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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 26, 2011 12:45:36 GMT -5
I hope many of you grow some over the weekend and speak your mind to the visitors. They want to know what you need to pass this contract. Would someone please bring the visitors to pole S/S 9 in stamping so I can ask Mr. Settles why our contract isn't good enough to share with us. Why is it ok for us to be told to give while they received a 14% raise over the last 4 yrs. I don't expect to see them in stamping; so would someone please ask them about not sharing a contract with us?
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Post by kessinger on Jul 26, 2011 13:38:01 GMT -5
Scott is right. Let them know your concerns and issues, and don't sugar coat anything.
This is the first time a VP of the UAW has come to talk to people on the floor since I have been involved in the union. So take advantage of the opportunity. But, show him some repect for showing up to face the fire. I am sure everyone will.
To address your question Scott, I was just told that isn't true, but i had always heard that also, so I will dig more and try to find out the correct answer. Or I will ask him that one for you.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 26, 2011 14:06:41 GMT -5
I found the details of their agreement online a few years back...but I haven't been able to locate it now. I remember reading how they definitely did not share a contract with us...the article was clearly about how we gave up things, but they did not.
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Post by beenaround on Jul 26, 2011 15:46:54 GMT -5
I hope many of you grow some over the weekend and speak your mind to the visitors. They want to know what you need to pass this contract. Would someone please bring the visitors to pole S/S 9 in stamping so I can ask Mr. Settles why our contract isn't good enough to share with us. Why is it ok for us to be told to give while they received a 14% raise over the last 4 yrs. I don't expect to see them in stamping; so would someone please ask them about not sharing a contract with us? Thats the question everyone should ask first. Do you feel comfortable receiving raises and COLA all those years while we were asked to sacrifice ours?
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Post by Jr on Jul 26, 2011 16:33:20 GMT -5
They should settle the Equality of sacrifice grievance before they even bring us a Contract. Do what BOB KING said. Hold him to his words.
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Post by caprudedawg on Jul 26, 2011 17:47:36 GMT -5
Thanks Jr, I was thinking the same thing and would like to hear what kind of bullshit answer they can come with. It's hard to respect someone who can come to us with concessions and then vote themselves a raise.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Jul 26, 2011 17:48:34 GMT -5
Order of buisness: 1. FIX THE F*****G toilet seats. 2. Settle the grievance 3. Negotiate the contract. I will accept no less..........
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Post by trinitus on Jul 26, 2011 22:35:21 GMT -5
Since he more than likely will not get past chassis or even U-trim, since those two area's are closer to the union office and the outside. Let him come talk to people on night shift, he will already be here.
Kessinger, as far as I am concerned I will show him all the respect he deserve's for showing up here. The problem is I won't see him at all. So since I won't see him you can ask these things for me.
1. Why isn't the Equity of Sacrifice not settled yet?
2. I would like to see some concessions back in the contract, I am tired of going backwards. The cost of Food, clothing gas is going up everyday and I like so many people in here are having trouble trying to save money and pay bills.
3. Bring back Cola, our Christmas bonus, and some sort of a pay raise. That profit sharing thing as far as I am concerned is a bad deal. We have felt like they hold all the answer's to the profit sharing and we should have gotten more. I feel like they held out on some number's with us.
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Post by TonyV on Jul 26, 2011 22:49:19 GMT -5
I would start with NO concessions in pay or benefits at all. Then:
1) Bring back COLA
2) bring back Christmas bonus
3) have some sort of raise(Not payment in lieu)
We have given in the 2007 agreement. We opened the contract up and modified it causing LAP to lose a shift and slice through the levels of the hourly locally since. Then watched management get everything back with crazy bonuses dished out like there is no tomorrow.
I would have thought that the last vote(On yet another modification) sent a message of what the membership would accept in the future. Apparently the IUAW does not understand the frustration of its Ford members.
We will show them with our vote if nothing else...................
