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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 22:36:50 GMT -5
I don't think the huge percentage of gun violence victims and their families feel this way... Thats all I meant, gun violence is a serious problem in the US, that is a fact. . True! Chicago is amongst the worst in gun violence, but has the strictest gun laws. As all other cities that have strict gun laws or gun bans, have the worst gun crime rates. Could it be that criminals dont comply with laws? Im sure if there is an all out ban on firearms, the criminals would be the first ones to hand theirs over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 23:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by bulldognuts on Jan 17, 2013 23:12:10 GMT -5
Received this in an email thought was interesting and where the extremist in democratic party want to take us.
This sounds like the injustice going on in Flordia!
Just a Shotgun
You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear,you hear muffled whispers.
At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.
You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.
In the darkness, you make out two shadows.
One holds something that looks like a crowbar.
When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.
The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.
One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..
Yours was never registered.
Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died.
They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.
When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.
"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.
"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing.
"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.
Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..
Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.
But the next day's headline says it all:
"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."
The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..
As the days wear on, the story takes wings.
The national media picks it up, then the international media.
The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.
Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.
The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.
After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.
The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.
A few months later, you go to trial.
The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.
When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you..
Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man.
It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.
This case really happened.
On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.
In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term...
How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.
This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..
Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.
Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerfordmass shooting in 1987.
Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.
When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.
The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)
Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.
For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.
During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.
Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."
All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.
When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.
Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.
Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.
How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?
WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams
If you think this is important, please forward to everyone you know.
You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here, if he can get it done
The UN Small Arms Treaty that Hilary is negotiating would take away our 2nd Amendment rights.
And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.
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Just remember - the reason the Japanese didn't invade the USA is because they knew that most of the citizens were armed.
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Post by bulldognuts on Jan 18, 2013 11:08:00 GMT -5
Here is another interesting bit of information,if the the people who claim they want to protect the children, were being intellectually honest they would want to ban sale of hand guns.They know that this would never be possible so they go after what they think is possible.They call themselves Progressives for a reason,they will progressively go after a little at a time. If the weapons that they want banned, is banned,and then there is a mass shooting using handguns, the push to ban handguns will begin. Watch this news report. www.fox19.com/story/20608260/reality-check-an-apples-to-apples-comparison-of-us-and-uk-violent-crime-rates |
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Post by justaworker on Jan 18, 2013 16:30:58 GMT -5
anybody thats puts in 10 seconds of rational thought can realize that this is all politics. there are REAL problems out there. why do we have so many crazy people. why do we have such a culture of violence? asking those questions, not important. taking away guns....thats important.
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Post by bo862 on Jan 22, 2013 17:09:07 GMT -5
anybody thats puts in 10 seconds of rational thought can realize that this is all politics. there are REAL problems out there. why do we have so many crazy people. why do we have such a culture of violence? asking those questions, not important. taking away guns....thats important. Good point. Instead of taking our guns, lets discuss what is really important with this whole issue. How do we prevent, or at least reduce the amount of damage, when some moron turns one of our schools into a shooting gallery? To me this is the core issue. Instead of everyone throwing on their kevlar armor, grabbing their guns and running for the bunker, answer this question in order to remove any reasonable argument of taking our weapons; then we will be discussing the most important question concerning school shootings. |
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Post by marcus on Jan 24, 2013 9:18:50 GMT -5
Hotcarl
please read what the writers of the bill of rights had to say about the 2nd amendment.Don't just read it.Understand in there words what they meant.Its not about hunting.
very very few people are killed by ar 15s in this country.Also we are not even close to being the most violent country in the world.The uk is much more violent than the usa.
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Post by marcus on Jan 24, 2013 9:22:51 GMT -5
Great post bulldog
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Post by ktpelec on Jan 31, 2013 17:20:01 GMT -5
Hotcarl Also we are not even close to being the most violent country in the world.The uk is much more violent than the usa. Not when it comes to gun violence.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence |
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Post by mbt52 on Feb 5, 2013 8:11:08 GMT -5
Hotcarl Also we are not even close to being the most violent country in the world.The uk is much more violent than the usa. Not when it comes to gun violence.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violenceAgain your "facts" are skewed... Guns have been outlawed in the uk for over 20 years there has been a slow decline in gun violence over that time as they get pulled off the street. They also started with semi auto long guns then decided no one should have a handgun either now you have to pay huge money to even use a shotgun for hunting. Sounds like freedom to me. By the way now that no one has guns the criminals now are reduced to bashing your brains in with bricks or stabbing you (check those rates out as well). Well the stabbings are starting to be regulated also there are signs on the silverware in the uk that says you must be 18 years old to purchase a set of silverware because there are knives in the set. Again not a place I want to live. If you want to stop massacres put an armed highly trained guard in each and every school (still wont stop them all but will hinder the potential). The only thing that will stop this from happening is parents knowing who they're children are and keeping their guns out of their hands. Parents need to wake up and realize that these last couple of generations of kids are producing thugs, degenerates and a ton of people that have absolutely no respect for human life or any damn morals, But that is the legal law abiding gun owner that only wants to protect his family and innocents, fault? Right? It's my fault isn't it? Take my stuff away reduce me to a felon because I will be the day they tell me how many rounds I'm restricted to to defend my family and so will my wife. Because we will have the means to protect our daughter from the psychopathic evil people that walk amongst us every day. |
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