Boycott Papa John's

[TonyV]

Todd Dunn
President UAW Local 862
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From: Dowell, Mark (M.A.)
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: Boycott Papa John's





Subject: Boycott Papa John's

Hi,

Papa John's CEO John Schnatter has announced he will avoid the costs of Obamacare for his workers by cutting their hours. But yet, every week of the NFL season, they are giving away 120,000 FREE PIZZAS to Papa Rewards members.

That's why I signed a petition to John Schnatter, CEO, which says:

"John Schnatter has a net worth of $240 million dollars. He doesn't have to worry about the cost of his healthcare. But in protest of Obamacare, he has decided to cut the hours of his employees to make a statement. He is hurting low wage earners that need full-time employment to make ends meet. Let's make a statement by boycotting Papa John's pizza until he treats his employees fairly!"

Will you sign this petition? Click here:

signon.org/sign/boycott-papa-johns-1?source=s.em.mt&r_by=1544038

Thanks!

[cal50]

I don't buy his pizza nor will I sign a petition.

People voted for Obama and what comes with him, don't get mad if businesses deal with it.
Also when our health care benefits are taxed as income at some point remember who you voted for. Nothing is "free" and businesses and the rich only pass along those costs as higher product prices or it comes from employee wages & benefits.

[tryingtomakeit]

Honestly Todd, did you not see this coming? The left demonizes anybody that is wealthy, basically calls them assholes for being successful, and constantly bitches about them not paying enough in taxes, all the while providing jobs. And you don't expect them to push back? Are you serious? What do you think is going to happen here? As soon as ford can, they will drop our plan ASAP.

I believe after the 08' election I heard on numerous occasions that, "elections have consequences". Well, guess what? The chickens have come home, and this is just the beginning. Massive layoffs, loss of full time positions, and less investment is coming, sooner than later.

Now where's the number for papa johns, I'm hungry!

[oldsbdcjim]

I just ordered my Papa John's pizza tonight. Yummmmmmmmmmmmmm

[theycandothat93]

Get real dude, what you think Alan did. cut jobs, close plants, didnt get the memo to boycott ford. get papa every wk and will continue

[cal50]

Nov 14, 2012 19:17:18 GMT -5 tryingtomakeit said:

As soon as ford can, they will drop our plan ASAP.

Bingo.

[rukus]

I'll sign it just because the pizza sucks

[justaworker]

is the left really this stupid? if it bothers you that papa john said this...WAKE UP. PAY ATTENTION. business leaders told you 5 years ago this would happen. they told you that obamacare would result in job losses, and lower incomes. when they called it a job killer, did you think they were joking?

tip for the future. when the topic is jobs, and the economy. listen to business leaders. they likely know more than community organizers.

[bo862]

Nov 15, 2012 3:25:12 GMT -5 justaworker said:

result in job losses, and lower incomes. when they called it a job killer, did you think they were joking?

Job losses and lower incomes are not the result of Obamacare; especially in this case. The owner decided to not add (according to schattner himself) 11-14 cents per pizza to cover the cost of healthcare, and opts to lower the standard of living for employees by reducing their income as well as ensuring they do not have the security of health coverage. Reducing the quality of already low income peoples' lives is worse than throwing a tantrum and taking your toys home; this is burning their home down before you leave. And all because of an ideology opposed to a piece of legislation that the employees had no control over. Obamacare is not the cause, it is the excuse.

Nov 15, 2012 3:25:12 GMT -5 justaworker said:

tip for the future. when the topic is jobs, and the economy. listen to business leaders.

What it appears you are saying is, when someone with power tells us what to do, we had better learn to lie down and play bitch, or they will screw their employees.


It bothers me business leaders would threaten, and then carry out what is an act of revenge against, innocent people.

The cost of their healthcare comes to 15 cents per pizza. That represents approximately 1% of the pizzas cost. Are they not worth the 1% increase to provide medical benefits for all the workers?

[tryingtomakeit]

Nov 17, 2012 5:31:20 GMT -5 bo862 said:

Nov 15, 2012 3:25:12 GMT -5 justaworker said:

result in job losses, and lower incomes. when they called it a job killer, did you think they were joking?

