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Post by cal50 on Oct 3, 2012 22:59:05 GMT -5
Romney definitely knew his facts, was clear and articulate.
Obama stammered and searched for words.
What a contrast when the words must come from your own head over a teleprompter. Obama being touted as a master orator looked pretty weak by comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 16:35:51 GMT -5
Might as well of been the empty chair Clint Eastwood was addressing a few weeks ago.
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Post by rukus on Oct 9, 2012 3:59:54 GMT -5
Its real easy to spitfire words when they are just empty promises that the public wants to hear....Do yourself a favor and look up his company Bain... It baffles me how anybody, especially in our line of work, could vote for this guy when he made his Hundreds of Millions on buying out failing companys only to run them further into the ground all the while selling off anything of worth, taking benefits from the government meant to help these struggling companys and laying all the workers off in the process... Ok lets vote for a guy who is running on the platform of creating more jobs for the American people when he spent his whole career sending them to the UI line.... F@$king Morons
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Oct 9, 2012 12:45:13 GMT -5
Romney’s "Sterling Business Career"
"A man who's been governor and had a sterling
business career crosses the qualification threshold" -Bill Clinton
Tell those that work at:
Staples-Mitt Romney and Bain Capital invested in Staples as a startup to give it a chance to grow. Today it provides over 87,700 jobs.
In 1986, Staples opened its first store in Brighton, Massachusetts. Today, Staples operates more than 1,500 stores and 56 distribution centers across 49 states and the District of Columbia. In 2011, Staples had more than $25 billion in sales.
Staples founder Tom Stemberg recalls Mitt's role in the company: "Mitt didn't just invest in Staples when it was an idea -- he hung around .... He was the inspirational leader and while Staples may have existed without him, I doubt it would have been nearly as big or successful without him."
Steele Dynamics-When the steel industry was laying off workers and dozens of companies were going bankrupt, Mitt Romney and Bain Capital saw an opportunity for a new steel company, using new technology, to succeed. Today, Steel Dynamics employs more than 6,500 workers across the United States.
In 1994, Bain Capital helped make Steel Dynamics possible by joining with GE to provide critical venture capital funding in a costly and struggling industry. In less than 20 years, Steel Dynamics has become America's fifth-largest producer of carbon-steel products with $8 billion in revenues. It is one of just six major American steel companies.
From its initial base in Indiana, Steel Dynamics has grown to include plants in Roanoke, Virginia; Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania; and Huntington, West Virginia. Additional operations, including mining, recycling and steel fabrication centers, have created jobs across Georgia, Indiana, Michigan, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, Minnesota, Florida, Arkansas, and Nevada.
Alliance Laundry-Bain Capital acquired a Wisconsin-based laundry machine manufacturing business in 1998 when its prior owner sought to leave the industry completely. Facing a $77 million revenue loss and fears that the Ripon, Wisconsin, factory would incur massive layoffs, Bain Capital helped local management take steps necessary to strengthen their business and compete in a global marketplace.
With Bain Capital's help, Alliance Laundry weathered a dramatic market transition, added Wisconsin jobs, and has grown into one of the largest commercial laundry manufacturers in the world.
Bain & Co.-In 1990, Mitt Romney's former firm, Bain & Company, was in a dire situation. It was on the brink of collapse. The leaders of Bain & Co. asked Romney to come back to the firm to lead it out of the precipitous fall it was experiencing. His return to the company provided an instantaneous morale boost for the employees that recognized Romney's leadership capabilities and his strong record of turning around companies. He reined in spending, made executives more financially accountable, and put the focus back on customer service.
Bain & Co.'s turnaround was an incredible success: In just a year, a company on the brink had returned to profitability. Mitt Romney not only saved thousands of jobs, but also set the firm on a course to be one of the largest and most successful management consulting firms in the world. Today, Boston-based Bain & Co. has more than 5,000 employees - including 3,500 consultants - and is ranked #1 on multiple "best places to work" lists.
Brookstone-Before Mitt Romney and Bain Capital invested in New Hampshire-based Brookstone in 1991, news reports stated that the company was in "dire straits." During their investment, however, the company witnessed a dramatic turnaround.
During the Brookstone investment, the company opened more than 100 stores and added more than 740 jobs across the United States. Brookstone's revenues nearly tripled from $95 million to $270 million.
Today, Brookstone is one of New Hampshire's largest corporations, and the growth that began during Bain Capital's investment has continued. Brookstone has subsequently added more than 1,100 employees across 294 retail stores in the United States. And in 2011, Brookstone recorded nearly half a billion dollars in revenues.
