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[wildcats34]

Im not saying you haven't sacrificed. But it seems the brunt of the bullshit is felt by two tier workers.

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Jan 23, 2015 21:27:19 GMT -5 wildcats34 said:

F_ _ _ the union for going along with this two tier shit. We all could make $35-40 an hour and the company still make money. One wage! Whether we come up or legacy go down. If two tier is helping out so much how about legacy workers sacrifice the same as us two tier.

I didn't want this. I want us all to make the same. Cant blame Ford for this one because it falls back on our leadership starting at the local level.
Us 1st tier have been sacrificing for almost 10 years now. Like I said before, you knew the game plan before you walked through the gate.

[Deleted]

We need to work together to get the leadership here voted out. Our voices will never carry through them.

[wildcats34]

Look I want EVERYBODY to prosper. And yes I know what I signed up for. But ive got 3 yrs in in march. Thats where most people got $28 and some change. Im going to get my 80 cent raise and cross into $18 an hour. Not $28 like everybody else. $10 an hour difference no pension and insurance not as good. Now who is doing all the sacrificing. Im lucky my wife makes good money. Its more about principle for me. That being said I like my job and I like the people I work with.

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Jan 23, 2015 21:41:19 GMT -5 wildcats34 said:

Look I want EVERYBODY to prosper. And yes I know what I signed up for. But ive got 3 yrs in in march. Thats where most people got $28 and some change. Im going to get my 80 cent raise and cross into $18 an hour. Not $28 like everybody else. $10 an hour difference no pension and insurance not as good. Now who is doing all the sacrificing. Im lucky my wife makes good money. Its more about principle for me. That being said I like my job and I like the people I work with.

Dude, I feel for you I really do, but there is a lot worse out there and the UAW aint helping either of us to make things better here.
My wife makes a lot less than me so I know how you feel.
Just wait till 2018 when we all go on obamacare.
I like the people I work with as well, even the guy that talks about being abducted by aliens.

[justaworker]

The two tier workers are still under the exact same contract they were hired under. If they are mad about what's going on, they only have themselves to blame for taking the job in the first place. I know I would have passed.

[justaworker]

Wildcats, let me explain a sacrifice. Those that sacrificed gave up their raises, their cost of living allowance. They gave up holidays, and 10 minutes per shift of break time. They gave up certain health benefits. They gave up all that, among other things. Those are sacrifices... You, you're just a guy that doesn't like his job.

[comedian]

Jan 23, 2015 23:35:46 GMT -5 justaworker said:

Wildcats, let me explain a sacrifice. Those that sacrificed gave up their raises, their cost of living allowance. They gave up holidays, and 10 minutes per shift of break time. They gave up certain health benefits. They gave up all that, among other things. Those are sacrifices... You, you're just a guy that doesn't like his job.

You make almost thirty dollars an hour have a pension and way superior insurance. What more do you need really you work in a factory how much do you think you deserve to be paid. No ones buying you 1st tiers are suffering with how much you make stop making excuses equal pay for equal work. And you knew what you were getting into working here too. You topped out in pay sorry why do you deserve a raise ?

[justaworker]

Who said we were suffering? Just pointed out that we are the ones that made sacrifices, not the two tiers. By any definition of the word sacrifice, this is true. Be mad at us, and be envious of us if you want. But facts are, most of you wouldn't be here without two tier... And it ain't going away.

And that sucks. It should be equal work for equal pay.

[comedian]

I wasnt just talking about you man it's just all of the 1st tier people complaining about not getting a raise and acting like it's unfair when you just topped out. why do you deserve a raise when you have union brothers and sisters making a sub standard wage with less benefits. Where is the solidarity the union acts like it has.

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Jan 24, 2015 5:20:51 GMT -5 comedian said:

Jan 23, 2015 23:35:46 GMT -5 justaworker said:

Wildcats, let me explain a sacrifice. Those that sacrificed gave up their raises, their cost of living allowance. They gave up holidays, and 10 minutes per shift of break time. They gave up certain health benefits. They gave up all that, among other things. Those are sacrifices... You, you're just a guy that doesn't like his job.

You make almost thirty dollars an hour have a pension and way superior insurance. What more do you need really you work in a factory how much do you think you deserve to be paid. No ones buying you 1st tiers are suffering with how much you make stop making excuses equal pay for equal work. And you knew what you were getting into working here too. You topped out in pay sorry why do you deserve a raise ?

LMAO!

Ladies and gents be sure to tip you waitress's and bartenders, this funny mother f**ker will be here all week!

[justaworker]

Jan 24, 2015 8:44:13 GMT -5 comedian said:

I wasnt just talking about you man it's just all of the 1st tier people complaining about not getting a raise and acting like it's unfair when you just topped out. why do you deserve a raise when you have union brothers and sisters making a sub standard wage with less benefits. Where is the solidarity the union acts like it has.

Why do we deserve a raise? Why do you deserve a raise? Why does anybody deserve anything? I'm just trying to deal in facts. The facts have been stated.

