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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Aug 8, 2011 16:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by oldsbdcjim on Aug 8, 2011 16:49:33 GMT -5
How's that for hope and change. There goes my TESPHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bo862 on Aug 8, 2011 22:05:57 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The tea party tries to push us into a default and people really believe obama is at fault.
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Post by intheloop on Aug 8, 2011 22:35:52 GMT -5
why yes we will just blame the tea party, yea that's it the tea party.
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Post by bo862 on Aug 8, 2011 23:29:50 GMT -5
Are you suggesting the tea party did not push republicans to refuse ending the bush era cuts or increase the governments income in any way? According to the s&p we were down graded because they did not increase the income or reduce the spending enough.
In what way is the tea party not partially responsible?
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Post by Dr. Death on Aug 9, 2011 2:57:42 GMT -5
Lets all just face the Truth....All Politicians are to blame. Be it up in Washington, your own State, or in our own Union. They are all Con-Artists!
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Post by ktpelec on Aug 9, 2011 5:59:03 GMT -5
In every poll conducted the majority of Americans said taxes must be raised on the wealthiest, yet the Tea Party senators refused this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 7:16:58 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The tea party tries to push us into a default and people really believe obama is at fault. WTF?  ?? Really? WoW! You been listening to David (Nimrod) Axelrod too much. The Libtards jumped on his statement Sunday morning when he went on TV to switch blame from hussein obama. This guy looks like a 21'st Century Adolph Hitler. Yea, I blame David Hasselhoff for our economic colapse. After all, the Pontiac Firebird sales went to shit when Night Rider went off the air. |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Aug 9, 2011 9:31:12 GMT -5
The buck stops where...?
Everyone new downgrade was coming...years before tea parties were formed...... so please, lets not be ignorant.......the democrats are looking at someone to demonize for 2012......but look on the bright side, if these retards democrats strategy does not stick......well they always can bring out the race card.....which in my opinion, its coming for 2012....
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Post by wplap on Aug 9, 2011 10:03:15 GMT -5
Could everyone just shut the fuck up and look at the big picture for a second? Can't you see that it is not the Parties involved, but instead, the system which hosts this depraved King-Hell Party? Whomever is in office, we blame them, we just keep taking turns casting stones and defending our own party -who will eventually- as we see it - fuck things up when it is their turn. I think it is plain to see that regardless of which party is in power- nothing changes. Capitalism has been around to the point where all the loopholes and flaws are easily found and known by those in the system who wish to exploit it... and they do so. Don't think for one second that the DOW dropping so many points is not going to make billions of dollars for those in that inner circle.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride" ~HST
The handlers of this roller coaster just keep sending us around and around till we're all puking in our laps and start jumping overboard, but eventually this ride must end. It will end.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Aug 9, 2011 10:15:27 GMT -5
Heeee'sss ALIVE!
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Post by intheloop on Aug 9, 2011 10:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 11:34:51 GMT -5
If we could find a leader to tell china to "go f**k themselves" and send the illegals back to where ever they came from, control and tame NAFTA, then we can start pulling ourselves back up and out of debt.
Yep, both parties suck!
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Post by oldsbdcjim on Aug 9, 2011 12:40:16 GMT -5
I think there are to many people getting all their news from the main stream media. Its inane to think the tea party had anything to do with the current mess. If you want to increase tax revenue
how about taxing the 48% of the people who pay no federal taxes. Every time the Democrats want a tax increase they use the same old tired phrase, tax the rich. For God's sake we live in the United States not Russia.
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Post by ktpelec on Aug 9, 2011 13:44:25 GMT -5
Where exactly do you want the common American to get their news other than the main stream media? I would suggest they use more than one particular source, to try and get a non-biased opinion.
The tax laws do need a major overhaul, but there is strong political lobbying that always influences the decisions Congress makes.
