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Post by pmooret on Oct 29, 2015 6:05:13 GMT -5
Better vote down the local agreement Sunday. If the company and union are fighting over the interpretation of the language there is no reason to vote for something that is already that ambiguous. Never mind the fine print, hell they can't even agree on the highlights. Why would you vote in something that is already in dispute? If you look at the highlights you'll see where they want to separate Final into three departments, Trim, Chassis, and Final so that they can equalize overtime. It states that utilities will be assigned to the new final area by seniority. Sounds okay, right? Depends on who is interpreting. The Union says there is "X" number of Utility positions in Final and they will survey "X" number of Utilities in all three departments, all shifts, and move them to Final. Current utilities in Final will be moved to the vacated Utility spots in Trim and Chassis created by the survey. The Company says no that's not what they agreed to. They say the current Utilities in Final will be grandfathered in, which has been the usual and customary practice for the entire 30 years that I've been here, and that any NEW openings will be surveyed for according to seniority. Word is the company and union had a meeting on Wednesday to iron this out but no one has heard anything. There is one utility in final who has been there 14 years, came by survey in the old days but they don't want to honor the old survey. BULLSHIT. You get a different story on how this is going down from each supervisor and each committee person that you ask. So how can they expect us to vote on a contract that has language IN THE HIGHLIGHTS that is so ambiguous that even they can't agree on it?  |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 29, 2015 7:05:49 GMT -5
Typical...
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Post by nra4life on Oct 29, 2015 8:10:39 GMT -5
company will agree to what the union ask for, in exchange final will run 11.00 for a year, HBO & NFL network will be added to the channels in the breakroom, thats is of course once the TVs are added that were promised 4 years ago.........promise you something like this will occur. "Worlds Worst Negotiators"
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 29, 2015 15:01:48 GMT -5
Hey you're getting a jacket !!!Ungreatful auto worker!
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Post by beenaround on Oct 29, 2015 15:14:48 GMT -5
Well almost^. You get a $50 voucher towards that jacket. What a joke! They can keep it!!!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 29, 2015 15:35:03 GMT -5
I'll take aa $50 gift card to Chick fila
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Post by Ex-metalman on Oct 29, 2015 15:37:44 GMT -5
No shit..I've never understood why a gym,parking lots,jackets,Gatorade machines,etc..Would be in a contract?I wanna know about ,rules (AWOL should be 12 months)money,retirement,insurance.etc..
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Post by legacywannabe on Oct 29, 2015 17:27:34 GMT -5
Most people I have talked to said they are going to vote no on the local LAP contract. I have yet to hear one person say they are voting yes to it.
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Post by justaworker on Oct 29, 2015 18:20:17 GMT -5
Most people I have talked to said they are going to vote no on the local LAP contract. I have yet to hear one person say they are voting yes to it. Curious, why are they voting no? What is not in there that they wanted. Full disclosure, it's not important enough for me to go vote on. |
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Post by w84me on Oct 30, 2015 8:31:58 GMT -5
The tactic is whomever is in attendance at Sundays meeting gets to vote. Smart thinking on they're part to get it passed, yet shady.
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Post by legacywannabe on Oct 30, 2015 11:49:11 GMT -5
Most are voting no because they don't care about ac in the restrooms and parking lot restriped. A lot of people want Gatorade available at a lower temperature. Some want the new weight room finished that was negotiated a few contracts ago instead of getting new flooring in the old weight room. Chairman said he was going to get 2 ordering periods for uniform vouchers. They told the membership that all the line speed increases and extra hours would pay off in negotiations. That was a big lie. We get parking lot redone and ac in the restrooms. What a joke.
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Post by rockyt on Oct 30, 2015 14:43:29 GMT -5
Don't forget that we still do not have the WiFi in the break rooms that was promised last contract.
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Post by caprudedawg on Oct 30, 2015 15:16:32 GMT -5
Most people I have talked to said they are going to vote no on the local LAP contract. I have yet to hear one person say they are voting yes to it. I still haven't found anyone that voted yes on the first round of concessions. |
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Post by legacywannabe on Oct 30, 2015 16:36:33 GMT -5
Don't forget that we still do not have the WiFi in the break rooms that was promised last contract. The WiFi was negotiated that the uaw could install. It was never negotiated to make the company do it. Since its going to cost money out of the union funds they probably will not install it throughout the plant. |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Oct 30, 2015 18:17:19 GMT -5
Great time for one of our local bargainers to jump ship.
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Post by pmooret on Oct 30, 2015 23:27:59 GMT -5
Great time for one of our local bargainers to jump ship. Would love for someone to spill the beans on this. I only got one very vague sentence. |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Oct 31, 2015 7:37:23 GMT -5
Let's here it pmooret ?
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Post by pmooret on Oct 31, 2015 11:22:22 GMT -5
I am not in the group that is affected by this fiasco thus have not been privy to what is going on and only heard the vague sentence from one person. I don't have the scoop, only one vague sentence but it did include the same noun that you used, BARGAINER, so obviously no coincidence. The fiasco that I stated in the original post was conveyed to me by several people of outstanding character whom I consider creditable so the post itself is very true. The meeting tomorrow will be very interesting.
Although I think that this is the wrong avenue to take to rectify the overtime situation, that is not why I started the thread. I started it because I think that everyone should know that the folks who are negotiating our contract apparently have problems with comprehension, or maybe just one of them, and apparently need to attend anger management classes or may need to be seen for mental health issues since obviously they heard something in the negotiations that the others didn't hear, voices maybe. The one vague sentence that was conveyed to me also included the word vendetta. If one Bargainer has a vendetta the rest of them should quell it since it makes all of them look incompetent. Again, I do not know what the original altercation was that started this, only that it was one person from the group affected and one Bargainer. Our Bargainers are suppose to be somewhat professional and this fiasco hurts all of them. It is also somewhat embarrassing. I just don't see voting on a contract that has ambiguous language. This vote should be postponed until the language can be corrected to clarify which avenue they intend to take. Whichever avenue they agree upon should be spelled out with all of the I's dotted and T's crossed, not this vague ambiguous language that they think is fit for a contract.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Oct 31, 2015 20:34:01 GMT -5
I heard the same thing from a very reliable source myself. It's a shame those guys have to act like that. This local here is really becoming a joke. We really need new blood from the top to the bottom. Just my opinion.
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Post by Jr on Nov 1, 2015 14:21:01 GMT -5
I heard the same thing from a very reliable source myself. It's a shame those guys have to act like that. This local here is really becoming a joke. We really need new blood from the top to the bottom. Just my opinion. WOW Something we agree Upon! |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 1, 2015 15:29:06 GMT -5
We probably agree on alot JR. I just word things definitely. Wasn't able to make the meeting today had prior obligations. Anyone have any updates or feed back ? Thank you
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Post by rc38 on Nov 1, 2015 17:35:28 GMT -5
I did my part and voted hell no
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Post by lapworker on Nov 1, 2015 21:26:44 GMT -5
Contact was voted down
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