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Post by brenteskridge on Jul 27, 2011 0:24:08 GMT -5
trinitus....The VP will be here on Monday night from what we were told, so you may get to see him or one of the reps that he brings down with him.
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Post by Tesla on Jul 27, 2011 2:46:04 GMT -5
I hope many of you grow some over the weekend and speak your mind to the visitors. They want to know what you need to pass this contract. Would someone please bring the visitors to pole S/S 9 in stamping so I can ask Mr. Settles why our contract isn't good enough to share with us. Why is it ok for us to be told to give while they received a 14% raise over the last 4 yrs. I don't expect to see them in stamping; so would someone please ask them about not sharing a contract with us? Thats the question everyone should ask first. Do you feel comfortable receiving raises and COLA all those years while we were asked to sacrifice ours? Why should the IUAW's pay/benefits be tied to ours at Ford, or even the Big 3? The UAW consists of thousands of people in hundreds of businesses. United Agriculture, Automotive, and Aerospace Workers of America. Hundreds of contracts are negotiated through our Union; many hours are spent organizing, lobbying, and politicizing. It's no wonder Union membership is down, members don't understand who their fellow members are, know what they produce, or buy their products. Land of Lakes butter anyone? Lockheed Martin Fighter jets? Musical instruments? John Deere tractors? Casino workers? Screen Writers?
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 27, 2011 6:32:07 GMT -5
Great point JJohn, it's been pointed out on this Forum several times. The UAW has about 400,000 members, of which only 40,000 are Ford workers. A good Union exists for the good of all it's members.
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Post by thintwowin on Jul 27, 2011 6:45:45 GMT -5
Someone give him this message board web address . Make a new thread for him, so everyone can voice there concerns for him to see. Just a thought
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Post by Jr on Jul 27, 2011 7:20:01 GMT -5
Someone give him this message board web address . Make a new thread for him, so everyone can voice there concerns for him to see. Just a thought I Like this Idea. There You Go BRENT you can make this Happen!!
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Post by bo862 on Jul 27, 2011 7:24:27 GMT -5
They should be tied to us because they convinced us to give up concessions after opening the contract twice, and tried to rush a vote through before a quarterly profit report was announced on a third opening of the contract. Members really feel blindsided by an organization that we pay to represent us at the negotiating table with our employer. The actions of the IUAW in the past few years appear that they are more concerned with using deception or strong arm tactics (plant closures, product placement sound familiar?) to convince us to vote for whatever they want to take away from us. The least they could have done was reduce our dues by 3% each year that we do not receive raises and freeze raises as part of an equity of sacrifice. Most customers (union members in this case) would find a new company to do business with after a betrayal like this.
I understand what you are saying that they represent more than just us; also they are in a totally different line of work and cannot work on an hourly basis. But that does not excuse them from fairly representing 40,000 and their needs.
As for a vote from me 1. require the grievance settled outside of the contract 2. pay raises every year (start with 6% the first year 3 % after that) 3. revert to the previous profit sharing language 4. 6 minute break per hour 5. No concessions
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 27, 2011 10:13:23 GMT -5
...and bo862 gets it.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 27, 2011 10:17:20 GMT -5
The funniest part to me...all they have to do is leave everything as is...give us COLA back (starting at $1.50 or more)...take profit sharing formula back to the early 90s...give 1.5% raise every year of the four year deal after an initial 3%. That's how little they would have to give to get a yes vote. I don't expect a 14% raise over the 4 years, but if our hourly wage is not increasing annually over the length of the contract, then it will NEVER pass. Hell, they could give us a 1.5% raise all four years for a 6% total over the life...and it would PASS. As long as people see a RAISE each year, it will pass. But if they only give 6% over the life, then the signing bonus better be at least $7500.
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Post by ktpsparky on Jul 27, 2011 11:44:28 GMT -5
yeh, but then they won't be able to "afford" to pay Mulally $81,000,000 next year...
