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Post by reedycreekbuc on Jun 10, 2011 9:29:55 GMT -5
Is there really more interest in a free jacket, than in a possible start time change? Doesn't anyone have have an opinion on it, or do we not care? Just curious!
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Post by rline1 on Jun 10, 2011 10:20:10 GMT -5
No I don't think there is more interest, just people realize that at KTP you just know you're going to get screwed and have to do whatever the company says. I hate the change!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kentucky250s on Jun 10, 2011 10:55:58 GMT -5
Of the choices we were given of start times i still see no LOGICAL choice how any of them will help with are man power issues or awols what ever excuse there giving for wanting this change, i for one don't want to come in at 754 on a friday night just to haft to leave the house early to fight traffic to get to work and haft to stay later into sat. morning very bad start to are weekend and if you have weekend plans well i see a awol problem for sure ill take 4 10s or sunday through thur.......
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Post by JoePieper on Jun 10, 2011 11:32:17 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? this is the first I have heard of this. A little more detail would be nice.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Jun 10, 2011 11:46:56 GMT -5
Joe,
We were given a survey on start times for night shift. The choices were 4pm, 4:30pm, 6:00pm or 6:54pm.
Kentucky250s,
I want the later start time, but I want Sun-Thu. more. I could be wrong, but I think there would be less awols. Why not try it for 6 months and see what happens?
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Post by JoePieper on Jun 10, 2011 12:33:03 GMT -5
Glad I work in Body. I love 3-11 ;D
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Post by paintutility on Jun 10, 2011 13:30:27 GMT -5
Joe, just make sure you are keeping all the glass clean back there...windowlicker
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Post by Ktp1989 on Jun 10, 2011 13:37:25 GMT -5
they will never go back to the sunday start because of the sunday pay and the need for skilled trades on a sunday night start up...too much $$$. 4 tens would be a possibility after shutdown since they are making changes to allow the paint and bodyshop to keep up with Final to eliminate the early sundays and late fridays in paint and body. 6:54 is the best option in my opinion...allows you to get the kids off the school bus, have dinner with them and also allows you spouse to get home before you head to work...just my 2 cents.
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Post by ktp399 on Jun 10, 2011 14:31:00 GMT -5
I heard that the union was the one pushing the new start time.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 10, 2011 15:49:29 GMT -5
Stamping was given a 10 day notice of a schedule change...the press which used to be 4-10s is now 5-8s...the press which had shifts of 1-9am and 10am-6pm is now going to 6am and 430pm start times. Roll form is also going to 5-8s from 4-10s. They don't give a shit what any of us think or want, believe that. They are doing this in stamping so they can loan out the youngest to the big house every day to cover the manpower shortage.
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Post by kessinger on Jun 10, 2011 16:59:37 GMT -5
Yes we are behind it. Everyone always says :why don't they ask us" so we did.
We hear all the time that B-crew wants a start time change. We thought a change could help, even help with AWOLs. Though school is out right now a later start could allow folks to see their kids before work. But, the survey will tell.
If we are wrong it will stay where its at or we will try to change to what people want. Order bank is still too high for 4x10's. Trying to make things better. If better means to leave it the hell alone, so be it.
It would have to be a big difference to make a change if the percentages are 4=20% 4:30=25% 6=25% 6:54=30% then i don't see a change. It would have to be a considerable difference.
Many ask why 6:54, that is the latest you can start with a 5% shift premium 7 starts 10%
The stamping change sucks. But hopefully we can get the people hired in and get back to the current schedule. And yes it is purely because they can barely run final. There were 42 people borrowed to final today to run.
For the record. Most reps that are on B crew a lot thought this thing would be like 80% for the latest start time. But early results say maybe not. That is the power of the squeaky wheel. People that wanted a change have been making a lot of noise about it while those that want it to stay the same have not been. But again, that is why we surveyed.
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Post by dieselfan on Jun 10, 2011 17:54:57 GMT -5
Hey Kess, is there any discussion of working Sun-Thur with the late start of 6:54?
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Post by ktpgurl on Jun 10, 2011 18:07:09 GMT -5
What is the reason for the attendance problem? During the month of May they said it was people trying to get their days in with June eligibility. Now it is June and the problem continues. Is this AWOL's, medicals, vacations... ?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 10, 2011 18:17:30 GMT -5
Forget the recent day, but I was told about 107 AWOLS and 115 medicals...for 222 or so total...so pretty pathetic to say the least.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 10, 2011 18:18:06 GMT -5
If you can't get a day scheduled, they take it, then convert it...so you know what we will lose next?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 18:58:27 GMT -5
Wow,really Brian? What about people who have to get kids ready in the morning, or like to do stuff on the weekend? If the union thinks start time is the problem, it shows how out of touch you are and that we made some mistakes at election time.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 10, 2011 19:06:48 GMT -5
I think the survey may very well be split...but I would definitely be in favor of a later start. 6:54 kinda sucks tho...