The Repubs always use the same old tired line, "We can't tax the job creators". What a bunch of BS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2011 14:24:53 GMT -5
The Repubs always use the same old tired line, "We can't tax the job creators". What a bunch of BS. I agree. But, if you were the owner of business here in the US and Uncle Sam threatened you with a tax increase, but yet you could move your business to china with no taxes and cheaper labor costs, what would you do? The only fix to your statement is to tax the foreign imports to where they will be competitive with US made products. But no one in congress has the balls to do this. |
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Post by bo862 on Aug 9, 2011 14:47:55 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The tea party tries to push us into a default and people really believe obama is at fault. WTF? ?? Really? WoW! You been listening to David (Nimrod) Axelrod too much. The Libtards jumped on his statement Sunday morning when he went on TV to switch blame from hussein obama. This guy looks like a 21'st Century Adolph Hitler. Yea, I blame David Hasselhoff for our economic colapse. After all, the Pontiac Firebird sales went to shit when Night Rider went off the air. The tea party demanded the republicans resist any kind of change in taxes. The republicans fearing losing the next election held out until Obama agreed to 100% of what they wanted. The tea partiers demanding that this world be structured in their view at any costs is the biggest factor in pushing us to a downgrade. As jobs pointed out they knew a downgrade was possible and instead of creating a workable agreement decided their ideology was more important than the well-being of Americans. Your Terrorize Every American party has the same mentality as the Nazis of “this world will be structured in my view at any cost.” If they were innocent, this question could be reasonably answered. In what way is the tea party not partially responsible? |
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Post by bo862 on Aug 9, 2011 14:52:23 GMT -5
Of course wp is dead on. They will keep us bickering amongst ourselves while they continue screwing us. The structure of our political system is the biggest underlying problem. If we could fix that, this conversation would probably not be going on.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Aug 9, 2011 15:47:47 GMT -5
Dear Democrats Liberals Retards,
On behalf of the Tea Party movement, please allow me to apologize. We had no idea.
Who knew that spending two years lobbying against more debt and more spending would cause a credit downgrade? It never occurred to us that opposing massive new entitlement programs like Obamacare would make us responsible for the tidal wave of future debt that brought down our AAA credit rating.
If only we’d gone to Harvard.
See, when we citizen simpletons waved signs like “You Can’t Spend Your Way Out Of Debt,” and “Stop Stealing From Our Kids,” we thought we were helping. It probably sounds crazy to you, but we figured the best way to avoid a debt crisis was to — gee, it seems so silly now — not to borrow all that money in the first place.
If somebody was waving “Spend More And Don’t Sweat It!” signs at our Tea Party events, I never saw it....
President Barack Obama wanted to spend $1 trillion in borrowed money on the stimulus, and we opposed it. Then he wanted to add trillions in new health care entitlements and we opposed it. Then he wanted a “clean bill” on the debt ceiling — authority for another $2.4 trillion in debt with zero in spending cuts — and we opposed that, too.
So obviously the downgrade is all the Tea Party’s fault. Because, um, well, you see . . .
Oh, now I remember! It’s our fault because we wouldn’t agree to Obama’s proposal to . . . uh, what exactly was it Obama proposed?
I know he had a budget proposal a few months ago that added $1 trillion in new debt each year for another decade (sorry, we opposed that, too), a budget that the U.S. Senate voted down 97-0.
And I know the president has talked about more deficit spending on high-speed rail and student loans — which, alas, the Tea Party movement also opposes.
And then yesterday in his first debt-downgrade speech, the president mentioned he wants still more billions in new deficit spending on an infrastructure bank and the like.
So clearly Obama is very serious about solving our deficit spending problem.
And he’s got a great solution, too — raising taxes! Because when you raise taxes in a recession on an economy that’s already on life support, it helps by . . .
Damn! Lost it again. That Harvard math is tricky.
So when Standard & Poor’s head of sovereign debt said our AAA rating was downgraded because “the underlying debt burden on the U.S. is rising and will continue to rise over the next decade,” he must have had the Tea Party in mind.
