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Post by rollvikes on Sept 6, 2011 19:41:04 GMT -5
After the Labor Day speech that Jimmy Hoffa Jr. gave in Detroit, I am asshamed to call myself a union member. If that is what unions in this country want (war against fellow Americans) then we might as well call it quits. Our International President in the UAW had a chance to distance himself and our union from such remarks and he laughed at the opportunity on CNN. We need leaders in all unions to think before they open their mouths and make us all look bad. To me, union leadership is no better than the politicians (on both sides of the isle) that they seem to hate. Mr. Hoffa needs to remember that such remarks only make him look like a thug. Also, Mr. Hoffa needs to remember that republicans weren't the ones that put his father in prison, the Kennedys and the democrats had that honor. Richard Nixon had him released from his prison term early. What happened to the call for peace from President Obama when he gave his speech when the reprentative from Arizona was shot. This kind of politics will only get more people hurt. I'm sure that I'll be called many things by saying this, but I have broad shoulders and I can take it without calling fellow Americans terrorists, racists, or a bunch of Son-of-a-bitches.
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Post by JoePieper on Sept 6, 2011 23:59:19 GMT -5
Amen brother. Well said.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Sept 7, 2011 6:47:37 GMT -5
ditto!
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Post by axleman on Sept 7, 2011 16:12:51 GMT -5
Very well said!
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Post by marcus on Sept 8, 2011 15:41:53 GMT -5
The news media left out part of what hoffa said to make it look like he said something else.Is this what you guys are talking about.Taking someone out.
News aired a doctored version of Teamsters president James Hoffa's Labor Day speech, the media pointed to the clearly edited video to accuse Hoffa of encouraging violence against conservatives. In fact, unaltered video -- video aired by Fox hours after the clearly edited version had been heavily promoted throughout the conservative media -- shows that Hoffa was encouraging the crowd to vote against Republicans in the 2012 election.
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Post by ktpelec on Sept 8, 2011 19:24:30 GMT -5
Great point Marcus. The media is sooo very biased, it all depends on what channel you watch.
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Post by rollvikes on Sept 8, 2011 20:12:24 GMT -5
Thats right, he's a saint. I'm sorry.
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Post by marcus on Sept 8, 2011 22:50:56 GMT -5
When did I say he was a saint? I might not agree with him on everything but I do like somethings about him.I even liked his Dad.
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Post by rollvikes on Sept 9, 2011 14:23:59 GMT -5
I heard the entire speech, not just the sounds bites the state controlled media put on the air waves. What kind of person do you think I am? I'm not your average brain dead idiot who just watches what they show on television. And if you like Hoffa, more power to ya. It's not my cup of tea. I'm not a supporter of the mafia and the thugs like the Hoffas who preach the word of socialism and cause harm to innocent Americans who might not agree with their methods. Again, if you like that kind of politics then you have every right as an American to follow the words of such "great" men. I choose to follow laws that were put in place by our founding fathers. Even if they were just white, slave owning guys with powdered wigs. I think that they knew what was best for America, not a group of people who just care about their own interest and not about the rest of the country. That is what is beautiful about our society, we can discuss such matters and not be singled out and imprisoned. Try this in the union halls and try this in socialistic countries. If the Hoffas had their way, no one would be allowed to be better than their fathers because its not in the social structure or in a union contract. The only ones who would be allowed to succeed are the elite of the unions and their own back pockets. And whom ever they allow to succeed. Again, if that is the type of America you want to live in, that is your right. But don't expect the majority of Americans to feel that way. Only unions and socialist. And the last time in noticed, there are more of us than you. Watch the elections in November of 2012, you'll see for yourself. I hope there are no hard feelings and I hope that I can chat with you again.
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Post by marcus on Sept 9, 2011 14:51:47 GMT -5
I dont think being union makes you a socialist.We vote for our leaders.There is more power in numbers.We have what we have today because of unions and thats a fact.You would not make middle class pay without the union at Ford.Toyota wouldnt make what they make with out the uaw.I know the uaw is not perfect but its been good to me and my family.
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Post by rollvikes on Sept 9, 2011 15:34:30 GMT -5
I'm fighting a losing battle. Unions are based on socialistic views and practices. Good luck to you and the next time you pay out 2 hours of pay a month just to be able to work at Ford, you can thank the UAW. That is called extortion. The same thing the mafia does to businesses that happen to be located in their turf. And remember this, he UAW doesn't sign your check. They only steal money for themselves and give it to the democrat party. Oh by the way, that is called "money laundrying". I think that is against the law too. But those laws were only written by the "man", just trying to keep the poor working man down.
