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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Jun 11, 2011 11:41:50 GMT -5
4 DAYS AT 10 - 10.7 IS THE ANSWER..... AN EXTRA DAY OFF A WEEK IS WORTH THE EXTRA TIME PER DAY............. PERIOD!
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Post by thintwowin on Jun 11, 2011 12:23:57 GMT -5
I'll rather have 5-8's, to old for 4-10.7's . 6:00 for night shift was the start time for years before 3 crew rolled out. I liked it.
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Post by bo862 on Jun 11, 2011 14:05:56 GMT -5
A 4-10 schedule will only cause people to awol on Thursday for a 4 day weekend.
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Post by olddude on Jun 11, 2011 15:35:14 GMT -5
4 - 10/10.7 sucks. You can't get anything done during the week so you spend all of Friday trying to catch up. And if you go to 4 days then the next thing you know the company starts working us A Friday here and A Friday there. There is no such thing as A "work schedule" at Ford.
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Post by rclap on Jun 11, 2011 16:15:51 GMT -5
I think you'll always have an awol problem here. The combination of unpleasant work enviroment, overloaded jobs or jobs with maximum work loads, 9.5-10 hour days, 95 degree heat, and gestapo management will ultimately result in high absenteeism. It's the nature of this beast.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 11, 2011 18:37:50 GMT -5
rclap...BINGO...great post!
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Post by ktpgurl on Jun 11, 2011 19:42:31 GMT -5
In my area we haven't flipped since the new management team rolled to days. We loan out all extras almost everyday and when we don't they keep the extras to cover their ass. Previous management crew let us flip pretty regular...every couple of weeks....just something to look forward to. Now we can't get a day off...especially if it's a Monday or Friday. Where else can you work in the sweltering heat for 9 to 10 hours a day 5 days a week. Never know when you are getting off until 1:30 everday...why is that such a big secret anyway. You can't make plans or doctors appts unless you take a day or find one with Saturday hours or evenings and that ain't happening. The work force is getting older and people are just plain tired of it.
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Post by moelap on Jun 11, 2011 21:26:28 GMT -5
I think you'll always have an awol problem here. The combination of unpleasant work enviroment, overloaded jobs or jobs with maximum work loads, 9.5-10 hour days, 95 degree heat, and gestapo management will ultimately result in high absenteeism. It's the nature of this beast. Ditto...could'nt have said it better so I won't
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Post by marcus on Jun 11, 2011 21:40:11 GMT -5
Some great posts here
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Post by lap65 on Jun 11, 2011 22:01:08 GMT -5
4 - 10/10.7 sucks. You can't get anything done during the week so you spend all of Friday trying to catch up. And if you go to 4 days then the next thing you know the company starts working us A Friday here and A Friday there. There is no such thing as A "work schedule" at Ford. Amen! Hated it LAP, thought I would enjoy a 3 day weekend every week at first, but would have gone back to 5-8's in a heartbeat. Like he said all you do Friday is play catch up.
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Post by olddude on Jun 11, 2011 23:07:33 GMT -5
After reading these post's I had to stop and remind myself that Ford doesn't give A crap about how long we work or what the temperature is in the plant or us seeing our family, or if you get to roll out, or how overloaded your job is, etc.... The only thing that matters are the number's. What's wrong with you people, you've all worked here long enough to know this!!!!!!! Just keep building trucks. It doesn't matter how many double up's there are or how quality is. Just keep crankin' em out!
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Post by trinitus on Jun 15, 2011 0:41:09 GMT -5
OK now my two cents worth, like you really thought I would't have an opinion. Let's look at the start times they gave us and analyze them for what it's worth.
1. 4:00 start time= like this one really would happen to begin with. Dayshift starts at 6:00am and if they do go 10 hours, this start time would overlap their stop time. Which one of you genius f#$*s came up with this one.
2. 4:30 start time= DUH we are already doing this one now, people complain about it so why would this be an option to begin with. Although this start time works for me, doesn't mean it works for everyone.
3. 6:00 start time= This one makes the most sense, since it was a start time for night shift for a long time. We tried several other start time since we stopped starting at 6. Yes we started for a little while at 6:30 and due to AWOLS and MEDICALS during the summer we went back to 6:00 start time.
4. 6:54 start time= Who would want to start at this ridiculous start time. You still have to get on the interstate near the tailend of rush hour and if there is a serious acident on the interstate during that time, then that makes people that much later to work. Not to mention (as someone lese already did), this start time makes you work longer into Saturday morning and if your family has plans then forget them.
No easy way to do this. A 4:30 start ime bumps shifts together so the line dosen't go down. They won't have to worry about the line not starting once it gets turned off. 6:00 start time gives us plenty of room in the parking lot so we don't have to hike an additional mile before we get to the gate. No matter what time we go to, we won't stop AWOLS or the fact that people get hurt.