And we were completely surprised by Obama’s announcement that “It doesn’t matter what a ratings agency says, we’ll always be a AAA country.”
See what I mean? We thought these debt ratings and GDP ratios actually meant something. Now we know that, as long as we’re “AAA” in Obama’s book, everything’s gonna be swell.
Just ask the fellas at the stock market.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2011 7:27:46 GMT -5
Accuses GOP of 'racism, lies, economic sabotage' Posted: August 03, 2011 9:37 pm Eastern By Aaron Klein © 2011 WND Barack Obama at a presidential debate at Hofstra University in New York. It may be early in the campaign season, but the Communist Party USA already has seen fit to endorse Barack Obama for the 2012 election. While noting he is disappointed with "some aspects" of the Obama administration's domestic and foreign policy, Sam Webb, chairman of the Communist Party USA, threw his support behind Obama's re-election bid. In an article last week at People's Weekly World, the official newspaper of the Communist Party USA, Webb discussed the need for a third party consisting of the so-called working class and labor as well as "racially and nationally oppressed people, women, youth, immigrants, seniors, gay and straight." Get "The Manchurian President" AUTOGRAPHED only at WND's Superstore! Webb, however, recognized that such a party is not likely to emerge by next year. "Millions who have to be at the core of this party still operate under the umbrella of the Democratic Party, albeit increasingly in an independent fashion," he noted. Webb said that for communists there are major differences between Democrats and Republicans. He urged his supported to continue to back the Democrats. Wrote Webb: "Neither party is anti-capitalist, but they aren't identical either. Differences exist at the levels of policy and social composition. And despite the many frustrations of the past two years, the election of Barack Obama was historic and gave space to struggle for a people's agenda." He argued that to separate from the Democrats now "would be contrary to our strategic policy of building maximum unity against right-wing extremism now and in next year's elections." Continued Webb: "We are keenly aware of the fact that the agenda of the far right is to bring this administration and country to its knees, with a heavy dose of racism, lies and economic sabotage, setting the stage for a full blown return to power of the most reactionary, racist, anti-labor, anti-women, homophobic and militarist grouping in U.S. politics." "We want no part of that," wrote Webb. "We don't have any illusions about the Democratic Party, but we don't have any illusions about the Republican Party either." Webb concluded: "Furthermore, we are also aware of the undeniable fact that no other party besides the Democratic Party stands a chance of beating the GOP next year." Communist party covers up support for Obama Last November, the Communist Party USA was caught scrubbing its website of references that stated it "actively supported" President Obama's election, as WND reported. An article posted on the party's official website on Dec. 30, 2007, previously stated, "Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election." The article was referring to Obama's 2004 election to the Senate. It detailed how the African-American community and trade unionists played key roles in defeating the "ultra right." Screen shot of original article "This was also reflected in the historic election of Barack Obama. Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election," stated the article, a screen shot of which was captured by the New Zeal blog. The website has since been scrubbed of the reference to the Community Party USA aiding Obama, with the article now reading simply, "This was reflected in the historic election of Barack Obama." WND previously reported the official magazine of the Communist Party USA had lauded the important role of labor unions in electing Obama to the presidency in 2008. The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations, or AFL-CIO, sponsored a poll showing union members supported Obama by a 68-30 margin and strongly influenced their family members. According to the survey, Obama won among white men who are union members by 18 points. Union gun-owners backed Obama by 12 points, while union veterans voted for Obama by a 25-point margin. In the general population, Obama lost these groups by significant margins. Political Affairs, the Community Party USA's magazine, quoted AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, a longtime member of the Boston chapter of the Democrat Socialists for America, expressing hope labor unions can continue working with Obama. "The election is just step one in delivering the change we need," Sweeney said. "Working men and women are poised to keep the energy pumping to help the Obama administration lead the change we need. There will be no gap or letdown." The communist magazine said priorities for labor unions are "regulating Wall Street and restoring fairness to international trade," as well as "health-care reform" to provide coverage to "nearly 50 million people without insurance and make medical care affordable for all." Communists map out Obama agenda Immediately following the November 2008 presidential election, WND reported the Communist Party USA mapped out policies crucial for Obama to push through in his first term, including a "single payer" socialist health-care system; laws to make joining a labor union easier; raising the minimum wage and increasing labor union support. In May 2009, WND reported the leader of the Communist Party USA declared that with Obama as president, health care and the economy can be "reformed," U.S. troops can be evacuated from the Middle East, a second stimulus bill can be passed, the criminal justice system can be overhauled and union rights can be expanded. "All these – and many other things – are within our reach now!" exclaimed Webb in a New York banquet speech for the People's Weekly World, the official newspaper of the Communist Party USA. Read more: Yikes! Look who just endorsed Obama for 4 more years www.wnd.com/?pageId=329449#ixzz1U4ev2MAJ |
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Post by ktpelec on Aug 10, 2011 10:30:16 GMT -5
Wow, lots of cutting and pasting there.
