ccrewdummie
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Post by ccrewdummie on Nov 17, 2015 23:12:36 GMT -5
LAP RESULTS
LAP RESULTS
Production against 2383, production for 1098
Skilled trades against 202, skilled trades for 123
DID NOT PASS
KTP RESULTS
Production against 1995
Production for 1069
Skill trades against 346
Skill trades for 189
DID NOT PASS
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Post by coconut on Nov 17, 2015 23:17:07 GMT -5
Thank God people have good sense that work here.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 17, 2015 23:17:57 GMT -5
Great turnout, save your money $$$
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Post by coconut on Nov 17, 2015 23:18:22 GMT -5
Yes I was a NO
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 18, 2015 1:22:24 GMT -5
And now you know why the UAW is about to bully 600 into supporting this turd.
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Post by justaworker on Nov 18, 2015 1:26:50 GMT -5
It's weird, these plants passed the crappy 2011 agreement that didn't have raises, or cola, and got the two tier going in full force. Then, vote down an agreement that had raises, great bonuses, significant investments and eliminated two tier.
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Post by fordlapworker1993 on Nov 18, 2015 1:36:47 GMT -5
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Post by pmooret on Nov 18, 2015 1:59:27 GMT -5
Did the math:
LAP PRODUCTION
NO 68.5%
YES 31.5%
SKILLED TRADES
NO 62%
YES 38%
KTP PRODUCTION
NO 65%
YES 35%
SKILLED TRADES
NO 65%
YES 35%
LOCAL 862 TOTALS
PRODUCTION
NO 67%
YES 33%
SKILLED TRADES
NO 64%
YES 36%
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Post by beaner on Nov 18, 2015 2:14:45 GMT -5
Is there anywhere you can view the overall numbers?
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Post by pmooret on Nov 18, 2015 2:23:47 GMT -5
It's weird, these plants passed the crappy 2011 agreement that didn't have raises, or cola, and got the two tier going in full force. Then, vote down an agreement that had raises, great bonuses, significant investments and eliminated two tier. In 2011 the economy was still crappy. Now every article I read says that Ford is earning RECORD PROFITS. One article even said that net income is up 129% over last year. I don't mind helping out but damn enough is enough. If we don't take the raises for ourselves corporate will, I've seen them do it! A lot of insults in this contract when you take into account the bottom line. |
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Nov 18, 2015 3:04:22 GMT -5
LAP RESULTS LAP RESULTS Production against 2383, production for 1098 Skilled trades against 202, skilled trades for 123 DID NOT PASS KTP RESULTS Production against 1995 Production for 1069 Skill trades against 346 Skill trades for 189 DID NOT PASS Never been so proud of my union here |
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Post by ktpb1otch on Nov 18, 2015 4:29:06 GMT -5
I agree last 2 contracts offered absolutely nothing and gets passed yet this 1 has made progress and gets slammed down. You cannot get back in 1 contract what we have lost in 10 years. If anybody thinks this contract will come back better after its rejected disappointment will follow. And sorry but uh yeah un 2011 the company was profitable and still got passed. I hope every new person that voted this down has their butt on the picket line ready to back their vote up if a strike comes!
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Post by ktpb1otch on Nov 18, 2015 4:29:17 GMT -5
I agree last 2 contracts offered absolutely nothing and gets passed yet this 1 has made progress and gets slammed down. You cannot get back in 1 contract what we have lost in 10 years. If anybody thinks this contract will come back better after its rejected disappointment will follow. And sorry but uh yeah un 2011 the company was profitable and still got passed. I hope every new person that voted this down has their butt on the picket line ready to back their vote up if a strike comes!
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Post by sparky369 on Nov 18, 2015 4:57:35 GMT -5
I don't think ANYONE believes we will get back ALL that was given up in one contract. I do believe that people expect more. I do believe there are some real issues that have to be resolved to make some real progress. I believe COLA is a HUGE deal to most. I think they could give smaller raises/bonus and re-instate COLA and it would be a huge step in the right direction. I believe you have to have your 2nd tier making bigger strides toward full pay in the front of the contract rather than have it re-negotiated in the next contract, which we know it will.
