybe a little off subject, but GE is trying to raise their healthcare deductibles right now to $2000, I have a friend who works there, their union is talking strike, it headed to us next.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2011 9:04:32 GMT -5
Maybe a little off subject, but GE is trying to raise their healthcare deductibles right now to $2000, I have a friend who works there, their union is talking strike, it headed to us next. And our union leaders back this f**king idiot we have for a president. Cutting their own throats and ours as well. |
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 9, 2011 9:12:46 GMT -5
Maybe a little off subject, but GE is trying to raise their healthcare deductibles right now to $2000, I have a friend who works there, their union is talking strike, it headed to us next. And our union leaders back this f**king idiot we have for a president. Cutting their own throats and ours as well. LMAO If the UAW backed the Repubs, there would be no UAW within a few years...... |
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Post by lap65 on Jun 9, 2011 9:46:23 GMT -5
LMAO If the UAW backed the Repubs, there would be no UAW within a few years......[/quote]
Not going the politics route one way or the other but if we keep giving up everything we might as well not have one anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2011 10:48:55 GMT -5
And our union leaders back this f**king idiot we have for a president. Cutting their own throats and ours as well. LMAO If the UAW backed the Repubs, there would be no UAW within a few years...... Did I say the Repubs were better? And is the UAW really that great anymore? For all I care the IUAW can go f**ck themselves with branch from a thorn tree. I think we would be better off with a magic f**cking 8 ball making our decisions then hussein obama! |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 15, 2011 19:04:17 GMT -5
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 16, 2011 11:28:29 GMT -5
Its not real hard to understand if you could put your hate aside for a moment. The computer, that peice of technology that we have all come to love, that is in every part of our lives these days, has led to more job losses than any political party or President is responsible for. |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 16, 2011 19:50:35 GMT -5
Wow, you are a genius fr pointing that out...Awsome thank you!
Yet new technologies also create new jobs, many of them better-paying. That’s because the latest inventions often make a worker more productive and a business more efficient. As a result, businesses often can produce the same amount of goods and services with a smaller workforce.
In an interview with NBC, Obama correctly took note of the importance of automation to business. Yet he went a step further and implied that the substitution of machines for people is one of the reasons unemployment remains stubbornly high two years into an economic recovery. The jobless rate was 9.1% in May.
“There are some structural issues with our economy where a lot of businesses have learned to become much more efficient with a lot fewer workers,” the president said this week. “You see it when you go to a bank and you use an ATM. You don’t go to a bank teller. Or you go to the airport and you’re using a kiosk instead of checking at the gate. So all these things have created changes in the economy.”
The introduction of a new technology, however, doesn’t always render old jobs obsolete. Sometimes they continue to exist side-by-side with new machines. That’s the case with ATMs and bank tellers.
The number of tellers, in fact, rose to an all-time high of 607,960 in 2007 from 493,000 at the start of the decade, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The recession and a wave of bank failures eliminated 52,000 teller jobs over the past three years, but industry officials expect hiring to increase again as the U.S. economy recovers
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 16, 2011 19:52:57 GMT -5
...sorry posted too early above...
The reason: Banks plan to open more local offices to cater to a growing population that values the convenience of nearby branches. Indeed, the number of bank offices in the U.S. has climbed more than 20% in the past 20 years to nearly 100,000. Those offices have to be staffed.
“There’s always going to be a need for a branch,” said Carol Kaplan, a spokeswoman at the American Bankers Association. “There are just some financial matters that people don’t feel comfortable doing over the Internet. They just want to look someone in the eye across the desk.”
Plenty of jobs in ATM industry
The rise of the ATM industry, meanwhile, has also brought plenty of benefits to the U.S. economy. Thousands of well-paying jobs have been created in the fields of engineering, manufacturing and software development.
Take Diebold Inc. /quotes/zigman/224483/quotes/nls/dbd DBD -0.20% of North Canton, Ohio. The 150-year-old company, which used to make safes and locks, probably would have went out of business if it did not jump into the ATM business several decades ago, said Mike Jacobsen, a company spokesman
Now Diebold is the nation’s largest ATM manufacturer, employing more than 7,000 people to build and maintain the machines. The company generated $2 billion in revenue last year from ATM-related sales.
These positions also pay two to four times as much as the average $25,000 salary of a teller, a job with high turnover.
“We have a lot of engineers, especially in Ohio,” Jacobsen said. “These are well-paying careers. People don’t leave here.”