Job losses and lower incomes are not the result of Obamacare; especially in this case. The owner decided to not add (according to schattner himself) 11-14 cents per pizza to cover the cost of healthcare, and opts to lower the standard of living for employees by reducing their income as well as ensuring they do not have the security of health coverage.

Which is it? In one sentence you say Obamacare doesn't cause job loss, and in the very next sentence you explain that it directly caused job losses!?!? I know this is hard for a lot of people to grasp, but although it may be .14, it's still $ .14. It's not much, but it adds up, and you're talking about a guy that built his biz from the ground up. And without knowing him personally, I'm sure he is like other small biz owners, he still watches every single penny like a hawk.

This argument won't end anytime soon. Biz owners are going to protect their own interest first, and I don't blame them, I'd do the same. This is just the tip of the iceberg, many more cases like this are cropping up all over the country and will continue right up to the full rollout of obamacare. It will happen to us soon enough. And there won't be a fight, as you say, the uaw will be their bitch. Because what's their option? Become Hostess workers? Elections have consequences, or so I've heard. I miss Humana already

[JoePieper]

You also say employees had no control over it? They can vote can't they?

[fordlapworker1993]

I prefer Bearno's but thats why you should vote for who you want not somebody the union says you have to vote for.

[cal50]

Nov 17, 2012 5:31:20 GMT -5 bo862 said:

Nov 15, 2012 3:25:12 GMT -5 justaworker said:

result in job losses, and lower incomes. when they called it a job killer, did you think they were joking?

Job losses and lower incomes are not the result of Obamacare; especially in this case. The owner decided to not add (according to schattner himself) 11-14 cents per pizza to cover the cost of healthcare, and opts to lower the standard of living for employees by reducing their income as well as ensuring they do not have the security of health coverage. Reducing the quality of already low income peoples' lives is worse than throwing a tantrum and taking your toys home; this is burning their home down before you leave. And all because of an ideology opposed to a piece of legislation that the employees had no control over. Obamacare is not the cause, it is the excuse.

Nov 15, 2012 3:25:12 GMT -5 justaworker said:

tip for the future. when the topic is jobs, and the economy. listen to business leaders.

What it appears you are saying is, when someone with power tells us what to do, we had better learn to lie down and play bitch, or they will screw their employees.


It bothers me business leaders would threaten, and then carry out what is an act of revenge against, innocent people.

The cost of their healthcare comes to 15 cents per pizza. That represents approximately 1% of the pizzas cost. Are they not worth the 1% increase to provide medical benefits for all the workers?

A company forced to "cover" non-operating expenses put on it by outside forces (government) and you think the company is the bad guy? Congrats on being misguided and clueless.

Ford and PPJ pizza has stock holders and investors that they answer to. Anything that cuts into the profit or affects their product & pricing is their their choice and something they decided NOT to pass on to the customer. Kudos for caring about the customers.

This is the one simple concept that escapes the liberal mindset. By the government MANDATING Obama care a lot of people in business said out loud it will add costs and be bad for business. Because a company decides not to pass that along to it customers but makes staffing changes some dip shit decides to boycott them?

Obama said "elections have consequences" so enjoy what you voted for. Maybe the government will bail out the pizza industry next and free pizza for the idiots that want more free stiff.

Obama care COSTS real money, what a concept.

[rukus]

If it hurts the company that bad then maybe they might wanna pull the plug on that free pizza campaign with Manning

[rukus]

Free pizza COSTS real money ^^^

[justaworker]

Nov 19, 2012 4:44:27 GMT -5 rukus said:

If it hurts the company that bad then maybe they might wanna pull the plug on that free pizza campaign with Manning

thats a marketing promotion, which leads to them making more money. its part of running a business.

why don't we let business run their business. instead of forcing them to be the suppliers for our healthcare?

[rukus]

Under any other circumstances Papa would pass that measly $.14 on to the consumer, but in this case he wants to lower his employees standard of living, jack their healthcare and blame the Government... Hey Cal, I think I have some coupons over here if you want them... Im sure you're probly gonna be doin your part to support ol' Papa since Obamacare is trying to put him out of business

[rukus]

Its part of running a business...just like providing healthcare

[rukus]

Justaworker, are you 1st or 2nd tier employee at Ford?

