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Post by ronperry on Nov 10, 2015 13:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 10, 2015 14:26:19 GMT -5
I'd say a lot of existing TLs will be out...
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 10, 2015 14:26:27 GMT -5
I'd say a lot of existing TLs will be out... I've only had a few good ones, so I hope you're right. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 10, 2015 15:33:33 GMT -5
Think the AWOL thing will clear a lot out...
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Post by lowered150 on Nov 10, 2015 18:07:47 GMT -5
I'd say a lot of existing TLs will be out... I hope your right! There is one is stamping that needs to be booted! |
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Post by rimfirejunkie on Nov 10, 2015 19:14:14 GMT -5
The hourly supervisor thing WAS a joke!
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Post by ronperry on Nov 11, 2015 8:24:36 GMT -5
Seems to me the company is wanting to hand choose them. When I was in trim I along with a lot of the people that I would want to be team leader had r&w's most of the time for not running when our jobs were overloaded. With this language they would be out.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Nov 11, 2015 8:48:29 GMT -5
We haven't had teams, team meetings or anything resembling a team in years. You can't have a team in a union situation. It will never work. WE ARE NOT TOYOTA!
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Post by ronperry on Nov 11, 2015 9:04:30 GMT -5
You are right, but I would rather the person that deals with management from the "cluster" of people that I work with be on my side rather than theirs.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2015 9:06:27 GMT -5
I've had a FEW goods TLs thru the years but as everyone that gets ELECTED they end up turning a cold shoulder to the members of the team and worrying about their lazy selves..I've even had a few that acted like they were management and now they are...Which is fine but wait til you are before you fuck over the team..
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Post by ronperry on Nov 11, 2015 9:09:31 GMT -5
Sad but true metalman.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 11, 2015 9:13:48 GMT -5
I had one that docked my pay daily if I left early after finishing my relief...blew my mind. I'm still a fan of bidding them by seniority and calling them "upgraders"...you still end up with good ones and shitty ones, but I had a lot of good upgraders and a few shitty ones vs. the opposite for TLs.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 11, 2015 9:14:49 GMT -5
When you give someone a title like LEADER, their heads swell to the size of State Fair award winning pumpkins. It's too late at this plant, the team concept has killed morale/work environment.
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Post by ronperry on Nov 11, 2015 9:23:46 GMT -5
A case can be made for both ways. I believe we went down that road. Honoring seniority is never a bad thing. Not wanting something as subjective as a company/union interview to be the determining factor.
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Post by brizzel on Nov 11, 2015 9:25:10 GMT -5
When you give someone a title like LEADER, their heads swell to the size of State Fair award winning pumpkins. It's too late at this plant, the team concept has killed morale/work environment. That is exactly what it is like on B crew!! |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2015 9:33:35 GMT -5
Don't understand why each team doesn't start at the top of seniority list asking each member till someone takes it.Then after 1yr you start at the person under the current TL and ask again??Sounds super easy.But for some reason the Co likes the popularity contest.I guess so they can sway him or her easier?
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 11, 2015 12:12:33 GMT -5
You should run for something Mr.Metal. You have all the answer's sir. LMAO !
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2015 12:21:13 GMT -5
You should go jump off the Sherman Minton!!!Chuckle ,chuckle,laugh laugh..
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2015 12:23:17 GMT -5
On second thought ,,don't do that all the poor fish will die.....LMAO!!!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 11, 2015 12:31:05 GMT -5
Feel the love.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 11, 2015 13:35:58 GMT -5
It's all good Scott. Thanks for trying to keep this site as civil as you possibly can. We all are blessed seriously
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Post by pmooret on Nov 11, 2015 14:02:33 GMT -5
You should run for something Mr.Metal. You have all the answer's sir. LMAO ! Someone who is smart enough to have the answers is also smart enough not to run for office.  ![]() [/IMG] |
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Post by earlybreak on Nov 11, 2015 18:10:52 GMT -5
Scott says we are exempt from the team leader language. It states in contract locals can ask for exemption from this issue of team leaders. Same as last contract where we were exempt from that team leader language. All will stay the same at KTP with electing team leaders and the 2yr term.
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Post by brizzel on Nov 11, 2015 18:24:17 GMT -5
2 years is too long!
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Post by ronperry on Nov 11, 2015 19:23:06 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up earlybreak!
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