Many members of both parties are to blame for not wanting to compromise, even though the majority of the American public asked them to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 15:23:53 GMT -5
This guy tells it like it is:
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Post by marcus on Aug 11, 2011 16:18:29 GMT -5
How many members do the tea party have in office? How many Rs and how many Ds? HBO has had total control for what 2.5 years.Dont blame anybody but who is in power.
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Post by marcus on Aug 11, 2011 16:19:44 GMT -5
analspasm
You rock! Great posts.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Aug 11, 2011 16:29:28 GMT -5
Not sure where to begin.
---The Dow has gained back most, if not all of what it lost, yet no follow up post on the gains?
---"Don't blame anybody but who is in power" Suggests that the GOP controlled House, and minority ruled Senate (fillibuster) are to blame, doesn't it?
---S & P's PRIMARY reason for the downgrade was they cannot see a scenario where revenue will be increased, given the political climate..........EVEN IF IT NEEDS TO BE.
---A little basic macro-economic lernin' would do us all some good, less bomb throwing, more data/fact based discussion.
---Nobody here is to blame if the markets turn because French banks are overexposed to Greek debt........There is real fear that the small nation crisis in euro zone could move or is moving to bigger nations. Italy and Spain have everybody quaking in thier boots. The whole thing in Europe could fall apart, and then your talking about a MASSIVE credit and liquidity cluster-fuck. That will rape international credit markets, and most economists believe that Monday was a response to that.........
And lastly, MORE THAN A FEW former Reaganites have been on TV and in the paper the last few months shaking their head at the Tea Party and the policies they espouse. Some have been on more than once talking about what a bunch of neo-phyte nincompoops they are turning out to be. THAT is how far gone today's GOP has become. I didn't often agree with Republicans in the 80's but they were smart and capable, and often the adults in the room when it came to policy. Now men like Richard Lugar are going to be primaried, the GOP nominated O'Donnell and loses a surefire Senate gain, and former Reagainites are BLASTING the nutso-factor..........Seriously people, one party is proving itself to be incompetent, and the other has just plain lost its freakin' mind.
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Post by marcus on Aug 11, 2011 16:53:21 GMT -5
What does the tea party say they you dont agree with?