Wesley Jensen-Bain Capital's investment in Wesley Jessen, a contact lens manufacturer, has been praised by National Public Radio as a "major success story." The manufacturer's previous owner struggled to "get rid" of the division, which "was becoming a drag on their business." When Bain Capital acquired the company, it was in its second consecutive year of losses greater than $50 million.
With Bain Capital's help, the company quickly turned around, saving 1,600 jobs and creating 100 new jobs. By shifting their product line and production process, Wesley Jessen was able to reduce the price of its contact lenses while returning to profitability. After just three years, the company went from losing $50 million to turning a nearly $30 million profit.
GOCom-GoCom was a small group of television stations when Bain Capital partnered with them to help grow the company. Bain Capital invested $100 million dollars, and GoCom was able to expand from four to ten television stations across the United States.
Thanks to strong management and the support of Bain Capital, GoCom was able to increase ad sales, increase revenues and increase employment. When Bain Capital sold its stake in GoCom, the merged company had grown to 800 employees with revenues of $80 million
GT bicycles-Bain Capital invested in California-based GT Bicycles in 1993 when America's love affair with mountain biking was just starting to take off. GT more than doubled American employment during Bain Capital's involvement, rising from 350 to 750 workers.
With Bain Capital's help, GT built a new, state-of-the-art manufacturing facility in southern California, upgraded facilities in New York and Missouri, and added new distribution facilities in Florida and Wisconsin.
Sports Authority-Colorado-based Sports Authority was just a startup when Mitt Romney and Bain Capital invested in the idea and helped get it off the ground. Today it’s a 15,000-person company.
Sports Authority began with one store in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida in 1987. When Sports Authority was sold to K-Mart in 1990, it had grown from an idea to atwo-state chain employing nearly 1,300 workers in just three years. Today, Sports Authority is based out of Englewood, Colorado and employs nearly 1,000 workers at its corporate offices alone. With more than 470 stores in 45 states, Sports Authority has grown into a truly national success story.
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Post by bo862 on Oct 9, 2012 13:43:44 GMT -5
Its ok rukus he's a politician... that means he cares now.
What about his failures, like giving hundreds of millions in executive bonuses then filing bankruptcy and putting 15k people on the street at kbtoys. Do you have a list of those?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 17:58:47 GMT -5
Its ok rukus he's a politician... that means he cares now. What about his failures, like giving hundreds of millions in executive bonuses then filing bankruptcy and putting 15k people on the street. Do you have a list of those? You must be refering to Obama's "Green Energy" Failure. |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Oct 9, 2012 21:36:39 GMT -5
It's hard to comunicate with a liberal, you have to use words or retarded phrases they can understand....
...so how about this:
"Mitt Romney and Bain Capital created or saved jobs" -Jobs1stb4polarbears
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Post by rukus on Oct 10, 2012 3:59:58 GMT -5
Nice copy and paste... And Im sure every single word of it is 100% true... Now Im convinced
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Post by justaworker on Oct 10, 2012 9:49:37 GMT -5
if the issue is job creation, wouldn't a career businessman know how to create jobs more than a social activist?
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Post by cal50 on Oct 10, 2012 11:24:46 GMT -5
Its real easy to spitfire words when they are just empty promises that the public wants to hear....Do yourself a favor and look up his company Bain... It baffles me how anybody, especially in our line of work, could vote for this guy when he made his Hundreds of Millions on buying out failing companys only to run them further into the ground all the while selling off anything of worth, taking benefits from the government meant to help these struggling companys and laying all the workers off in the process... Ok lets vote for a guy who is running on the platform of creating more jobs for the American people when he spent his whole career sending them to the UI line.... F@$king Morons Obama REALLY showed how inept he is during a live debate. He would be better suited as king or queen where you can speak without having to take questions. For the people that claim Romney simply "lied" and won you are the biggest bunch of delusional door knobs out there. Lets see some of Obama success stories- +16 Trillion national debt ( Obama added +5 trillion himself although promising the opposite) Deficit spending is around 1.2 trillion annually No congressional or federal budget in place to adhere to or follow. GM bond holders (27 billion) and tax payers took it in the ass ( +25 billion) for propping up the competition. Green energy loss 2.7 billion ( but hey Obama donors got a piece of that action) If this is "moving forward" I want to hit the brakes. How anyone that has a good job (or any job) can vote for Obama is insane. Obama is spending the USA into a deeper hole. As for Obama creating jobs is a total joke as well. Lets see if the number was 7.8 when Obama took office and 3 1/2 years later its back to 7.8 is that really moving forward? If the unemployment numbers ticked down its as you referenced a statistical anomaly yet Obama is trying to use its as an indicator of something positive he did. For the money spent he should have flown around on air force 1 and tossed cash out the windows. It would have helped more people and some of it would have went to actual tax payers. It similar to being lost and when you think you know your heading you come back to the place you started. Obama is totally lost. I would rather vote for a Mormon than a moron.  |
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Post by bo862 on Oct 10, 2012 18:31:42 GMT -5
A successful career businessman concentrates wealth in his own pockets; that does not require creating jobs. Romney stated in the 80's -
“Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in startup companies and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit,” - Romney
He has never created a business for the sake of creating jobs or fulfilling a need in society, and his record shows that. He made money off companies whether they succeeded or failed. His goal as a businessman is to get rich. The last thing we need is someone with a "sterling business career" to continue concentrating wealth at the top levels.