[blackbird66]

Jan 24, 2015 9:17:49 GMT -5 justaworker said:

Jan 24, 2015 8:44:13 GMT -5 comedian said:

I wasnt just talking about you man it's just all of the 1st tier people complaining about not getting a raise and acting like it's unfair when you just topped out. why do you deserve a raise when you have union brothers and sisters making a sub standard wage with less benefits. Where is the solidarity the union acts like it has.

Why do we deserve a raise? Why do you deserve a raise? Why does anybody deserve anything? I'm just trying to deal in facts. The facts have been stated.

It could be said that the raises promised in past contracts that we ended up not receive are do us, and we deserve them. Pointing out that we make less than we did ten years ago, quite a lot less once you account for inflation is reason to deserve a raise, if only to return us back to a correctly adjusted for inflation pay rate.

Piss poor management, not workman ship, put FoMoCo in bad shape. That piss poor leadership is making record incomes, and we deserve some of that.

And second tier deserve equal pay.

[ccrewdummie]

Ok from one tier 2 to another. Their Insurance is shit now. I know this because I'm on that insurance with my partner. I opted out on BCBS because I was already on her insurance way before I started here. 3 yrs ago it was excellent. I had a major surgery. Only cost me $100 last year under the same insurance almost exactly the same surgery $4788 and some change came out of my pocket (I'm still paying on it) generic prescriptions are $13 and what is sad about that besides the price one of my prescriptions is $1 more then my co pay if I were paying their price. Humana sucks now. April 2nd I will have 3 years in this place. I'm approx. 2750 people from rolling over to full pay I'm #3033 out of 4759 You have March so your a lot closer. We accepted this job knowing we would be making less and that we could not would roll over to full pay. We also get $1 an hr up to 40 hrs a week that goes into our teshpi (401k whatever it is called)plus 4% of our pay. about 85% of the legacy that I work with hate that we are devided and work just as hard as I do. If they do decided to shut down C crew, your sitting pretty good to not get layed off. I on the other hand will be close. We can all say that person or this person voted yes to the tier 2 but voting machines can be manipulated and I think theire were more No then Yes votes. It started with Ford/IUAW! Be mad at them, not the person you work next too (unless they suck)

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Jan 24, 2015 14:08:43 GMT -5 ccrewdummie said:

Ok from one tier 2 to another. Their Insurance is shit now. I know this because I'm on that insurance with my partner. I opted out on BCBS because I was already on her insurance way before I started here. 3 yrs ago it was excellent. I had a major surgery. Only cost me $100 last year under the same insurance almost exactly the same surgery $4788 and some change came out of my pocket (I'm still paying on it) generic prescriptions are $13 and what is sad about that besides the price one of my prescriptions is $1 more then my co pay if I were paying their price. Humana sucks now. April 2nd I will have 3 years in this place. I'm approx. 2750 people from rolling over to full pay I'm #3033 out of 4759 You have March so your a lot closer. We accepted this job knowing we would be making less and that we could not would roll over to full pay. We also get $1 an hr up to 40 hrs a week that goes into our teshpi (401k whatever it is called)plus 4% of our pay. about 85% of the legacy that I work with hate that we are devided and work just as hard as I do. If they do decided to shut down C crew, your sitting pretty good to not get layed off. I on the other hand will be close. We can all say that person or this person voted yes to the tier 2 but voting machines can be manipulated and I think theire were more No then Yes votes. It started with Ford/IUAW! Be mad at them, not the person you work next too (unless they suck)

Your post is pure awesome of driving this point home.
Just hang in there and wait. Lots of us came in here around 1990 -1994 and within the next 10 years you will see your seniority rank get higher and higher as did mine when the people with 70's seniority retired.
Our insurance will probably never be like it was in the 90's when we had $2 prescriptions and co pays were $0, I believe, because the IUAW keeps letting the Big 3 kill us by little cuts every contract. We have given up so much that now it is expected to be even more every contract. We all need to stand up and call, walk up to, write, email, etc, Barry Ford and tell him to make our voices heard that we are tired of this shit! But for someone in his position that gets paid every Saturday and Sunday when not in the plant or office, whats he got to lose? Time sheets don't lie. Yep there are copies through out the plant.

[wildcats34]

Justaworker those are SACRIFICES!
Drop your pay down $10-11 dollars an hour. Shitty insurance. Fuck a 401k, everybody knows that doesnt hold a candle to your pension. Union past the REAL sacrifice on to incoming workers. That is the facts. Those are petty sacrifices compared to what was passed on to new workers. And yeah if I dont like it i can quit. Ive heard that before. And I might just do that depending what happens later in the year.

[wildcats34]

Look everybody deserves a raise. But to hear legacy bitch about the loss of cola and the other stuff is a joke. You still make almost $30 an hour, insurance paid for, and a pension with no education needed. Most people fail to see the grave sacrifices you talk of. Sounds to me with all the stuff you lost your still coming out smelling like a rose. If it was so bad you would of looked else where for employment.

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Jan 24, 2015 15:10:49 GMT -5 wildcats34 said:

Look everybody deserves a raise. But to hear legacy bitch about the loss of cola and the other stuff is a joke. You still make almost $30 an hour, insurance paid for, and a pension with no education needed. Most people fail to see the grave sacrifices you talk of. Sounds to me with all the stuff you lost your still coming out smelling like a rose. If it was so bad you would of looked else where for employment.