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Post by fordworker95 on Sept 9, 2011 17:49:50 GMT -5
I'm fighting a losing battle. Unions are based on socialistic views and practices. Good luck to you and the next time you pay out 2 hours of pay a month just to be able to work at Ford, you can thank the UAW. That is called extortion. The same thing the mafia does to businesses that happen to be located in their turf. And remember this, he UAW doesn't sign your check. They only steal money for themselves and give it to the democrat party. Oh by the way, that is called "money laundrying". I think that is against the law too. But those laws were only written by the "man", just trying to keep the poor working man down. TROLL  |
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Post by ktpelec on Sept 9, 2011 19:07:11 GMT -5
Without labor unions this country would already be "Third World"
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Post by marcus on Sept 10, 2011 1:11:16 GMT -5
rollvikes
Do you work for Ford?I feel I do get very good value for my 2 hours a month.I know for a fact we have been better off with the uaw than without.Its not even a debate on that.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Sept 10, 2011 13:25:38 GMT -5
You get good value for your 2 hrs? You must be at LAP.
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Post by marcus on Sept 10, 2011 16:08:18 GMT -5
No im at KTP and yes I get good value.Id make half what I do it not for UAW.
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Post by rollvikes on Sept 12, 2011 13:26:05 GMT -5
When you argue with a ignorant person, you only make yourself look ignorant. Keep drinking the grape kool-aid, one of these days you'll wake up. Good luck.
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Post by marcus on Sept 12, 2011 15:43:59 GMT -5
You cant say somebody is ignorant and not back up anything with facts.So you are saying that we would make what we make today with out the uaw?
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Post by rollvikes on Sept 12, 2011 18:03:08 GMT -5
I'm saying that the unions and the government are run by a bunch of thugs and con men. If you want to sell your soul to the devil, by all means do so. But don't think that they are good people just because we make good money. And the facts or so you call them,are your opinion. Just as what I said is mine. Content of character means something in my book, not the size of my own wallet. If you like these sort of people then that tells me alot about your character. And it tells me what you are, now all we have to do is negotiate price.
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Post by marcus on Sept 12, 2011 19:50:07 GMT -5
rollvikes
Do you even work for Ford?Ive never said Hoffa was a good man.I also didnt say the government was not a bunch of thugs.You keep putting words in my mouth.
You got to let go of the hate man.Its a FACT we make what we make because of what the UAW has done.Like it or not that is a fact not something Ive made up.
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Post by rollvikes on Sept 13, 2011 7:26:33 GMT -5
You said that you liked Hoffa Sr. and Jr.. To me and most other people, if you like someone that means you think that they are a good person. Unless you are in the practice of admiring people of poor character. And yes, I do work at Ford. I've been there for 17 years so I think that I have earned the right to say what I think about the union. And it's not the only union job I've ever had. Also I have worked for the IBEW. Both are the same, they take money from the employees so that they can be employeed at the company that unions have infested. They both take care of the dead beats so that they can justify the union presents. They both take money without the memberships approval and give it to the democrat party. They both put politics ahead of their own membership. And people like me who never use them to get out of trouble because I work every day and do my job, they ignore me and walk past because I don't buy into their methods and tactics. So let them take care of the dead beats. If it wasn't for the people the unions represent(dead beats), I might look upon the union in a different way. Or maybe not, because they still get in bed with people like Hoffa, the mafia, and politicians on the deomocrat side of the aisle. I hope there are no hard feelings. Words mean things and so does the content of ones character. If you buy into the Hoffa way, then most people will question the content of your character.
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Post by marcus on Sept 13, 2011 9:00:23 GMT -5
Once agan read what I wrote I said I LIKE SOMETHINGS about him NOT ALL.
Do you think if we didnt have the union at the big three right now we would make what we do and have the benifits we do?
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Post by marcus on Sept 13, 2011 9:08:51 GMT -5
Thats great you never needed the union to help you with anything at all and maybe you never will.When Hoffa said lets take them out he didnt mean with guns or bats,He is saying do it by casting your Vote.They miss reported and left out parts of what he said so it would look bad.Im for the tea party but I dont like the media twisting things.
As for you content of your character thing,people are not perfect and would be hard to find somebody you cant say something bad about,I dont care if its MLK,JFC,lincoln and on and on they all had issues.
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Post by rollvikes on Sept 13, 2011 10:06:52 GMT -5
Glad to see that you are a tea party follower. It's been a pleasure chatting with you. I've enjoyed the give and take. Nothing personal. Sometimes I take the opposite side just to see what type of person I'm chatting or talking with. You sir are very knowledgable and very pleasant. Again, thanks for the give and take.
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