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Post by cal50 on Nov 20, 2012 21:41:19 GMT -5
Don't blame me, I did not vote for the idiot before or recently.
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Post by peacebwu on Nov 20, 2012 22:51:38 GMT -5
If we had a Flat Tax System, I think the cost as a whole on the middle class and under would outweigh any tax saving. The % of Local taxes would go up, Low wages and the poverty level would be worse etc. I don't trust our government to do the right thing when it comes to FTS. well, if you're right its because the "rich" are paying more than their fair share already. everybody paying the same rate would be fair. but we acknowledge its already unfair, so how do we fix it? as far as trusting the gov't...why would you trust them to do much of anything right? They do pay higher rates but I wouldn't call it their fair share. Due to loopholes deductions and exemptions, the tax code favors them more. I clearly understand, it will always be uneven but I would like to see some fairness..I'm tired of being the guinea pig! Back to your question on how we fix it, I don't know! |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 21, 2012 3:03:53 GMT -5
[quote author=peacebwu board=election thread=12693 post=62460 time=1353469898
They do pay higher rates but I wouldn't call it their fair share. [/quote]
and thats simply where we disagree brother. if one man pays $3 million a year in federal taxes, and my tax liability is $9,000. is that fair? what about my little brother? he pays next to nothing in, but because he has a bunch of kids he gets $6,000 back. is that fair?
i respect your opinions man, i just think you are dead wrong. i also believe that the liberal view on taxing the rich more will be a huge backfire.
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Post by peacebwu on Nov 21, 2012 21:48:50 GMT -5
[quote author=peacebwu board=election thread=12693 post=62460 time=1353469898 They do pay higher rates but I wouldn't call it their fair share. and thats simply where we disagree brother. if one man pays $3 million a year in federal taxes, and my tax liability is $9,000. is that fair? what about my little brother? he pays next to nothing in, but because he has a bunch of kids he gets $6,000 back. is that fair? i respect your opinions man, i just think you are dead wrong. i also believe that the liberal view on taxing the rich more will be a huge backfire. [/quote] I respect yours too. If your brother is disable, sick etc yes but if he's healthy and able to work than no, it's not fair. I don't care what the right or left views are, they need to come together and fix this mess! I'm not saying taxing the rich is the right thing to do. I don't hear to many rich people complaining about it because they know the tax laws will still favor them no matter what happens. I don't feel bad because they been robbing the system for years. |
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Post by JoePieper on Nov 22, 2012 13:27:18 GMT -5
Just shorten the tax code to one page. Under 200,000 pay 10% and over 200,000 pay 15%. No credits, deductions, exemptions,loopholes, etc.
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Post by dave7293 on Nov 23, 2012 17:02:36 GMT -5
finance.yahoo.com/news/millionaires-pay-highest-tax-rate-170212760.html;_ylt=AtzO7JsAdcE6JavK7xuekjCiuYdG;_ylu=X3oDMTQ4ZGUxbmRtBG1pdANDTkJDIFRvcCBTdG9yaWVzBHBrZwNlNmQxZmYwMy00MjQ2LTNhY2MtODNkYy1kYWQ3MWQxNzliMzcEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQkxpc3RNaXhlZExQQ0FUZW1wBHZlcgM5ZjRmM2ZmMC0zNTkwLTExZTItYjJlNy0xMmNlNzczMjBkZjI-;_ylg=X3oDMTFpNzk0NjhtBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3 "According to new data from the IRS, people who make $1 million or more had an average tax rate of 20.4 percent in 2010. Tax filers who earned $30,000 to $50,000 paid an average rate of 4.8 percent, while those who made between $50,000 and $100,000 paid 7.7 percent. Those making under $30,000 had a negative effective rate, meaning they paid no federal income taxes after deductions and credits." "Rates don't fall all that much once you get above $10 million. Even among the top 400 earners in America, whose average income is more than $200 million, the average rate is 18 percent - still more than three times the rate paid by the middle class. " For those who think you get screwed on your taxes while the rich don`t pay their fair share...the IRS disagrees with you and so do I.
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Post by coconut on Nov 23, 2012 21:24:07 GMT -5
I say , if you don't like it pack your bags and get the hell outta Dodge. Canada and Mexico are just over the borders !!!!!
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Post by dave7293 on Nov 23, 2012 22:32:59 GMT -5
I say , if you don't like it pack your bags and get the hell outta Dodge. Canada and Mexico are just over the borders !!!!! Who are you talking to? |
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Post by keithf on Nov 24, 2012 21:28:34 GMT -5
coconut, if you can't post without stating that you are sure that others are racists...then don't post. no need for that on here. thanks.
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Nov 24, 2012 21:59:57 GMT -5
You know, the accusation of racism is a sign of desperation by people who know they are losing the debate, and they want to hurl the ultimate charge in American politics.
This is dealing from the bottom of the deck, and I agree that it is a disgusting tactic. It's done as a way to end debate. The minute you call somebody a racist, the debate is over. You don't continue….
Accusations of racism are the last refuge of the coconut liberal.
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Post by bo862 on Nov 26, 2012 9:29:58 GMT -5
You know, the accusation of racism is a sign of desperation by people who know they are losing the debate, and they want to hurl the ultimate charge in American politics. This is dealing from the bottom of the deck, and I agree that it is a disgusting tactic. It's done as a way to end debate. The minute you call somebody a racist, the debate is over. You don't continue…. Accusations of racism are the last refuge of the coconut liberal. The same is true with general name calling like retard, libtard and dumbass, but that has never stopped you from using those on here. |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Nov 26, 2012 15:40:32 GMT -5
I was talking about THE ultimate charge of being a racist in political forum, not terms of endearment like:
retard
libtard turd
dumbass
Retardicans
DemonCRAPs
Rethuglicans
bo862
commie
pinko
leftwinger
rightwinger
repubics
etc....and the list goes on...
please, lets not get too sensitive...
but the ultimate charge of racism, just ends any political discourse...and debate for that matter
......and this whole thing about signing petition for secession, its just plain retarded....it won't go nowhere....if people only knew what it took(procedures) to break from the states, they would not waste their time sighing this shit....
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Post by justaworker on Nov 27, 2012 10:43:46 GMT -5
I was talking about THE ultimate charge of being a racist in political forum, not terms of endearment like: retard lib tard turd dumbass Retardicans DemonCRAPs Rethuglicans bo862 commie pinko leftwinger rightwinger repubics etc....and the list goes on... please, lets not get too sensitive... but the ultimate charge of racism, just ends any political discourse...and debate for that matter ......and this whole thing about signing petition for secession, its just plain retarded....it won't go nowhere....if people only knew what it took(procedures) to break from the states, they would not waste their time sighing this shit.... when you don't have an argument, play the race card. or the class warfare card. or, accuse others of being homophobes. thats always a winner. if your arguments hold no merit, just pretend everybody else is some sort of bigot. thats always easier than articulating an opinion. |
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Post by dave7293 on Nov 27, 2012 12:02:44 GMT -5
The liberal news came out with the truth yesterday so lets let this one rest. I'm not a racist and i`m sure most on here are not as well. when the news backs up my facts then it`s time for me to say lets move on. usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm"Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000 child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-income taxpayers will rise." 'The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent. The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent. The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by 27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the top 1 percent. The White House has announced it will lobby Congress to pass legislation making most of President Bush's tax cutting measures permanent.' Source: U.S. Treasury, Office of Tax Analysis This is our own government stats. Bush raised taxes on the higher earners and lowered it on all us middle and lower earners. Why can`t people see who is really on the middle class side. |
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