Obama had total control of all three branches of the gov for 2.5 years.The problem is spending way more than we make.Thats the problem not the tea party.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Aug 11, 2011 20:43:14 GMT -5
Look man, I'm not defending or condeming the President one way or the other. I'm just trying to inject some rationality into what is becoming an increasingly irrational argument. ---Obama has NOT had complete control of the govt for 2.5 years. With the Senate essentially a minority controlled house because of the fillibuster, and the GOP control of the House since 2010, there just hasn't been much of an Obama agenda in the Congress. ---The economic mess we're in has been coming for over 30 years. Need I remind you that the MAJORITY of U.S. debt occured under GOP presidents. ---The Paul Ryan budget, and many other tea party economic proposals are waaaaaaaaaaay off base, and even openly mocked by conservative economists. Slashing spending dramatically in the short term will DROP aggregate demand and growth, not increase it, even in the long term. EVERYONE agrees that we need between $2-3 trillion in infrastructure spending in this nation to fix everything that's falling apart, and that would boost agregate demand a good deal, yet all we hear about are cuts. --- NO serious, objective analysis of the our budget situation doesn't recognize that taxes are going to have to go up. Even someone like Alan Simpson believes in raising revenue.....even if you call it tax reform...... ---The largest parts of the federal budget are set to grow, and keep growing for years. And there is NO political will for making deep cuts in SS and Medicare. The Tea Party will try it, and will pay a heavy political price for it. Servicing the existing debt, defense expenditures and SS and Medicare are just going to go up as boomers retire and we keep a MASSIVE military force overseas. You want to see an epic intra-party battle? Watch the GOP debate deep military cuts....... ---When tea partiers claim that we pay such high taxes, highest corporate taxes in the world etc. etc...........and that is what is killing the economy they are ignoring reality. Virtually all northern European nations have higher effective tax rates on individuals and corporations, and yet have better economies. Germany is the best example. Of course they are net exporters, and we are MASSIVE importers, but don't expect the Tea Party to address the trade deficit, that would be bad for thier corporate masters and backers. Look at the current ecomonic situation in this country like the old poker table adage. Our economy is like a huge poker tourney, and all the chips are moving to the final table. Problem is, now more and more players don't have any chips, which means they leave the game. Tea Party economic policies don't address this, they actually make it worse. Chips need to keep moving constantly for a vibrant economy, not concentrating in front of Phil Ivey. Consider that Bachmann and the Tea Party openly wanted default, well most of them did. They cheered the prospect. Now listen to Ronald Reagan: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/22/barack-obama/ronald-reagan-talks-about-debt-ceiling/ |
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Post by marcus on Aug 11, 2011 22:24:58 GMT -5
My bad 2 years not 2.5 years
driveshaftgrunt you say European nations have higher effective tax rates on individuals and corporations, and yet have better economies.
What european country has a bigger economy than we do?What european country has a bigger GDP than we do?
We also do PAY TO MUCH IN TAX I bet we pay close to 45 percent of our income in tax, be that payroll,fed,state,local,gas,school,property,car tags,building fees,cell phone tax,sat tax,gas and electric tax,water tax,and on and on.WE PAY TO MUCH.
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Post by marcus on Aug 11, 2011 22:26:34 GMT -5
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
•Corporate Income Tax
•Court Fines (indirect taxes)
•Deficit spending
•Dog License Tax
•Federal Income Tax
•Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
•Fishing License Tax
•Food License Tax
•Fuel permit tax
•Gasoline Tax
•Hunting License Tax
•Inflation
•Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
•Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
•IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
•Liquor Tax
•Local Income Tax
•Luxury Taxes
•Marriage License Tax
•Medicare Tax
•Property Tax
•Real Estate Tax
•Septic Permit Tax
•Service Charge Taxes
•Social Security Tax
•Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
•Sales Taxes
•Recreational Vehicle Tax
•Road Toll Booth Taxes
•School Tax
•State Income Tax
•State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
•Telephone federal excise tax
•Telephone federal universal service fee tax
•Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
•Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
•Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
•Telephone state and local tax
•Telephone usage charge tax
•Toll Bridge Taxes
•Toll Tunnel Taxes
•Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
•Trailer Registration Tax
•Utility Taxes
•Vehicle License Registration Tax
•Vehicle Sales Tax
•Watercraft Registration Tax
•Well Permit Tax
•Workers Compensation Tax
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Post by marcus on Aug 11, 2011 22:29:46 GMT -5
I say enough and lets cut everything 10 percent across the board from the military to everything else!The more we go into debt the less our dollar will buy.
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