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Post by cal50 on Oct 10, 2012 21:26:28 GMT -5
A successful career businessman concentrates wealth in his own pockets; that does not require creating jobs. Romney stated in the 80's - “Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in startup companies and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit,” - Romney He has never created a business for the sake of creating jobs or fulfilling a need in society, and his record shows that. He made money off companies whether they succeeded or failed. His goal as a businessman is to get rich. The last thing we need is someone with a "sterling business career" to continue concentrating wealth at the top levels. How many businesses are alive and well today becasue of Bain Capitol and its employees? The following fits you quite accurately IMHO. tinyurl.com/8r9uhr3Paste- Like President Obama, Most people have no idea what a venture capitalist does. At the risk of dumbing it down for those who desperately need this, venture capitalists risk their money in the hopes of making more money. A venture is a risk. Capital is money. Sometimes these risks work. Sometimes they fail. Mr. Romney approached failing companies with the intent of turning them around. Sometimes he failed, but he succeeded more than he failed, and became wealthy through his successes. The liberal myth is that Mitt Romney played the Danny Devito role of Larry the Liquidator. He took companies, stripped them dry, kept all of the money for himself, and destroyed everyone else. The left would have no idea how to explain how this actually works, but it sounds good. The problem with this "analysis" is that people and businesses have reputations. If this narrative of Mr. Romney as Conan the Financial Destroyer were accurate, potential clients would catch on after a few decades and stop doing business with him and Bain Capital. They are still in business precisely because their track record is quite good. Critics of Romney and Bain Capital know they dislike him and the firm, but cannot exactly articulate why. |
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Post by marcus on Oct 11, 2012 3:40:06 GMT -5
You can't save every business from going under.But his record for doing so is pretty high.Obama has failed he needs to go.
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Post by justaworker on Oct 11, 2012 5:33:25 GMT -5
A successful career businessman concentrates wealth in his own pockets; that does not require creating jobs. Romney stated in the 80's - “Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in startup companies and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit,” - Romney He has never created a business for the sake of creating jobs or fulfilling a need in society, and his record shows that. He made money off companies whether they succeeded or failed. His goal as a businessman is to get rich. The last thing we need is someone with a "sterling business career" to continue concentrating wealth at the top levels. bo, we are all aware of the talking points from both sides. but its really a simple question, with an obvious answer. who would know how to create jobs? a guy thats been involved in business. or a social activist? |
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Post by cal50 on Oct 11, 2012 10:54:37 GMT -5
A successful career businessman concentrates wealth in his own pockets; that does not require creating jobs. Romney stated in the 80's - “Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in startup companies and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit,” - Romney He has never created a business for the sake of creating jobs or fulfilling a need in society, and his record shows that. He made money off companies whether they succeeded or failed. His goal as a businessman is to get rich. The last thing we need is someone with a "sterling business career" to continue concentrating wealth at the top levels. bo, we are all aware of the talking points from both sides. but its really a simple question, with an obvious answer. who would know how to create jobs? a guy thats been involved in business. or a social activist? Most reasonable intelligent people know that answer.... He was reading basically off of the union handout / printed BS praising the inept democratic candidate with a failed record over a republican, any republican challenger. To only support the democrat each time, every time would lead a person to believe that only that party is the best choice. That is a statistical impossibility to say only that party is the correct or best choice no matter who else is running. Its a good thing people with this mentality do not pick or vote in CEO's of companies. If left to a vote we could have had an Obama in charge of Ford over a Mulally. |
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Post by bo862 on Oct 13, 2012 1:49:06 GMT -5
The 3 main points raised on this thread from the conservative/republican side. 1. "Mitt Romney and Bain Capital created or saved jobs" - Jobs1stb4polarbears Then he lists a few bain success stories, and ignores the fact that any jobs "created or saved" were purely incidental; also ignoring any failures that caused a job loss. Nice ditty but the point is proven false by cal50. 2. venture capitalists risk their money in the hopes of making more money. A venture is a risk. Capital is money - cal50 Now, if this one is accurate, this would make the first point by jobs1st false since venture capitalist look for high risk/return investments into OTHER peoples businesses. Consider this like someone investing in a race horse. After you give the owner money for training and equipment, if that horse wins the owner and investor are looking at some returns. The only way they may be able to get a return on a horse that does not win is to send that one to the glue factory. I think it is safe to say venture capitalists are closer to high stake gamblers than job creators. 