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Post by ktp399 on Jun 17, 2011 2:45:38 GMT -5
I heard today that they pulled 250 referrals that we turned in. They are calling them for orientation during shutdown. Anyone else heard this?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 17, 2011 4:49:58 GMT -5
Yes, but I heard they will either be called to come in on June 25th or maybe that's the day they get called?
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Post by beenaround on Jun 17, 2011 8:30:36 GMT -5
Well then, All relatives of the Union structure need to be patiently sitting by their telephones.
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Post by moelap on Jun 17, 2011 9:02:34 GMT -5
Which ones are they TPT or the LTS (Long Term Supplemental )employees that the referrals were handed out for....I for one told the person that filled out the referral form that it was for the 2-tier wage jobs...if this is not correct then it was not made clear and we were misinformed!!!
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Post by kessinger on Jun 17, 2011 9:09:52 GMT -5
been, the union has hand picked who got hired from the begining of time. When i hired in they did it (not for me, but they did it) When you got hired they did it. I think most people expect that. But, that is not what we did.
We had labor do a random selection and we had the committee people invited to observe it. You guys elected them to represent you. Did a 1 or 2 reps. refereals get drawn, yes. They had the right to turn em in to. There were also folks on here whos referals got selected. One who regularly complains about me. (hopefuly his relative likes me more)
Half of the tests come from the referals we turned in and the other half from the state UO apps. The state did basicly the same selection process.
The company would not let us have the list for privacy reasons. But they read them out as they got pulled so if anyone heared a name they recognized they could let people know.
Now, do I think the world stopped moving and that someone didn't get slipped in from a Senators office or Detroit somehow. No of course not, we still live in America. But, unlike years past where we hired thousands and could get everyones referal hired on we only got the opportunity to do a few hundred. So we wanted to do it in a fair way.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 17, 2011 9:55:30 GMT -5
I think it's great that an actual lottery was performed...and witnesses actually had the opportunity to see it go down. Job well done!
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Post by kuka on Jun 17, 2011 13:34:42 GMT -5
I guess as they say, "theres always a first time for everything".
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Post by kingofalldans on Jun 17, 2011 13:49:21 GMT -5
Well then, All relatives of the Union structure need to be patiently sitting by their telephones. Nice. ;D
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Post by ktpgal89 on Jun 17, 2011 13:51:41 GMT -5
Well then, All relatives of the Union structure need to be patiently sitting by their telephones. Nice. ;D I was thinking the same thing, Dan!!
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Post by rocketman on Jun 17, 2011 13:58:29 GMT -5
I'm sure some "funny business" about bringing TPT's or LTS's will still go on, if it hasn't happened already....
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 17, 2011 14:22:00 GMT -5
Well, I believe you have to expect it...if I was in their position (someone that could actually convince someone to bring in someone I knew), I would get everyone a job that wanted one, it has to be expected. I have no problem with it...it will always help to know someone in this world.
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Post by beenaround on Jun 17, 2011 16:40:36 GMT -5
Kess, I understand and agree with your reply to some degree. I'm just saying that after 22 years I've seen my fair share of the lopsided hiring practices.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Jun 17, 2011 18:33:59 GMT -5
I think it's great that an actual lottery was performed...and witnesses actually had the opportunity to see it go down. Job well done! Is there going to be a list of names and who referred them or is that too much to ask for the rest of us normal folk that never get a referral thru?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 18, 2011 9:42:37 GMT -5
I would not imagine they would produce the list...if labor and some union reps witnessed a computer lottery, that's enough for me. I trust St. Clair...he was there and told me he witnessed this happening.
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Post by ktpgal89 on Jun 18, 2011 13:02:21 GMT -5
I would not imagine they would produce the list...if labor and some union reps witnessed a computer lottery, that's enough for me. I trust St. Clair...he was there and told me he witnessed this happening. I'm from the Indianapolis plant and when we had our lottery, we were given a ticket with a number on it. The winning numbers were then posted on the bulletin board so we could actually see if our number had been pulled and the order that they would be called in for an interview. It worked out good!
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Post by marcus on Jun 18, 2011 16:02:49 GMT -5
When will these people get called?Great job
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Jun 19, 2011 14:13:05 GMT -5
My sister-in-law got called today.
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Post by Jr on Jun 19, 2011 18:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jun 19, 2011 18:53:53 GMT -5
Guess you have a point Jr...but they get away with it by calling them long term supplemental...basically saying they don't need permanent people.