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Post by ktpgal89 on Jun 10, 2011 19:14:00 GMT -5
What is the reason for the attendance problem? During the month of May they said it was people trying to get their days in with June eligibility. Now it is June and the problem continues. Is this AWOL's, medicals, vacations... ? Every year it's the same problem with attendance in the summer..some June eligible people like to use it up all at once. Weather is hot and the kids are out of school so they think "I'll take the day". It's the current attendance policy that encourages AWOLS-all you have to do is miss a day then sign back thru HR and as long as you have a personal day to cover it-you are good to go.
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Post by kessinger on Jun 10, 2011 20:04:59 GMT -5
Scott is very close on the the attendance numbers.
AR, that is why we surveyed. Did we think start time is the reason for AWOLs. Of course not. Did we think the night shift having the start time they wanted may help slightly. Yes. The AWOLs on #1 shift trend lower than #3 so yes, what time you come in can make a difference.
Diesel, Sun thru Thur can't be done due to the DT issue. If we ever have a contractual option there we may take it.
I do have to say , I find it odd some are so angry we are ASKING YOU if you want a change.
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Post by tiger66 on Jun 10, 2011 20:33:32 GMT -5
Hire temps for the summer, Toyota in Georgetown has been doing this for 20 years.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Jun 10, 2011 20:59:17 GMT -5
Hire temps for the summer, Toyota in Georgetown has been doing this for 20 years. Ford used to do that as well back years ago...I was one while in college.
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Post by brizzel on Jun 10, 2011 21:36:39 GMT -5
Problem is way too many medicals not doing a job. Just walking around having a good time.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Jun 10, 2011 21:43:12 GMT -5
How about 4 - 10 hour days, with rotating Fridays. You wont eliminate Friday awols until you eliminate Friday work.
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Post by marcus on Jun 10, 2011 21:49:08 GMT -5
People have to use personal days now when they are sick or even have to go to the hospital becasue they are in a car wreck.Its the stupid new rules that we voted in without knowing the details of it. If they ever take away our personal days so that we cant use them then we are SCREWED and at our overseers mercy.The boss man takes care of his buddys in this place.We need more people plan and simple.
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Post by marcus on Jun 10, 2011 21:52:48 GMT -5
Its not our fault we have so many medicals! I had our union man himself tell me that when we have a problem on a job with medicals they weigh the cost to fix the job right compared to how many people it hurts.HELL WITH THEM
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Post by olddude on Jun 10, 2011 22:10:29 GMT -5
Here's why there's an attendance problem. The heat index is 95 - 100 degrees and the company is running frame and chassis 9.5 - 10 hours everyday. Oh they may cut it back a tenth if we run balls to the wall, but who cares about A tenth. Attendance is only going to get worse as long as they run us into the ground. I really hope we get surveyed before we have to go 4 - 10's because I don"t know anyone on dayshift who is in favor of it.
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Post by dave on Jun 10, 2011 22:23:16 GMT -5
Try running 11hrs a day, 6 days aweek with every 3rd Saturday off. Then u can talk about being worked into the ground.
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Post by marcus on Jun 10, 2011 22:28:14 GMT -5
They forget we are not a young work force anymore
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Post by mazroth on Jun 11, 2011 9:20:15 GMT -5
We thought a change could help, even help with AWOLs. What I see where I work is some on medical, someone is always hurt one way, or another. Then there are many with open medicals, and the days most of them miss are Fridays. Our extra people are Always being loaned out, so no one is flipping. So, people awol to get away from it all. I like to flip, cause I dont see my kids until the weekend, then the wife is at work, we are never all together unless im not at work. So in my case, I would like the later start time to see my kids, but starting us at 654 instead of 7pm is a kick in the face also, 6 minutes vs 5% increase in pay makes you feel like the company is pointing their finger at you and saying HAHA. Coming it at a different start time, lets see, will it stop people with medical leave? I dont think so, coming in at a different time means you still have to come into work. Only way it may help is for those that have a open medical for a family member, then this may allow them adequate time to get them to the doctors office and back in time for work, but is this the kind of medical everyone is using to be off on Fridays? Doubt it. So, what would help solve the attendance problem? ONE-people to come to work, so others can flip out. TWO-a shift change so they come to work, then the change would need to be 4-10s. Why? They dont have to come to work on Friday, so they wouldnt have to awol on Friday! Changing the schedule to 4-10s I think would help, as do many others, but doing so then management calliing 10.7 would start awols up again. Its all mainly due to moral! No flipping out sucks, working 10 hours sucks! And doing all of this when its this damn hots makes it that much worse. Why do you think we put up better numbers and have better attendance when we are on 8 hrs?
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Post by mazroth on Jun 11, 2011 9:25:09 GMT -5
Last time I was sick, I was out of personal time, so I would have gotten two awols for being sick, yay. So, I had to to out with medical for 3 days. So yeah, I had to miss more work due to the policy. And I tell you, everyone else that does my job doesnt fix all the crap I fix, so yeah, bad quality, and more hurt feelings, no one gets to flip cause other teams have to help cover my job.
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