Yes, everyone deserves a raise.
Before 2nd tier was even thought of, we were fighting this BS the UAW has forced down our throats. Used to be all factory jobs paid pretty dam good, but thanks to Clinton and NAFTA that shit has changed.
You haven't had the UAW take shit from you since you been here and don't start bitching until they do take shit away. So far you have gotten a raise.
All I know if I was in your shoes I would of never taken the job at Ford as a 2nd tier worker, especially if I knew all I would be doing is bitching and complaining about 1st tier making more than me.
What did you not understand before you walked through those turn-styles out front on day one about your pay and benefits?
Did the union tell you that you would be making $30 an hour after three years during your training time? Did they tell you your benefits were going to be the same as ours after three years? If they did or did not please explain because I have a hard time feeling any pitty for you.

[wildcats34]

Hold up I rarely talk bitch about legacy workers, just when I read shit on this rumor forum.I dont think you all realize how good youve had it. Outside of the ford walls the $30 an hour jobs with no education are far few between. So the most of the time I bitch is when I read read shit about the sacrifices youve made. Obvisouly youve been here for awhile. Good for you. Trying get a job with no education. Construction work, hard work for little pay. took the job because nobody was hiring at the time. Only thing available! I like working at ford. Easy work. Ive been fortunate on the jobs ive been assigned on.

[wildcats34]

No they didnt say that after 3 years. But they definatly didnt tell the whole truth by any means. It took about ayear working in the factory asking questions to figure out the picture is not as bright as they indicated. Every class of new hires they told something different. I knew going into it we didnt have what you had. But was still told of a brighter future. It still might be pretty decent. I like the work, just need the better pay go along with it.

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Jan 24, 2015 16:00:55 GMT -5 wildcats34 said:

No they didnt say that after 3 years. But they definatly didnt tell the whole truth by any means. It took about ayear working in the factory asking questions to figure out the picture is not as bright as they indicated. Every class of new hires they told something different. I knew going into it we didnt have what you had. But was still told of a brighter future. It still might be pretty decent. I like the work, just need the better pay go along with it.

So are you saying that it would be OK for the UAW/Ford to come in and take away 10 minutes of your breaks and 3 paid vacation days and up to $5,000 of your pay a year next contract?
That would set well with people who work for our vendors that only make $10 an hour. After all, you make more than they do and better benefits.
I just don't understand your logic about how you think use uneducated inbreds are not tp be upset about losing pay and benefits over the past ten years?

Check around you bud, lots of us have degree's, some people have their Masters, but we still choose to stay here because of the time we have vested in the company.
You on the other hand are still fresh meat.
When I hired in I took a significant pay increase from my previous job. If I came in knowing I would be making the same or less doing this kind of work, I would of never walked through the gate on the 1st day.

[ihatemyjob]

You mouthy 2 tier fucks don't know anything about sacrafice. Not only did legacy give up shit to save our jobs and create jobs for you, we also did it at the cost of creating 2 tier jobs and giving away out 50hr work weeks which made us another $20k a year. Only reason you even have a job is what we gave up. So shut the fuck up.

[wildcats34]

You all crack me up. No body said or thought inbred. I know there's educated people that work there. Masters or what ever. Good for you. Majority is not. Takes high school education and somebody's relative to get them on here. All im saying is $30 an hour is great be thankful. And im tired of the 1st tier fucks saying how bad they have it when there the ones doing better than most. Education or no education.

[wildcats34]

Ihatemyjob the thing I can tell you is you shouldn't of voted that way.

[justaworker]

Wildcats, let me explain to you what sacrifice means. By definition, it means to five up something. You, have not given up anything. You have made no sacrifices. The legacy employees have made sacrifices, the sacrifices that created the job you have... You're welcome.

[wildcats34]

Thanks for giving up stuff so I can have a job. Still shouldn't have done it. I would of eventually found a $15 an hour job. At the it may of taken a little while. Now there alot more plentiful.
Its just hard to choke down all the sacrifices youve made when im doing the same job half the pay. If the roles were reversed you would be saying some of the same things ive been saying.

[justaworker]

Jan 24, 2015 16:54:06 GMT -5 wildcats34 said:

Thanks for giving up stuff so I can have a job. Still shouldn't have done it. I would of eventually found a $15 an hour job. At the it may of taken a little while. Now there alot more plentiful.
Its just hard to choke down all the sacrifices youve made when im doing the same job half the pay. If the roles were reversed you would be saying some of the same things ive been saying.

If the roles were reversed, I would understand that I am doing exactly what I signed up for.

[wildcats34]

Well pat yourself on the back your a better man than myself and most.

[justaworker]

Jan 24, 2015 17:42:50 GMT -5 wildcats34 said:

Well pat yourself on the back your a better man than myself and most.

I wouldn't say that, but you shouldn't be upset with others about the choices you have made in life.

[wildcats34]

Whether I work here or some where else, its a joke that union and its members voted on this crap. Has nothing to do with the choices ive made. Im comfortable with those.