ROFLMAO
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Post by bill on Jul 27, 2011 12:23:41 GMT -5
I totally agree with Scott!!!! That's my exact feeling on the matter!
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Post by marcus on Jul 27, 2011 13:06:23 GMT -5
Great posts guys.
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Post by elmer on Jul 28, 2011 0:52:35 GMT -5
If I get the chance I want to remind them that Ford didn't take a Bailout, but Ford wants all the benefits of filing bankruptcy without the other conditions like Ford Family's losing control and Allen boys $90,000,000 salary being in-line with other Bankrupt auto-makers.
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Post by bo862 on Jul 28, 2011 2:16:27 GMT -5
6. No whipsawing. Do not use product placement, shifts, plant closures, level of seniority, retirement or anything else to divide the membership. We are all the same union, treat us like it.
Can't believe I forgot that one.
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Post by kuka on Jul 28, 2011 2:48:06 GMT -5
I agree with everyone, and by the way great posts. After reading the post by TonyV. about Chrysler, I believe that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are all going to be going after the benefits. I would like to add to what everyone has already said that our benefits remain unchanged.
If we get any kind of raise, outside of a signing bonus I will be surprised. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 28, 2011 14:09:27 GMT -5
Here's to hoping you get surprised.
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Post by Ktp1989 on Jul 28, 2011 15:34:32 GMT -5
I agree with everyone, and by the way great posts. After reading the post by TonyV. about Chrysler, I believe that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are all going to be going after the benefits. I would like to add to what everyone has already said that our benefits remain unchanged. If we get any kind of raise, outside of a signing bonus I will be surprised. Just my 2 cents. probably what the plan is....now it's just time to send it back up north with the "NO" vote.
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Post by caprudedawg on Jul 28, 2011 17:50:18 GMT -5
Please let us know what you ask our friends from IUAW and post their answers. You guys are on the front line for this one and it would be greatly appreciated if you shared that intel. Thanks in advance.
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Post by thintwowin on Jul 28, 2011 18:03:17 GMT -5
Unless they swallow it, lick the nads and talk dirty to me all at the same time. I am a NOOOOO vote period! Anyone with a brain can see this was a setup deal. Hell even Bill Ford himself said so on cnbc special on Ford. The IUAW should get that book out, about the history on the union, they pass out to each of us when we our hired and read. They should be ashamed! Sadly they are gonna ask for more this round. Shame( I know we voted it in) IUAW are in survival mode only, the don't want to fight. Let's agree to disagree, f@&" that! I look for $1000 deductible for Heath insurance this round. I also think they will sneak in the last modifications we vote down, to make it fair for ford.
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Post by 30yearpace on Jul 28, 2011 21:42:31 GMT -5
1. settle grievence 1st 2. 1 dollar raise the 1st and 3rd year of the contract. total of 2 dollars. 3. lump sum raise 2nd and 4th year of contract. 4. No changes to health care. Health care is only going to get worse for companys ...sooo no change is a PLUS for us! 5. Christmas bonus back
Locally:
1. Ball growing machine to be installed in the union office 2. Fix the fucking heat problem in the plant because bigfoot has Turned in to a STUMP. 3. If the ball growing machine gets installed the harresment and intimidation should slowly stop.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Jul 29, 2011 7:54:22 GMT -5
amen to the last 3 posts...
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Post by kessinger on Jul 29, 2011 10:02:03 GMT -5
Trinitus I will be asking those exact things.
I don't like to use the word never, but I can't imagine any contract would be good enough for me to support it unless it included raises. At this point it is even more about the principle and respect than the pay for me personaly.
They could have sold the profit sharing thing they wanted a few years ago, but after them trying to screw us on it last time who would even trust that type of solution unless it included hard pay raises and cola. (what a truely stupid business decision to fight profit sharing if they realy wanted this "enhanced" profit sharing thing)
Cola or raises or both are going to have to come back or they have NO prayer of getting a contract passed. IMO
But we have all seen a fat signing bonus get everyone lined up for a contract.
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