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Post by TonyV on Jan 14, 2015 9:37:55 GMT -5
Hello, I would like to bring your attention on a new post published on the UAWLAP.org Site. Details of the post follow. In Solidarity, SMS THE FACTS: States with so-called 'Right To Work' (for less) laws have: States with RTW laws have: Lower Wages and Incomes The average worker in states with RTW laws earns over $1,500 less in base salary than workers in other states, after the cost of living adjustment. Median household income in states with these laws is $6,437 less than in other states ($46,402 vs. $52,839). In states with RTW laws, 26.7 percent of jobs are in low-wage occupations, compared with 19.5 percent of jobs in other states. Less Job-Based Health Insurance Coverage People in states with RTW laws are more likely to be uninsured (16.8 percent, compared with 13.1 percent overall; among children, it's 10.8 percent vs. 7.5 percent). They're less likely to have job-based health insurance than people in other states (56.2 percent, compared with 60.1 percent). Only 50.7 percent of employers in states with these laws offer insurance coverage to their employees, compared with 55.2 percent in other states. That difference is even more significant among small employers (with fewer than 50 workers)-only 34.4 percent of them offer workers health insurance, compared with 41.7 percent of small employers in other states. Higher Poverty and Infant Mortality Rates Poverty rates are higher in states with RTW laws (15.3 percent overall and 21.5 percent for children), compared with poverty rates of 13.1 percent overall and 18.1 percent for children in states without these laws. The infant mortality rate is 15 percent higher in states with these laws. Less Investment in Education States with RTW laws spend $3,392 less per pupil on elementary and secondary education than other states, and students are less likely to be performing at their appropriate grade level in math and reading. Higher Rates of Death on the Job The rate of workplace deaths is 36 percent higher in states with these laws, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Link to the post: uawlap.org/uaw/the-facts-states-with-so-called-right-to-work-for-less-laws-have.phpLink to UAWLAP.org: uawlap.org |
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Post by toddstang on Jan 14, 2015 12:52:13 GMT -5
Where was the union and health and safety at on the job that broke my dam neck? No the UAW doesn't make a safer work place. They signed off on an illegal piece of equipment that has now fucked up the rest of my life.
So no, this union shop is no safer then a Haitian prostitute.
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Post by justaworker on Jan 14, 2015 15:00:50 GMT -5
That sucks todd, and I can't speak specific to your situation.... Only you can. But having worked in non Union environments before, I can assure you that a union shop is going to be safer. Heck, ford doesn't care about safety at all. Only we do, the union. Doesn't mean it's perfect, don't mean that we don't need to make it better. But damn, could you imagine this place without a union?
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Post by justaworker on Jan 14, 2015 15:01:50 GMT -5
Another thing todd, Haitian prostitutes kind of get a bad rap.
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Post by toddstang on Jan 14, 2015 15:22:04 GMT -5
I will be sure to post a thread later in the year about how I have been treated by union and company. Due to ongoing legalities I really can't say much now.
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Post by turk182 on Jan 14, 2015 22:30:10 GMT -5
Before you start beating down right to work,look what the uaw and ford has done to the workers. They beat down wages,did'nt ford and the uaw do the same thing. The company and the union are guilty of everything they accuse rtw of. We're not as stupid as you think we are. The only ones that should be worried about rtw is I.U.A.W. RTW is only a threat to your kushy jobs. If a few thousand opt out of the union in september, rtw will be the least of your problems.
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Post by crowdogg on Jan 15, 2015 1:01:44 GMT -5
^^That's mostly true. International fears the possibility that people will have a choice. If they don't give us what we feel we are paying for we would no longer have to pay. It only makes sense that a group of people whom is paying for something have a say in what they are paying for, find value in it, and if they are disappointed, can stop paying.
But... Without the union, we most likely would have shit pay and shit benefits, so it's a catch 22.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Jan 15, 2015 8:02:46 GMT -5
Shit pay and shit benefits? You mean like wages frozen for 10 years, loss of cola, loss of holidays, loss of break time, loss of Christmas bonus, ever increasing insurance, and loss of break time? Youre right, RTW sounds awful.....oh, wait a second, that wasn't RTW that did all that.