The benefits of ATMs to consumers, meanwhile, has incalculable benefits, economists say. People save lots of time and have quick and easy access to their cash — perhaps so they can spend it faster, which is good news for retailers.
The upshot: New technology is a big plus over time, even if automation kills some jobs in the short run.
“We might have a whole lot more jobs if cars were never invented,” Hoffman joked. “Just think of all the cowboys that went out of business.”
by Jeffry Bartash
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Post by rolltide on Jun 16, 2011 22:00:37 GMT -5
Great post polarbear, but take it a step further it's an Election yr next yr I know i'm going to sound like glen beck here but. It's got to be about Diebold corp. the largest ATM maker just so happens to be the largest maker of electronic voting machines. Remember just before and after every close election the dems always start whinning about Diebold coincidence I think not. Liberals will always tell you they fear its who they attack, just ask Sarah Palin
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 17, 2011 6:01:44 GMT -5
That's a great post from a corporate minded point of view, by those statistics the economy should be booming based on ATM producers.
Let's look at the USPS, I have a little personal knowledge here my wife has worked there for over 20 years. They are the second largest civilian employer in the US, yet in the last 5 years my wife's job has been abolished 3 times, forcing her to change locations and duties. There employment numbers have steadily declined since Email, they are currently hiring second tier workers though, we all know what kind of pay and benefits those are.
How many to jobs were lost here at Ford when the robot was brought in? We currently use Kawasaki robots, they aren't made in the US though.
I still stand by my initial post, technology has led to the loss of many jobs, the majority of them low skilled, the type of job the common high school graduate once wanted.
The voting machines worked just fine for the American public in 2008.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 17, 2011 11:12:49 GMT -5
....Among the most viable of all economic delusions is the belief that machines on net balance create unemployment. Destroyed a thousand times, it has risen a thousand times out of its own ashes as hardy and vigorous as ever. Whenever there is a long-continued mass unemployment, machines get the blame anew. This fallacy is still the basis of many labor union practices…..
The belief that machines cause unemployment…leads to preposterous conclusions. Not only must we be causing unemployment with every technological improvement we make today, but primitive man must have started causing it with the first efforts he made to save himself from needless toil and sweat…
Sad,Sad....Sadly, many people will agree with Obama and you for that matter, because they lack the vision to see the whole picture. They see less bank tellers and more ATMs.... much as Barack Obama does.... and presume this must mean higher unemployment. This myth, and it is a myth, is older than even the great lament that cars put blacksmiths on the unemployment line by getting rid of the need for horse shoes....
This left-wing populist thinking does not create jobs and often leads to dangerous policies that stifle the innovation that create the jobs that spring forth from the ATM’s replacing the bank tellers. Barack Obama sees less tellers at the banks because of ATM’s. But he does not see new IT workers at the bank to manage the ATM ....higher paid than the tellers. He does not see the computer programmers. He does not see the manufacturers of the machines and their component parts....
Barack Obama shows himself to be clearly ignorant of the way a free market economy works and innovates. Consequently, his economy policy is founded on that ignorance, accepts as gospel the decline of the United States, and, until he is replaced, we are FUCKING screwed.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 15:13:19 GMT -5
That's a great post from a corporate minded point of view, by those statistics the economy should be booming based on ATM producers. Let's look at the USPS, I have a little personal knowledge here my wife has worked there for over 20 years. They are the second largest civilian employer in the US, yet in the last 5 years my wife's job has been abolished 3 times, forcing her to change locations and duties. There employment numbers have steadily declined since Email, they are currently hiring second tier workers though, we all know what kind of pay and benefits those are. How many to jobs were lost here at Ford when the robot was brought in? We currently use Kawasaki robots, they aren't made in the US though. I still stand by my initial post, technology has led to the loss of many jobs, the majority of them low skilled, the type of job the common high school graduate once wanted. The voting machines worked just fine for the American public in 2008. Just like the telegraph went belly up when better technology came about. What about the sewing machine? Or even the automatic car wash? With new technology comes new jobs. I just dont understand how the sheeple believe every word hussein obama spouts out of his socialist mouth. Polar nailed the fact sheet to the wall. Great post Polar! |
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 17, 2011 15:26:39 GMT -5
Wow, you are a genius for pointing that out...Awsome thank you! No reply to the USPS info?? The people of China, India ect... they love those new jobs, producing all those devices that the American people need. The call centers for all those IT jobs, oh yeah there in India also... I guess I'll just send all of my wages to that top 1% of Americans and get it over with...they doubled thier income during the last Repub Admin. The worst depression since the "Great Depression" began during the 7th year of Bushes presidency, I can't wait to get back to the good ole days. LMAO |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 17, 2011 16:58:20 GMT -5
...so, you are saying you had 7 good years with Bush? ...we have yet to have one good year with Obama....lol .......
