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Post by turk182 on Jul 9, 2015 21:02:53 GMT -5
I thought standards were set only on A crew. They're adding work to jobs in my area and when they say they can't do it,they say they've been doing it on nights for 2 weeks.I'd really like an answer to this. I asked a commitee person and he said they do what they want.It gets worse every day here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 21:50:52 GMT -5
I know I'm really enjoying my union dues increase!
Solidarity only exist to those who kiss the ass of the drunken master.
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Post by turk182 on Jul 10, 2015 11:07:06 GMT -5
It's so damn sad to see how far we've sank. We need a donald trump type leader who will tell it like it is and step up to the plate. The leaders we have now are all bought and paid for. How I long for the old days when we had men to send to the table.As the membership has been divided and weakened, the other side, i.u.a.w. and ford have come together and strengthened. It would take a miracle to get a fair shake now. God help us....
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Post by lap65 on Jul 10, 2015 12:35:18 GMT -5
Quote from weekly update a few weeks ago
REBALANCE: LAP’s rebalance period is now underway. The rebalance period
began on April 13th and will continue through August 14th. All work moves will
begin on A Crew with an add/delete sit-down unless there is an agreement with
the Bargaining Committee to change the lead crew due to unavoidable issues
(medical, open job, etc). Please ensure that your District Committeeperson is
involved in any and all work move/add/delete sit-downs. Also, this is a good
time to keep communication with your counterparts on the other crews.
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Post by lap65 on Jul 10, 2015 12:40:35 GMT -5
All good info, but.....it really has never mattered to me what the other shift is doing whether I was on days or nights, they are not you & everyone is different. Do what you can within reason without running or hurting yourself, if you can't do that then you run the job as far in the hole as your tools will allow, you wont have to turn the line off, someone behind you or the upgrader will as you will be in their way or will have left unfinished work that affects something else down the line. I have never seen anyone fired for not taking on new work. They will stand & watch you, they will threaten you, they may holler at you but stand your ground if its too much work. Eventually, they will remove the new work or find another spot for you. Do not discuss with them whether you can or can't do it while you are on the line, that's a ploy they use to see if you have time to talk to them while doing the job, you only discuss it at a sitdown with union rep present. While on the line, you dont talk to them, you show them. If your union rep says "they do what they want, then you go over his head til you find someone that's earning their pay (if there are any left)but ultimately its up to you to show the company that you either will or wont do the new work. You cant say Im not going to do it, thats refusal...you have to show them.
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Post by turk182 on Jul 10, 2015 13:28:24 GMT -5
Excellent post lap65. Why do all the agreements says,unless agreed upon by the union? Why would the union agree to screw a worker? You'd have to be drunk to agree to something like that.
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Post by pmooret on Jul 10, 2015 14:07:55 GMT -5
Lap65, I agree that is a great post, almost took the words out of my mouth. The only thing I would add is don't think that if you do the job but are running your ass off they will take the work back off of you. You hold it, you own it.
turk182, I have a story about the old days that was told to me several times after I hired in but don't recall which committeeman did this, maybe someone else does. In the "Old Days" the line supervisors wore ties. When this committeeman would catch a supervisor working he would walk up to them with a pair of scissors and cut off their tie! Man would he have his hands full in Predelivery, all the bosses out there run around with hand scanners and scan units ALL NIGHT LONG. If the bosses wore ties he'd have enough material to make a quilt.
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Post by lap65 on Jul 10, 2015 14:32:46 GMT -5
I have never seen so many bosses doing work, in every dept & I don't understand why it isn't being addressed. some things we have given up & cant do anything about, but this isn't one of them & should be stopped. We finally got it stopped by one line foreman, they were actually doing the job in the kitting area because the people werent keeping up with the line, was reported over & over & kept happenening but finally union I guess got tired of being called 5 times a day & they stopped it. You have to be willing to be persistant, every day, get accused of being a whiner or whatever but if you tough it out you can get things done eventually.
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Post by turk182 on Jul 10, 2015 15:24:30 GMT -5
The week before shut down someone had work added and could'nt keep up, junk was coming down the line and the supervisor was making repairs. Our commitee person seen him and ripped his ass good.I told him he's already got my vote next election.The first time I've seen that in this plant.
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Post by lap65 on Jul 10, 2015 15:27:28 GMT -5
Everyone in that area should have been hollering at that supervisor to stop even before the rep saw them. I would turn the line off.
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Post by pmooret on Jul 10, 2015 17:29:40 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you see a supervisor working all you have to do is write down the job numbers, vins, and at the end of the week write a grievence. You get paid for every job that the supervisor works on. When they get called up front that will put a stop to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 18:33:13 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you see a supervisor working all you have to do is write down the job numbers, vins, and at the end of the week write a grievence. You get paid for every job that the supervisor works on. When they get called up front that will put a stop to it. This has been done. The grievances get lost or forgotten or by the time you get called up the supervisor is on another shift and the rep asks if you will just let it go. Plus there is A LOT of retaliation from salary over this. I got hammered pretty hard for calling out a supervisor carrying stock to the line and working on jobs to catch them up a couple of years ago. I was put on all the SHIT jobs that were out of my area ( Utility) and the union did nothing to stop this. No one else had the balls to call him out or be called as a witness up front, but they sure as Hell cried about the guy doing our jobs. Its sad that a lot of my coworkers have became so afraid to say or do anything because they fear what management will do to them and knowing the union will let it happen. Fact is, if we all stand up for ourselves this shit will stop. One persons voice isn't going to do shit. I'm not a bad ass by any means, but I will stand up for myself and say what I think and will go by the contract AS IT WAS WRITTEN, unlike our drunken leader. |
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Post by turk182 on Jul 18, 2015 9:45:46 GMT -5
3 more jobs had work added this week. All based on the work already being done on afternoons. No engineering people,union people,no add-delete meeting. They're doing it on afternoons so you have to do it.And they keep up so you better keep up too or else.How sad it is that things have come to this. Gives you an idea of whats coming in september. God help us!!!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 18, 2015 11:03:31 GMT -5
Just because a guy can do something don't mean you can?We had that problem and we started rotating the job(4) people..We all turned the line off on every job..They threatened us but we never even got a write up..After a 6 month period they gave us help EVERY day..that lasted for 2 yrs...But of course you prolly can't find four UAW workers to stand together..Now that's sad...Good luck..