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Post by w84me on Jan 15, 2015 10:13:55 GMT -5
Shit pay and shit benefits? You mean like wages frozen for 10 years, loss of cola, loss of holidays, loss of break time, loss of Christmas bonus, ever increasing insurance, and loss of break time? Youre right, RTW sounds awful.....oh, wait a second, that wasn't RTW that did all that. Come to think about it, your right |
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Post by pmooret on Jan 15, 2015 14:33:56 GMT -5
How many years now have we been using the phrase "frozen wages for 10 years" and "haven't had a raise for 10 years"? How many years now has it actually been since we had a raise?
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Post by blackbird66 on Jan 15, 2015 14:39:59 GMT -5
How many years now have we been using the phrase "frozen wages for 10 years" and "haven't had a raise for 10 years"? How many years now has it actually been since we had a raise? About 10 years |
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Post by blackbird66 on Jan 15, 2015 14:41:18 GMT -5
As best I recall 2005 was the first year we agreed to forfeit our contractual raise
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Post by tiger66 on Jan 15, 2015 15:11:15 GMT -5
Let's wait till contract is over to see what everyone's opinion is on RTW. If we don't get a raise will go last 29 years of a career at same pay and less benefits. If uaw can't get a nice raise this time were fucked!!!
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Post by tiger66 on Jan 15, 2015 15:12:38 GMT -5
20 years. Been 10 already
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Post by blackbird66 on Jan 15, 2015 17:15:10 GMT -5
Right To Work is more accurately termed Right To Be Fired. Ten plus years ago heavily anti-union companies like Wal Mart where some of the largest financial backing of the RTW campaign.
Gay rights groups at that time where pointing out that lower wages and poor benefits where only the tip of the iceberg.
Right To Work gives Right To Fire powers to companies Right to fire based on sexual preference. Right to fire based on religious preference. Or political.
Regardless I think it's s lost battle. It's only a matter of time before those with the money to buy political power get their way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2015 18:07:54 GMT -5
Yea, nobody at Ford is worth firing. Not even 4 or 5 times.
Right to be fired can go both ways anywhere, even here. How many AWOL, tardy, drunks, drug users, ect have you seen get fired from here only to be hired back and go into the same routine?
I seen management here at Ford firing 2nd tier workers left and right when we first got started up for the Escape. Some were fired because they couldn't keep up with the over loaded jobs that us 1st tier couldn't even do! The union leadership did nothing to help even though we threw fits that only 2nd tier were being put on those jobs because we couldn't do them.
If this next contract gives us nothing in return, then I will vote for RTW because brother, I already gave up too much.
Texas, Tennessee and a few other RTW states seem to be doing just fine for their factory workers. Some make more than us and are (GASP!) non union labor.
BTW, ask anyone who works in medical how safe our plant is now. Some days it seems our medical dept needs to put a "Take a Ticket" slot on the wall.
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Post by turk182 on Jan 16, 2015 11:45:40 GMT -5
Thank God somebodys finally waking up. The iuaw IS worse than RTW. Don't let them scare you by telling you you'll get fired for anything if you don't have a union.The union protects the company from US! If the company wants you gone you can bet your ass the union won't stand in the way.They're both on the same team.Once again,I'm not beating up on our local officials. They're just following orders and I know some of them are good people.The companys biggest fear right now is that we'll all come together as one. They've done a great job of turning us against one another.It's time to come together as one,legacy,2nd tier,young,old,men,women.Lets build a future for our children and grand children.We've gotta leave something for them. Lets come together and git r dun! God help us!!!!!!
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Post by cal50 on Jan 18, 2015 13:35:06 GMT -5
RTW laws give individual employees the option of "opting out" of paying forced or mandatory union dues.
IF employees are happy and pleased with what they receive for dues paid the IUAW has nothing to fear.
If those same employees are UN-happy and decide to "opt out" the IUAW has only themselves to blame.
Forced membership does not say much for an organization let alone trying to "recruit" new members.
A cornerstone of union belief was equal pay for equal work. That principal went right out the window with the IUAW when 2nd tier workers get lower pay for the same job performed, as long as they paid dues.
Michigan workers now have that option in 2015 so it will be interesting to watch and see.
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