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Post by Ex-metalman on Jul 30, 2015 8:02:03 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out how we have not gained anything in the last 10 yrs (raises,cola,bonus checks from the government etc) when the democrats have been in office 7 of those yrs?But I hear the dems are union backers?Seems like the Big Co.s like ford have been making a killing during this time period.I thought republicans were for THE MAN?Only jobs that have been created are lower paying ones(low tier)?Oh they raised minimum wage so you can work at McDonald's and support a family..Lol.Those jobs were originally made for high school kids or a retiree..I think there's more republicans for the working man than we think..They maybe RTW but I don't think they will force the UAW out.GO TRUMP!!!
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Post by cal50 on Jul 30, 2015 13:10:08 GMT -5
Unions back the Dem's or anyone with a "D" next to their name.
To blindly back only one party each and every time is suggesting that only that party and any candidate they endorse is always the best choice over anyone else running against them. Its a statistical impossibility.
The UAW has lost its focus and direction IMHO and comparing the integrity between the company and the UAW the company is far more predictable and honest IMHO.
The UAW loves forced membership and no right to work option for those paying dues.
Imagine a restaurant that has crappy food and service but you still have to pay. If you are not forced to pay they lose customers and will go out of business. If they are really good people will come to dine there.
I do not see other workers flocking to join the UAW and the millions they spend on "organizing" is a running joke that spans decades. Money wasted on politics is another blatant waste of dues money that should be spent on the people paying the dues or our workplace.
Right to work has zero impact on unions IF those members are pleased with what they receive.
If not the vote with the wallet gets quick attention.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Aug 4, 2015 7:22:04 GMT -5
This is the year that Michigan can start jumping ship costing the UAW millions and putting them closer to bankruptcy...we have to receive hourly gains this contract or I predict 15-20% stop paying union dues in Michigan.
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Post by justaworker on Aug 8, 2015 20:53:34 GMT -5
Bet it would be much more than that, Scott. I expect 10% to quit paying either way. Why pay $70 a month, when you really don't have to?
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Post by cal50 on Aug 9, 2015 0:49:38 GMT -5
I bet a large number opt out and if Ohio ever gets the option to do the same the numbers will increase.
If the only way you can keep or retain members are by forced membership and dues it does not say much for that organization. The UAW has only themselves to blame.
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Post by saugerman on Aug 9, 2015 8:05:26 GMT -5
Bet it would be much more than that, Scott. I expect 10% to quit paying either way. Why pay $70 a month, when you really don't have to? Considering how little they do for us anymore they are lucky to get anything. When is the last time you have had any of the upper union guys even walk through the plant? (except election time?) I remember years ago a union steward telling a supervisor.."The people on the floor run the plant..not management....Well turnabout is fair play the upper echelon in the UAW doesn't run the union...the worker sweating and paying with blood on the shop floor DOES!!!! Don't believe me on this one? When the money gets cut off in the RTW states see who will be crying then..Might do them well to remember what it feels like to get beat down day in day out like the worker who hasn't had a raise in 10 plus years..or the tier 2 who's job future is in limbo not knowing where they will be in 10 years. Attention UAW the fat lady has sung and left the building. We have had enough of being told "they can do that"...or maybe next time we can get back some of what you gave up in good faith to turn FoMoCo around to be profitable.When RTW hits Ky and people start opting out in droves and your roly-poly asses have to come down to the floor to find a real job... ain't karma a bitch?  ? |
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Post by cal50 on Aug 9, 2015 10:28:34 GMT -5
I put the UAW representation on the same level as paying for home or car insurance. You think someone has your back until you actually have a claim then find out how good or bad your coverage actually is.
I have been at Ford for +15 years in two different plants. 13 years in a plant that was sold and closed and currently in another assy. plant. We had a good local union at the closed plant.
My current plants union and management is a total joke. Our BC is the biggest joke of all and he is currently sitting on the UAW national negotiating mass of people.
Look at the masses of black shirts we are all paying for......
Too bad the UAW disabled comment on the video, they must be worried about something, lol.
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Post by kywildcat on Sept 22, 2015 23:05:39 GMT -5
I have heard that if the union takes over health care, then any of the right to work fools that opt out will not get coverage because they are out of the union. Not sure how true this is and I can't find any literature for this.