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Post by turk182 on Jul 18, 2015 11:46:35 GMT -5
You got that right metalman. commitee man said he talked to superintendent at 10 a.m. and he was sending 2 people to help us. no one ever showed up.Time study was coming down after lunch. never showed.I wish I could just give up like everyone else.Damn Irish blood.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 18, 2015 12:35:27 GMT -5
Stay strong fuckem
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 15:44:53 GMT -5
You got that right metalman. commitee man said he talked to superintendent at 10 a.m. and he was sending 2 people to help us. no one ever showed up.Time study was coming down after lunch. never showed.I wish I could just give up like everyone else.Damn Irish blood. Our (Union Side) Time Study might as well take the UAW off his shirt because he sure as Hell aint on our side. To add work to jobs that are already over loaded where the operator doesn't have time to scratch their nuts, and they wonder why the shop is full of shit. |
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Post by pmooret on Jul 18, 2015 16:13:29 GMT -5
When the supervisor says they are adding work to you tell them "Call my committeeperson NOW". Once you tell the supervisor to call your union rep they have to do that. Don't forget too that you can always ask to go to First Aid (this is the Ohio Valley and you need sinus medicine) and stop by the union office on your way. OH, and a pee call too!
The other thing that was told to me years ago when they are trying to add work to your job, don't do your job in the same order/fashion as you usually do. If possible, do things backwards, opposite, out of order, etc. Be sure to blow your nose, take a sip of your drink, adjust your clothing, re-tie your shoe, tighten your belt, clean your glasses, change your gloves (have a hole in these!), look at your watch/board/monitor/ whatever has the time in your area but don't use your phone to check the time. The person on the job in front of you should automatically take their job in the hole at least once every fifteen minutes or so to throw you behind. Don't turn the line off, let the Supervisor do that or send you help, one way or the other let it fall on him. Sing/hum and keep a smiley face pasted on yours while taking this job in the hole.
TIME STUDY is not the determining factor as to whether or not work is added to a job, only a guideline. Work goes to the path of least resistance which is WHOEVER WILL TAKE IT!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 16:55:24 GMT -5
No, Time Study is not the determining factor, but it doesn't help that they no longer factor in time for you to get a drink, adjust stock or getting out of the hole. Notice when they check a job they pause their watch every time you do something personal.
Some people have been freaking out (intimidated) and they are actually hauling ass, running and doing what ever is necessary to keep up. Most are 2nd tier.
Its sad to see our union rep do an about face after the sit downs. Ass wipe never hung around to see his people getting fucked.
All you have to say is "I'm doing the best I can" and let shit go. Complain that it hurts you and go to medical. Get to know your A, B and C counterparts and talk to them and get them on the same page.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 18, 2015 18:37:30 GMT -5
We also had a rule if we go to piss and the team leader holds the job then we(the team) will vote him out and put on that job...
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Post by lap65 on Jul 18, 2015 23:35:10 GMT -5
They absolutely can't change your job without a sit down. You can refuse if they try that. Pmooret is 100% right, the only thing that determines whether you take the work or not is you.
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Post by turk182 on Jul 22, 2015 20:18:44 GMT -5
finally got my job time studied. time study and company guy both said its over loaded. we'll see how long it takes to get something taken off. i'm still in shock! lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 20:32:31 GMT -5
finally got my job time studied. time study and company guy both said its over loaded. we'll see how long it takes to get something taken off. i'm still in shock! lol Good luck with that. Same things were said on west chasis, but poor guys are still humping a double work load with no back up. |
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Post by coconut on Jul 22, 2015 21:26:58 GMT -5
This is no joke, back in the day when they were adding work to my job I worked on a short line in Chassis and they actually slowed the line down so that I would have more than enough time to do the extra work. They used to do that to everyone that got added to.They are unbelievable the things they do to add work. Always get the the persons phone number on your job from the crews before and after yours so you can keep tabs on what is going on in their shift. that way you are on the same page.LAP65 gave really good advice. Use it.I have written up grievances on supervisors many times for working. Always got paid for it too. Never had retaliation either. If ever there was I would be in Labor for harassment so fast, their heads would spin.
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Post by justaworker on Jul 23, 2015 17:58:53 GMT -5
As far as supervisors working, it's not the union reps job to stop them..... it's ours. They cut some jobs in Stock recently, and I actually had a stock boss try to bring me some materials. I refused it, told him he was way out of line, and he left and came back with a stock employee to hand me my stuff.
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