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Post by TonyV on Aug 11, 2015 22:00:57 GMT -5
After I walked out of the union meeting tonight, I had the pleasure to talk to LTS employees and two-tier employees from LAP. Most were from trim where I spent my time in that plant. |They explained the jobs they did(I remember the wire jobs, etc. completely.) I found it astonishing they were not complaining about task, injury, or two-tier wage. They were just hungry for general information. One ex-marine shook my hand just for passing along basic information.
That is when I knew I failed the new membership.
You see, when I came into Ford, the old timers explained many things to me. They explained the importance of saving, learning the contract, understanding how to protect yourself from management, how to protect yourself from injury, how to not add work to a job, show up every day, and most important to me - how to communicate with your coworkers to cover the customer - the most important of all. (Yes, they also took great pride in telling me to "Lay in there and get it" - also! LOL)
It made me realize the elected union only has a small portion of the responsibility in communication. Everyone on the floor collectively ARE the union. It is my responsibility to share what I have learned over the years through experience and from being tutored by the elected officials. And after a resurgence in hiring that is taking place at a fast clip, I have failed to pass along much needed information to the most vulnerable of the ones around me.
I hope I can improve my communication skills to the ones that need it the most. I hope we all take the new hires under our wings and improve their lives at Ford to some degree while giving them the information they desperately need.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Aug 12, 2015 5:49:25 GMT -5
From what one of my favorite brothers at LAP told me, the number of suckasses is what's most astonishing. Too many think it's a contest to see who can build the most trucks, won't fight work, won't play the game...ruining it for everyone. I do understand I have no idea how bad the job situation is currently and many are lucky to be here even at their pathetic underpaid wages. Hopefully when they get "time served", they will learn to work at a calm pace and realize FoMoCo doesn't give two shits about them or their families...we are all just a small cog in this fucked up place to work. One would think when they get their 90 in, they would lose some of that "I would bleed and die for FoMoCo" attitude.
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Post by thevocalmajority on Aug 13, 2015 20:40:04 GMT -5
From what one of my favorite brothers at LAP told me, the number of suckasses is what's most astonishing. Too many think it's a contest to see who can build the most trucks, won't fight work, won't play the game...ruining it for everyone. I do understand I have no idea how bad the job situation is currently and many are lucky to be here even at their pathetic underpaid wages. Hopefully when they get "time served", they will learn to work at a calm pace and realize FoMoCo doesn't give two shits about them or their families...we are all just a small cog in this fucked up place to work. One would think when they get their 90 in, they would lose some of that "I would bleed and die for FoMoCo" attitude. All added work goes through A crew they are the ones responsible for any addition to the work load! We only "try" it once they have signed off on it.
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Post by fordoval on Aug 13, 2015 22:55:15 GMT -5
It's always the entry levels fault.
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Post by swins24 on Aug 14, 2015 2:47:13 GMT -5
Eactly what I was thinking ford Oval, it aint like we were here to vote on the contract that fucked future employee's for years to come. I here comments from legacy employee saying all the time that entry level dont have a clue. Obviously legacy employee dont have a clue it was they not us that sold us future employee out for the petty bonus bullshit as contract that they voted for not Entry level. On a side note if this next shitty contract get voted in without a strike or without getting voted down several times guess who the blame will be on? you guessed it us entry level guys.
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Post by gator on Aug 14, 2015 12:43:51 GMT -5
Don't fall for the arguments to put us against each other, I understand the pay differential but realistically it took me 3 years to get to top pay and some of the new hires are getting their faster than I did. Let's work unified and not separate that's the only way things are going to get better. Voting against each other is exactly what management wants, legacy employees know their union rights by now, we need to inform and communicate to the new hires so they understand the "GAME". Teach them how to win by using the tools we are given. Health and safety, process, and ergonomics are their to use if used properly. I don't include time studies because every time I've tried that avenue it comes back to bite me via union representation signatures.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 14, 2015 12:48:56 GMT -5
Exactly if the jobs over loaded and you run your ass off,just play the game..All they care about is the line running.When you shut it down theyll threaten you with R&Ws ,time off or even fired,but n reality you'll probably just get moved off the job..The two tier thing is just a way to separate us..
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Post by fordoval on Aug 14, 2015 13:21:43 GMT -5
Don't fall for the arguments to put us against each other, I understand the pay differential but realistically it took me 3 years to get to top pay and some of the new hires are getting their faster than I did. Let's work unified and not separate that's the only way things are going to get better. Voting against each other is exactly what management wants, legacy employees know their union rights by now, we need to inform and communicate to the new hires so they understand the "GAME". Teach them how to win by using the tools we are given. Health and safety, process, and ergonomics are their to use if used properly. I don't include time studies because every time I've tried that avenue it comes back to bite me via union representation signatures. Their isn't one single entry level employee in KTP that has made it top pay faster than 3 year. Their top pay is 19 an hour. And not 1 person in our plant has made it new legacy or what the hell ever. Even tho their overall percentage of the company is like 29% nation wide. Even more company wide. Most of the time I see people play "THE GAME". Is just a one or two day debate. And then they add the work anyways. Understand that when day shift signs off on the job. And night shift had an entry level, or an LTS on that job they are still trying to prove their worth. So more of the pressure rest on the shoulders of the day shifters to not let it happen. And we wouldn't have to coach night shift how to work the jobs that we signed off on.
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Post by gator on Aug 14, 2015 14:59:46 GMT -5
Not so fast my friend, some people don't have the mentality to overcome. I've been on nights my whole life and have had work moved numerous times with my latest being less than a month ago. You have to be smarter than the "GAME". It's not really that hard when 75% of management are people that didn't make it on the line! that means they don't want to deal with work or real issues so all you have to do is out last them even if it means taking a R&W that will be removed. All they want is the line to run smooth so they can play on their computers, continue to interrupt their computer time and they will eventually give in. Proven 85.5% of the time.