3. who would know how to create jobs? a guy that's been involved in business. or a social activist? - justaworker In this interview of Romney at 2:30 he states "president obama was right the other day at the job summit the govt doesn't create jobs the private sector does, and it is the govt that is supposed to create the conditions for businesses to grow." According to Romney, the government's responsibility is much more than just creating jobs or earning a quick buck off someone else's business. So, judging by this, it would suggest the whole argument of "job creator" is not so relevant for the presidency. It also seems counter intuitive since the unemployment rate is the lowest since obama has been president. Keep in mind we are choosing someone for a position that has a much broader area of responsibility than just business; that includes the lives and livelihood of over 300 million people, not just the quarterly profits of businesses. Since cal brought up mullaly as a successful businessman lets look at his record as an example. At ford our market share has not made any significant increase since he has been here (does someone else have info that says otherwise), yet the company has made a record profit. Now that is a pretty impressive feat, but if this did not come from increased market share or an expansion of the economy, where did this corporate wealth come from. He has managed to end raises, cola, remove retirees ins from the contract - you get the idea. Ford has made record profits and it has been largely on the backs of the workers that this "progress" has been made. Is this the type of person you would want to determine our future as American citizens? Also, in that same interview of Romney at 1:30 he makes an analogy of a small society of 100 people; 50 of them build houses for everyone; another 50 farm for everyone. One day someone invents a tractor and suddenly 10 people can provide enough food which leaves 40 out of employment. His answer is that there will be resistance to change and innovation because it will affect people very personally. Romney's answer for those out of a job in the real world is to give 2k to any business that will hire anyone that has been out of a job for a year. I imagine a social activist would try to figure out how these 40 could provide for their families needs by meaningfully contributing to the rest of society. That is the difference to me. A bean-counting venture capitalist will only look at a small portion of his area of responsibility ignoring the pain and needs of the other forty-seven percent he is supposed to represent. It may have taken me a while to answer, and with a long post but it is simple to me. A social activist I believe will look at the broader needs of everyone, and come to a decision based on the best course of action (not the most efficient) for the nation as a whole, which must include jobs. |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Oct 13, 2012 2:36:21 GMT -5
Communism: You have two cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then gives you some milk.
Fascism: You have two cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then sells you some milk.
Nazism: You have two cows. The Government shoots you and takes the cows.
New Dealism: You have two cows. The Government takes both, shoots one, buys milk from the other cow, then pours the milk down the drain.
Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
--wiki
....I think, I'll stick with Capitalism
...and hopefully many Americans will, come November
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Post by marcus on Oct 13, 2012 6:50:29 GMT -5
Capitalism is what im voting for.
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Post by bo862 on Oct 13, 2012 7:53:17 GMT -5
Communism: You have two cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then gives you some milk. Fascism: You have two cows. You give them to the Government, and the Government then sells you some milk. Nazism: You have two cows. The Government shoots you and takes the cows. New Dealism: You have two cows. The Government takes both, shoots one, buys milk from the other cow, then pours the milk down the drain. Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. --wiki ....I think, I'll stick with Capitalism ...and hopefully many Americans will, come November Great analogy, only a capitalist would ever think of getting a bull. |
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Post by oh2ky on Oct 14, 2012 13:31:28 GMT -5
Use the bull to make more cows. Sounds better than buying cows.  |
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Oct 14, 2012 16:37:58 GMT -5
Anybody that sits around and thinks that the gov is going to create jobs, is either naive, or completely stupid. The gov has never created a job that is stand alone, profitable and doesn't continually cost the taxpayers more than what a private company could do the job for.
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Post by cal50 on Oct 14, 2012 19:10:16 GMT -5
Anybody that sits around and thinks that the gov is going to create jobs, is either naive, or completely stupid. The gov has never created a job that is stand alone, profitable and doesn't continually cost the taxpayers more than what a private company could do the job for. They do not create jobs directly ( unless you are a government employee) but they help create an environment TO create jobs. Government does it with lower taxes and regulation, states do it with tax abatement's and incentives. Watch France where their new elected president want to tax the wealthy by 75% and watch the employment number drop and those people move else ware. |
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