I hate this place as much as the next person who works here, but we have a job to do and a family to feed. As my buddy told me, we were told that we would see more of each other than we will see our families, if your family means that much to you then quit and go get another job that allows you to spend time with them. It was harsh I know but he opened my eyes, my family is important to me and I want to see more of them but keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table is even more important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2011 3:06:33 GMT -5
working in an auto assembly plant sucks, it doesnt matter the start time.
moving the start time back just trades time off on saturday for time off on monday, which any way you add it up, is just plain stupid.
there will always be awols, always has been, always will be.
anyone wonder what the union has had to promise ,or give up ,in order to be able to decide what the start time will be?
anyone wonder why the union is interested in start times but the water fountains are still fucked up, ice machines still broken, jobs still overloaded, management still running amok? i can tell you why. because they cant see that shit from the office, or bar, where they spend their work day, thats why.fuck them.
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Post by ktpsparky on Jun 15, 2011 7:48:19 GMT -5
Here's a different perspective.
6A & 6P start times make the most sense from a maintenance perspective. The 1.5 hours (or more for shifts of less than 10 hrs) between shifts allows time to repair stuff. I have personally seen astounding amounts of repair completed in 1.5 hr blocks of time.
On a different note, why does the daily schedule vary so much? Wouldn't it make more sense to just set a schedule and run the full time on Monday-Thursday and then just cut it off early on Friday if the complete weekly schedule is built ahead of time? Does 6 minutes here or 12 minutes there really make that much of a difference? Waiting 'til after lunch for a line time (that usually still changes) is ridiculous micro management.
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Post by olddude on Jun 15, 2011 8:26:35 GMT -5
ar15 - good post. especially the last part. The higher ups in the union are soooooooooo out of touch with the folks on the line.
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Post by mazroth on Jun 15, 2011 9:57:40 GMT -5
I do have to say , I find it odd some are so angry we are ASKING YOU if you want a change. Most people dont like change. Whenever a change comes about, there will always be some who like it, and some who dont, not everyone will always agree. Most of the guys around me like the 6:54 start. Why? Like me, I like it and dont like it. But with only 11-12 years in, you cant get on dayshift. So what happens, we work till 3am etc, get home, sleep, get up when the kids are gone, leave for work just before the kids come home. Yeah, I see them on the weekends, when the wife works, because she is in the same boat as I, not enough time for dayshift, but going 5 days without seeing them really sucks. It also really sucks we are not ever together as a family due to sucky work hours. I would prefer the time be 7pm or later, but ford wont do that, they would have to pay us 5% more.
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Post by wplap on Jun 15, 2011 12:05:09 GMT -5
I'm glad this survey has garnered such ire and brought forth a ton of attention to our start times. Those of us who hired in '99-'00, haven't seen a decent sized hire-in class since. It seems, typically, that since 1970-whatever there has been a hire-in class that allowed a lot movement every six years or so. The few who hired in after 2000 have mostly been bought out, nothing to substantiate shift rolls or even department transfers. So for the past 11-12 years....we wait...we wait...but none does the dayshift come and now you have a several hundred irate mother fuckers -who, for the love of god!- just either want to see the sunrise or the sunset, and more importantly, their families, the only reason they come into this god-forsaken hell-hole!
Ford has been through the ringer, dayshift still seems far away, so the question of start time changes is a good and healthy one, but I fear it is only false hope. All of these options are cheap trinkets for the people who sacrificed their bodies and family time just to make the ends meet. If we need to change the shift premium time structure to make schedule changes...then let's go about doing that. I know Kessinger had mentioned in another thread that he was inquiring about just that.
I for one, think that if we changed this horrible Final Area B Crew schedule to that of a 3rd shift Sun-Thurs then AWOLs would be cut back tremendously; Final wouldn't be so sweltering hot this summer, so less medicals; Moral would rise for those who have families and can actually see those they are working for. And for all this...I don't need a change in my shift premium, I don't need double time for the short period that I will be technically working on a SUnday. I need a change that my seniority will not allow.
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Post by ktp399 on Jun 15, 2011 12:56:32 GMT -5
wplap- you hit the nail on the head.
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Post by kentucky250s on Jun 15, 2011 13:07:09 GMT -5
WPLAP i to agree with you, im a 99er also and sick and tired of seeing just the medical people benefit of everything and here we are still stuck but those hours would be awesome we have given so much back to the company id be willing to give a little more just to work something like that meaning the shift premiums
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Post by kessinger on Jun 15, 2011 17:51:57 GMT -5
Good posts.
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