[justaworker]

Nov 19, 2012 5:10:03 GMT -5 rukus said:

Justaworker, are you 1st or 2nd tier employee at Ford?

why? my job has nothing to do with my opinions on who is responsible for my well being.

[justaworker]

Nov 19, 2012 4:57:33 GMT -5 rukus said:

Its part of running a business...just like providing healthcare

providing healthcare is not part of running a business. your sense of entitlement, is disturbing.

[rukus]

Well if you are in fact 2nd tier dont be upset about your lower wage scale and benefits...ford is just trying to run a company

[justaworker]

Nov 19, 2012 5:53:31 GMT -5 rukus said:

Well if you are in fact 2nd tier dont be upset about your lower wage scale and benefits...ford is just trying to run a company

if i was second tier, what would i have to be upset about. i would have known the pay and benefits before taking the job.

also, you are terrible at defending your argument.

[cal50]

Nov 19, 2012 5:53:31 GMT -5 rukus said:

Well if you are in fact 2nd tier dont be upset about your lower wage scale and benefits...ford is just trying to run a company

That's a pretty weak ass attempt at a dig but somehow fitting of you.

[bo862]

Nov 19, 2012 1:20:57 GMT -5 cal50 said:

Nov 17, 2012 5:31:20 GMT -5 bo862 said:

Job losses and lower incomes are not the result of Obamacare; especially in this case. The owner decided to not add (according to schattner himself) 11-14 cents per pizza to cover the cost of healthcare, and opts to lower the standard of living for employees by reducing their income as well as ensuring they do not have the security of health coverage. Reducing the quality of already low income peoples' lives is worse than throwing a tantrum and taking your toys home; this is burning their home down before you leave. And all because of an ideology opposed to a piece of legislation that the employees had no control over. Obamacare is not the cause, it is the excuse.



What it appears you are saying is, when someone with power tells us what to do, we had better learn to lie down and play bitch, or they will screw their employees.


It bothers me business leaders would threaten, and then carry out what is an act of revenge against, innocent people.

The cost of their healthcare comes to 15 cents per pizza. That represents approximately 1% of the pizzas cost. Are they not worth the 1% increase to provide medical benefits for all the workers?

A company forced to "cover" non-operating expenses put on it by outside forces (government) and you think the company is the bad guy? Congrats on being misguided and clueless.

Ford and PPJ pizza has stock holders and investors that they answer to. Anything that cuts into the profit or affects their product & pricing is their their choice and something they decided NOT to pass on to the customer. Kudos for caring about the customers.

This is the one simple concept that escapes the liberal mindset. By the government MANDATING Obama care a lot of people in business said out loud it will add costs and be bad for business. Because a company decides not to pass that along to it customers but makes staffing changes some dip shit decides to boycott them?

Obama said "elections have consequences" so enjoy what you voted for. Maybe the government will bail out the pizza industry next and free pizza for the idiots that want more free stiff.

Obama care COSTS real money, what a concept.

"forced to cover non-operating costs"

You mean like your food, mortgage, electric, gas and so on? Where do we draw the line. All of these are cutting into profits affecting stock holders and investors. Are you going to give up the wages you use for these? Healthcare is a major part of modern society.

To restrict it to only the richer citizens is pathetic.

[cal50]

Nov 19, 2012 21:17:33 GMT -5 bo862 said:

Nov 19, 2012 1:20:57 GMT -5 cal50 said:

A company forced to "cover" non-operating expenses put on it by outside forces (government) and you think the company is the bad guy? Congrats on being misguided and clueless.

Ford and PPJ pizza has stock holders and investors that they answer to. Anything that cuts into the profit or affects their product & pricing is their their choice and something they decided NOT to pass on to the customer. Kudos for caring about the customers.

This is the one simple concept that escapes the liberal mindset. By the government MANDATING Obama care a lot of people in business said out loud it will add costs and be bad for business. Because a company decides not to pass that along to it customers but makes staffing changes some dip shit decides to boycott them?