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Post by fordoval on Aug 14, 2015 15:19:37 GMT -5
I'm not saying they don't move work on nights. But day shift sets the standards on all jobs. So don't really know where your going with that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 15:32:04 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, if ur job is getting work added on nights that's not being done on days, ur team leader is a worthless suckass. This is an issue the union will and does back you on. Team leaders should communicate between shifts. If u have doubts come in erly and talk to the dayshift operator.
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Post by gator on Aug 14, 2015 15:32:33 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying now, I slightly took you out of context.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 14, 2015 16:11:22 GMT -5
Still yet if dayshift holds it and your on another shift and decide you can't hold it there's still nothing they can do..If you stick with it they will send you home and eventually take you off that job..Seen it happen numerous times in trim..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 18:08:30 GMT -5
U r correct sir. I could give some specific examples, but I won't. Just this: if u cry every time they put u on a job in final, u can end up on the drive team.
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Post by rkr on Aug 16, 2015 12:49:51 GMT -5
they can add all the work they want, if you work at a working pace but cannot finish the job in station, then shut the line down.They can bitch and moan and threat all they want, but there is nothing more that they can do.. Just don't miss an element because then they can write you up.yeah been here on the line for 20 plus I don't run and often turn line off when needed and no I have never been written up for it!
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Post by william on Aug 17, 2015 8:38:24 GMT -5
If you dont want to make 19 hour quit.If you dont want to make over 30 an hour as we old timers retire or die then quit. Nothing wrong wirh trying to get more but we are sick of you new people telling us we sold you out. You don't have a clue,most voted how the union wanted us to.Times where very bad for us.
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Post by swins24 on Aug 17, 2015 12:09:01 GMT -5
Just like us new people are tired of you older or legacy people telling us that we do not have a clue and that we will vote for anything. when the fact is we have not voted for anything at ford yet other than the union reps whome we only see once or maybe twice a month. You say times were hard back then so you sell out the future of new employee by voting in the contract we have today. You say if it werent for legacy giving up concessions and other benifits us new guys would not even be here. Well thats not are fault, thats yours. like you guys say your number 1 priority is you. So why did you legacys vote for it. Ill tell you why. It was to save your own ass and to protect your own job. it wasnt for new hires. So miss me with that bullshit. Alot of us entry level workers are ok with 19/hr for the time being, but were hoping to improve our wage just like everyone else. Dont blame us for what you did or voted for in the past. We understand that you were not prepared to loose your job and the company took advantage of that.So with that said us entry level worker will make sure that you guys wont make the same mistake twice were not scared to loose 19/hr 19/ hr is easy to find else were. however 28.00 will make you sell out the future i assume.
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Post by nra4life on Aug 17, 2015 13:10:18 GMT -5
Just like us new people are tired of you older or legacy people telling us that we do not have a clue and that we will vote for anything. when the fact is we have not voted for anything at ford yet other than the union reps whome we only see once or maybe twice a month. You say times were hard back then so you sell out the future of new employee by voting in the contract we have today. You say if it werent for legacy giving up concessions and other benifits us new guys would not even be here. Well thats not are fault, thats yours. like you guys say your number 1 priority is you. So why did you legacys vote for it. Ill tell you why. It was to save your own ass and to protect your own job. it wasnt for new hires. So miss me with that bullshit. Alot of us entry level workers are ok with 19/hr for the time being, but were hoping to improve our wage just like everyone else. Dont blame us for what you did or voted for in the past. We understand that you were not prepared to loose your job and the company took advantage of that.So with that said us entry level worker will make sure that you guys wont make the same mistake twice were not scared to loose 19/hr 19/ hr is easy to find else were. however 28.00 will make you sell out the future i assume. Is english your first language? You write like a goddamn chinaman
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Post by swins24 on Aug 17, 2015 15:23:05 GMT -5
wriring from a android smart watch is kinda hard while working. you aint mad are you?
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Post by swins24 on Aug 17, 2015 15:35:02 GMT -5
To the other poster, I left a job making 26.00/ hr at General Mills where i worked an hour, and breaked an hour, because the Union there was in charge and not management. True enough, the bakers union ran General Mills out of town. However, they did not sell out, they stuck to their guns and so the company decided to relocate.If you'd like, i can edit the other post since we have english teacher on here.
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Post by saugerman on Aug 17, 2015 15:35:48 GMT -5
wriring from a android smart watch is kinda hard while working. you aint mad are you? they pay people for riding on the little bus?
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Post by det309 on Aug 17, 2015 16:05:46 GMT -5
I never put anything on here, but somethings have struck a nerve. I'm tired of 2 tier crying about pay. You knew what you were going to get when u hired in. Us so called old timers have not had a raise in 12yrs, but 2 tier deserves one?. Alot of these kids, and yes im calling them kids dont have a clue what work is. 20plus yrs ago a hoist was a luxury, never heard of a happy seat. You walked out of the plant earning your money. We would be right back the next day. We never went to medical unless it was to fight a job. We never had 5 family members we claimed FMLA on. The young people cant fight jobs because most are already vip at medical. I use to care about my coworkers, now i just want my 8yrs and go. There was a thing call work ethic, not anymore. The day we get what we are owed I'll vote yes. I'm just hoping we keep what we have, and the younger generation learns to fight and not everything is given to you
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Post by lap65 on Aug 17, 2015 22:02:14 GMT -5
You have time to read this forum & reply to it while working??? And you have how many years? Wow
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