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Post by justaworker on Sept 24, 2015 1:02:00 GMT -5
I have heard that if the union takes over health care, then any of the right to work fools that opt out will not get coverage because they are out of the union. Not sure how true this is and I can't find any literature for this. I doubt that true. I've read you are still entitled to all benefits regardless of whether you opt out of paying dues. BUT, I haven't been able to verify my opinions. I've though about calling the secretary of states office to ask, but since we don't have right to work laws here yet... The law is not written. |
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Post by saugerman on Sept 24, 2015 2:48:50 GMT -5
This is the year that Michigan can start jumping ship costing the UAW millions and putting them closer to bankruptcy...we have to receive hourly gains this contract or I predict 15-20% stop paying union dues in Michigan. I agree with you I just think your numbers are low. The vote at FCA goes south like I bet it will; the exodus will begin within hours of the vote. |
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Post by saugerman on Sept 24, 2015 2:49:59 GMT -5
I have heard that if the union takes over health care, then any of the right to work fools that opt out will not get coverage because they are out of the union. Not sure how true this is and I can't find any literature for this. I doubt that true. I've read you are still entitled to all benefits regardless of whether you opt out of paying dues. BUT, I haven't been able to verify my opinions. I've though about calling the secretary of states office to ask, but since we don't have right to work laws here yet... The law is not written. And the law can probably vary from state to state |
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Post by saugerman on Sept 24, 2015 2:50:55 GMT -5
I put the UAW representation on the same level as paying for home or car insurance. You think someone has your back until you actually have a claim then find out how good or bad your coverage actually is. I have been at Ford for +15 years in two different plants. 13 years in a plant that was sold and closed and currently in another assy. plant. We had a good local union at the closed plant. My current plants union and management is a total joke. Our BC is the biggest joke of all and he is currently sitting on the UAW national negotiating mass of people. Look at the masses of black shirts we are all paying for...... Too bad the UAW disabled comment on the video, they must be worried about something, lol. you think? ?  |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 24, 2015 5:04:57 GMT -5
This is the year that Michigan can start jumping ship costing the UAW millions and putting them closer to bankruptcy...we have to receive hourly gains this contract or I predict 15-20% stop paying union dues in Michigan. I agree with you I just think your numbers are low. The vote at FCA goes south like I bet it will; the exodus will begin within hours of the vote. I kept thinking it was just Michigan...didn't realize Indiana and Wisconsin (I think) are two more that can opt out when these rags are signed. Any other states? |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 24, 2015 5:06:23 GMT -5
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Post by saugerman on Sept 24, 2015 12:40:16 GMT -5
Indiana has four plants connected to FCA; Indiana Transmission; Indianapolis Foundry; Kokomo Casting; Kokomo Transmission The Kokomo casting plant is the largest die casting plant in the world...foundry work is some of the hardest most dangerous of all work in an automotive plant..they shit on those people and I am willing to bet they will jump all over RTW. The only automotive plant in Wisconsin is harley...... |
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Post by saugerman on Sept 24, 2015 12:48:45 GMT -5
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 24, 2015 12:56:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw the number in Wisconsin was very small...Indiana and Michigan will really hurt the UAW though.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 24, 2015 12:57:15 GMT -5
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Post by lazyeye on Nov 7, 2015 13:05:29 GMT -5
How could the Union ever say that Jack Ass Conway was for the working man. When he ran against Ann Northup his biggest campaign donations came not from the UAW but the Sierra Club, The ons wantng to eliminate our jobs our trucks. He also supported the ACA (Obama care) which was the single biggest tax hike on the American worker in the history of any sitting President. He calls himself a Christian but he is (pro removal of God and Christ from the public venue, Pro abortion, Pro Homosexuality.) I would say he is a very quality Catolic/ Christian. But he says he is for the working man and thats all he has to say to get our Clown patrol to give him the nod.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 10, 2015 16:37:22 GMT -5
All but $3,000 of the over $2 million donated to politics by the UAW has been given to the Dems...they're for the working people.
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Post by panheadred on Nov 12, 2015 8:47:18 GMT -5
This is the year that Michigan can start jumping ship costing the UAW millions and putting them closer to bankruptcy...we have to receive hourly gains this contract or I predict 15-20% stop paying union dues in Michigan.
Don't get me wrong, I am and always will be a Union man. However, when I read page 4A of the new National Agreement, it appears the UAW has inserted language that makes it a requirement to be a member of the union to work at FoMoCo ?
" Union Shop
Section 1. Requirement of Union Membership
Employees covered by this Agreement at the time it becomes
effective and who are members of the Union at that time
shall be required as a condition of continued employment to
continue membership in the Union for the duration of this
Agreement. Employees covered by this Agreement who are not
members of the Union at the time this Agreement becomes
effective shall be required as a condition of continued
employment to become members of the Union on or within ten
days after the 30th day following §.eptember xx, 2015
October ~41 ~011.
Employees hired, rehired, reinstated or transferred into the Bargaining Unit after xx 201 Ootober 241 ~and covered by this Agreement shall be required as a condition of continued employment to become members of the Union on or within ten days after the 30th day following the beginning of their employment.
An employee who shall tender the initiation fees (if not already a member) and the periodic dues uniformly required as a condition of acquiring or retaining membership shall be deemed to meet this condition.
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a 10/22/15
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 12, 2015 13:23:27 GMT -5
Time will tell...when those that seek to stop paying dues in Michigan and the other states, they will find out I assume?
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Post by machination on Nov 17, 2015 15:33:01 GMT -5
The Democrats could be doing a lot more to support the working class in this country that's for sure, that's one reason (of many) why I'm an independent belonging to no party, but since the Republican Party is openly anti-union and would love to weaken if not completely destroy unions leaving the working-class at the total mercy of companies without any voice whatsoever to improve anything in their work-life whatsoever (wages, benefits, working conditions, etc..), I'm afraid we're stuck with the democrats being the only major party of the two that at least pretends to support us. I'm just going by what I hear out of Republican politicians own mouths. Their own words, not mine. It's not like they try to hide it. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 17, 2015 15:42:14 GMT -5
The Democrats could be doing a lot more to support the working class in this country that's for sure, that's one reason (of many) why I'm an independent belonging to no party, but since the Republican Party is openly anti-union and would love to weaken if not completely destroy unions leaving the working-class at the total mercy of companies without any voice whatsoever to improve anything in their work-life whatsoever (wages, benefits, working conditions, etc..), I'm afraid we're stuck with the democrats being the only major party of the two that at least pretends to support us. I'm just going by what I hear out of Republican politicians own mouths. Their own words, not mine. It's not like they try to hide it. Yep I guess I'm a lil of each?Prolly no name for what I am?I don't like ALOT of the Dem stances and I don't like a FEW of the Reps so it's hard..I look at my morals and I see Republican..But I damn sure ain't anti UNION! |
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