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Post by Jr on Jun 19, 2011 19:18:30 GMT -5
Long Term Supplemental Or What ever.. The Union should Never allow this!!!!!!!!!
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Post by inspect96 on Jun 19, 2011 22:17:53 GMT -5
The 100 or so people from lap that you speak of.....didn't they want to be laid off? They could have came to ktp or go to the windy city. They decided not to work..and now your mad because the company wants to hire people that would like a job. Wow
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Post by Jr on Jun 19, 2011 23:31:12 GMT -5
The 100 or so people from lap that you speak of.....didn't they want to be laid off? They could have came to ktp or go to the windy city. They decided not to work..and now your mad because the company wants to hire people that would like a job. Wow Uhhh No they didn't make the Cut to go to Ktp! And they Should have the option to work in Region before any are hired. Chicago was If I'm not wrong was out of region and posted as a Temp job up there.
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Post by dave on Jun 20, 2011 3:39:30 GMT -5
Yes JR Chicago is out of region, but was posted as a full time position. They had two ways to transfer up here. One was a fresher with operation. Second was tranfer with RTBU rights. Everones situation is different and maybe they couldn't make the temporary move up here.
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Post by Shrek on Jun 20, 2011 13:49:32 GMT -5
Kess , I heard from a a committeeman that these TPT's would not be coming in to work untill people started to go back to LAP. is this correct?
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Jun 20, 2011 15:07:35 GMT -5
Question for Kessinger. I didnt pay attention to the re-hire language for people taking the buyout, because I wasnt about to take it. My question, will Ford re-hire people that took the buyout? Ive heard that people that worked as TPT's the last time are on preferred status. Is that true?
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Post by kuka on Jun 20, 2011 15:25:27 GMT -5
This was asked at the last union meeting. The response was that shortly after the ktpers and capers go back those ILO's will be going back. Therefore they were not given a chance.
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Post by ackspac on Jun 20, 2011 21:16:22 GMT -5
The 100 or so people from lap that you speak of.....didn't they want to be laid off? They could have came to ktp or go to the windy city. They decided not to work..and now your mad because the company wants to hire people that would like a job. Wow I didnt want to be laid off nor did I want to go to Chicago, because I have two young children and moving to Chicago wouldnt of been worth the move. I was 7 away from making it to KTP on the transfer list. I would like a job but Im not moving out of state to have one. Luckily I found a decent job, here in Louisville, till I get called back to LAP.
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Post by kessinger on Jun 22, 2011 22:24:50 GMT -5
Jr., These people wont be coming in til people are going back to LAP. I would assume you guys would be back or close to it, since they will be taking people from us to there. But, I can't answer that so you have to talk to LAP bargainers. Basicly you will be coming in about the same time. I know you have frustration with the union but there is no way we could talk them into bringing you here to train for a week to release the LAP senior people then 2 or 3 weeks later you train LTS's to replace you so you can goto LAP. Despite your frustration I am sure you can see that.
This plant has been struggling like hell to run because we won't let them hire TPT's while you guys are on the street. So, though you think we do nothing for you. KTP workers have had to bend over backwards to run on Fridays and Mondays in order to support our decision to stand with you and for that I thank them for it.
As to the buyouts, only the education buyouts have a chance to rehire. The other buyouts basicly were an agreement to break all ties with Ford. No the TPTs arent "prefered hires" so to speak but they only have to take the drug test since they have already proven they can do the work.
beenaround, I agree with you that things have always been lopsided. And I don't want to make you think this was the perfect way to do it or that some monkey business didn't work its way in there. But, Scott did try to make it better and put a method to the madness. We reserve the right to go back monkey business in the future lol.
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Post by Jr on Jun 22, 2011 23:13:39 GMT -5
Kess I'm actually sitting at home making the easy Money ;D ;D what I'm p.o.ed about is the 100 or so Like ackspac that has lost all their benefits and been on the street for one reason or another for over a year now . They should be back in the system before even 1 TPT is hired no matter if their going to LAP or Ktp.
And No I can't see EVEN 1 person being called in off the STREET as long as we have Brothers and Sisters in the union out on ILO!!!!!!
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Post by ktp399 on Jun 23, 2011 3:12:51 GMT -5
Kess-If I'm reading your reply correct. The TPT'S that they are calling for testing this weekend will not be in the plant until the Lap people are ready to go back? This will be in the Oct-Nov time frame?
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