Obama said "elections have consequences" so enjoy what you voted for. Maybe the government will bail out the pizza industry next and free pizza for the idiots that want more free stiff.

Obama care COSTS real money, what a concept.

"forced to cover non-operating costs"

You mean like your food, mortgage, electric, gas and so on? Where do we draw the line. All of these are cutting into profits affecting stock holders and investors. Are you going to give up the wages you use for these? Healthcare is a major part of modern society.

To restrict it to only the richer citizens is pathetic.

Since we were discussing a business that produces food your food example is pure stupidity. Mortgage and utilities ARE factored into business expenses and relevant .
Those costs ARE part of running a business.

In the infinite space between your ears try to understand the difference in costs business related from necessity and added TAXES to business which takes away from the bottom line. The latter always comes from the sale of product or employee wages and benefits. In this example you deem it somehow unfair for Obama care costs to be passed along to customers. If you add up all the Obama care exemptions granted and considering our elected official are exempt from what they are forcing on all of us I can not blame any business for NOT participating in the BS that was dropped from above.

Slightly more than 1/2 the country ( 2 million) swallowed the Obama bait. Enjoy your "win" since we will all pay.

The sad part is the asinine plan does nothing to control medical costs which is the real problem. Taxing businesses with employees to try to cover the unknown and uncontrolled costs is an example of misguided effort. If the tax starts at .14 cents a pizza it will only continue to go up. The unknown cost to business will not help any business which goes right back to people actually in business telling politicians that Obama care is bad for business.

Lets watch and see if the unemployment numbers reflect what real business people have already said but not listened to that it will negatively impact employment.

4 years from now some people will look back 8 years and realize the joke Obama really is.

[Deleted]

So a large localy based company tells it like it is and uses a marketing plan to get more business and we are told to ban them? This guy built his company with his own two hands. Started out in a shit hole and now he is nationwide. More power to Mr. Schnatter!
Go fuck yourself todd dunn.
I will make sure to buy from Papa Johns more often now.

[justaworker]

Nov 19, 2012 22:47:02 GMT -5 @analspasm said:

So a large localy based company tells it like it is and uses a marketing plan to get more business and we are told to ban them? This guy built his company with his own two hands. Started out in a shit hole and now he is nationwide. More power to Mr. Schnatter!
Go fuck yourself todd dunn.
I will make sure to buy from Papa Johns more often now.

yeah, i wasn't even going to mention how stupid it is to boycott local businesses over something so absurd.

[rukus]

No dig at all...my 53 yo father, a cousin and some friends are 2nd tier new hire's, and it pisses me off that they dont have the same oppertunities that I have at Ford... Both of you two are are company wanna be's...justaworker should probly change his name to "companyboy", because like you cal he surely isnt on the side of the working man...why would any union worker ever take a companys side and think that its okay to screw the worker out of benefits to offset cost of a changing business environment...? I bet you are one of the first people to bitch about it when it is something that directly affects you here at ford when they raise this or lower that, but as soon as PapaJohn screws his workforce and blames it on Obamacare you jump right on the bandwagon because he's not who you want in office...you two should apply for salary jobs

[justaworker]

Nov 20, 2012 5:07:06 GMT -5 rukus said:

No dig at all...my 53 yo father, a cousin and some friends are 2nd tier new hire's, and it pisses me off that they dont have the same oppertunities that I have at Ford... Both of you two are are company wanna be's...justaworker should probly change his name to "companyboy", because like you cal he surely isnt on the side of the working man...why would any union worker ever take a companys side and think that its okay to screw the worker out of benefits to offset cost of a changing business environment...? I bet you are one of the first people to bitch about it when it is something that directly affects you here at ford when they raise this or lower that, but as soon as PapaJohn screws his workforce and blames it on Obamacare you jump right on the bandwagon because he's not who you want in office...you two should apply for salary jobs

wow, you are terrible at presenting an argument. its all based on emotions with you. if you are pissed about the benefits of the 2nd tier workers, you should have told them not to take the job in the first place. OR, you can fight through negotiations to get them all up to full scale bennies and pay.

but none of that has anything to do with the sense of entitlement that would make someone believe its somebody elses responsibility to provide their healthcare for them.