Look, you say technology causes job loss....I say technology causes reclasification of jobs(more school,retraining,another job,..etc..)
...ask your wife what happened to her laid off friends over those 5 years.....those peope did not just die or vanish from the face of the earth..they went out and got,more education,more training,etc..... and forund another jobbbbb........but to say that this is the reason for this so called depression ....you and Obama are sadly mistaken......so in the future, if I don't reply to something you posted....that just means, that I'm affraid that I may lose IQ points debating that particular subject with you....danm, I just lost 2 points!
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Post by rolltide on Jun 17, 2011 18:05:36 GMT -5
here's a comment about the USPS the Gov. should cut off funding if it is ran more efficiently it could survive on its on. if not some other company would come and do it.
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 18, 2011 5:53:51 GMT -5
What I'm saying is, if either political party gets to much Congressional control they go out of control. I feel this was quite evident looking at the Bush years, corporate profits soared, Wall Street got way out of hand, ect...that is the reason for this so called depression, and the middle class always pays for it. The Dems endured those years and for the past few they have ran wild also.
I agree technology does force reclassification, but not always for the good. Good paying Manufacturing jobs have been replaced by semi-skilled low paying jobs. I am glad I made the hard choices I did when I was young. If you have children get them good education and specialized skill training at an early age.
The USPS has been striving for efficiency, thats why all the layoffs and office closings. FedEx has been handling some shipping duties for years, yet they want no part of the real problem, and that is, the every day mail delivery to your home. This is something everyone has come to expect, yet it is very costly. If there was money to be made doing it, many companies would already be in the business.
I enjoy these disscussions with everyone on this Forum, if I express an opinion that you don't agree with don't take it personally, it's not meant to be that way. I have learned many things about the way others think and thier views on many different Internet Forums, more knowledge is usually good.
Peace out Union people. ;D
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Post by marcus on Jun 18, 2011 16:07:13 GMT -5
Great post Rolltide, USPS needs to be cut big time way to much waste in those Gov jobs.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 18, 2011 16:24:38 GMT -5
...so now is not job loss....technology causes low pay jobs, which is it?...wallstreet,rich Bush.....Wallstreet, Rich,Bush......broken record.....be more specific please.....HOW did they cause the depresion? ....and enough with the speaches please...
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 18, 2011 17:46:19 GMT -5
Why does it sound familiar Polar? LOL. I do believe the last Repub admin and congressional majority caused the majority of the economic problems the middle class is feeling.
I believe that technology played a big part in the loss of manufacturing jobs that a middle class worker could support his family on. Many new jobs were created by technology, yet they didn't pay nearly as well, not enough to support a middle class family.
As I stated Marcus, if it wasn't for the home delivery the USPS wouldn't be in the shape it's in. It would be a culture shock to lose the home delivery but it will probobly come to that one day.
Anyone can skip over the parts you don't want to read. LMAO
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 18, 2011 18:23:42 GMT -5
How? How did they cause these problems? How? How? ...
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 18, 2011 20:13:42 GMT -5
The Bush Admin started with a budget surplus....the rest is history.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 18, 2011 21:39:04 GMT -5
Typical answer...But How did that cause the recesion Mr genious? ...
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 21, 2011 6:56:14 GMT -5
2 Term Repub Pres, party control for the majority of the the 2 terms.
How were they NOT responsible Mr.Genius?
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jun 21, 2011 7:16:38 GMT -5
You are the one the keeps making these blanket statements explaing who's responsible for the recesion. "Bush,Corparate,Wallstreet"......"Bush started with a surplus...the rest is history".......so again..."How did they cause the "majority of the economic problems"? What did they do?
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Post by ktpelec on Jun 21, 2011 14:56:39 GMT -5
You posted the Topic, a "blanket" question.
My response is, "Yes, I am, considering the shape the country was in when he took over."
I'm sorry if you don't agree, but you asked my opinion.
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