On the skilled trades side I believe you have to make AWS pay premium when your forced to work every other weekend and/or offer traditional shifts for the higher seniority trades. I think a "standard" 12 hour work day for skilled trades is completely rediculous in any shape or form. I can not will not and do not support AWS as the ONLY shifts available for skilled trades. As long as that's the only option available my vote will be NO.
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Post by justaworker on Nov 18, 2015 5:07:09 GMT -5
I don't think ANYONE believes we will get back ALL that was given up in one contract. I do believe that people expect more. I do believe there are some real issues that have to be resolved to make some real progress. I believe COLA is a HUGE deal to most. I think they could give smaller raises/bonus and re-instate COLA and it would be a huge step in the right direction. I believe you have to have your 2nd tier making bigger strides toward full pay in the front of the contract rather than have it re-negotiated in the next contract, which we know it will. On the skilled trades side I believe you have to make AWS pay premium when your forced to work every other weekend and/or offer traditional shifts for the higher seniority trades. I think a "standard" 12 hour work day for skilled trades is completely rediculous in any shape or form. I can not will not and do not support AWS as the ONLY shifts available for skilled trades. As long as that's the only option available my vote will be NO. cola is a huge deal to me. keep all the bonuses, but give me cola and im rigging the machines to get it to pass. BUT, cola is gone and its not coming back this time. and there is not a 2nd tier anymore, that wall was coming down. also, our in progression raises have never been renegotiated before at contract time. i hired in 2002, contact was in 2003, topped out in 2005. never in 2003 were there scare tactics about how they were going to take my raises away. im not knowledgeable on the skilled trades side, but those shifts have to suck. |
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Post by nra4life on Nov 18, 2015 5:37:46 GMT -5
It's weird, these plants passed the crappy 2011 agreement that didn't have raises, or cola, and got the two tier going in full force. Then, vote down an agreement that had raises, great bonuses, significant investments and eliminated two tier. Or maybe we all realized we were lied to last time & dont believe a word either one of them says & are fed up, good thing about contracts is they can lie to you and you cant do anything about it until the next contract. Agree with it or not this was more about that than anything else. Only way for a persons voice to be heard around here is in the voting booth. |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 18, 2015 5:45:02 GMT -5
It's weird, these plants passed the crappy 2011 agreement that didn't have raises, or cola, and got the two tier going in full force. Then, vote down an agreement that had raises, great bonuses, significant investments and eliminated two tier. Or maybe we all realized we were lied to last time & dont believe a word either one of them says & are fed up, good thing about contracts is they can lie to you and you cant do anything about it until the next contract. Agree with it or not this was more about that than anything else. Only way for a persons voice to be heard around here is in the voting booth. I'm sure you're exactly right, on why people voted for that reason. But we were lied to in 2009, by 2011 we knew they were lies. But these plants still passed that bad contract. |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 18, 2015 6:08:08 GMT -5
What's funny is that the majority of trades opt for 4 over or 4 earlier anyway. They end up working 12 hr shifts as it is. Unfortunately it only takes a few bad apples to mess it up for everyone. With the new AWS it's easier to keep up with everyone. 7am 7pm or 7pm 7am. My husband is a UAW tradesman and he isn't happy either. God bless everyone
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Post by The merry flusher on Nov 18, 2015 6:16:53 GMT -5
The company posted the best 3rd quarter in history and they still want to throw a few pennies our way. Corporate greed is very much at play here. Any talk of 8yrs in a 4yr contract is totally ridiculous. COLA keeps up with inflation and they know it. I am very happy that I got to help flush this TURD !!!
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Post by nra4life on Nov 18, 2015 6:18:56 GMT -5
Or maybe we all realized we were lied to last time & dont believe a word either one of them says & are fed up, good thing about contracts is they can lie to you and you cant do anything about it until the next contract. Agree with it or not this was more about that than anything else. Only way for a persons voice to be heard around here is in the voting booth. I'm sure you're exactly right, on why people voted for that reason. But we were lied to in 2009, by 2011 we knew they were lies. But these plants still passed that bad contract. Lied to almost daily, raise my dues without letting me vote, make me work 11 hour days, damn right Im going to voice my displeasure the only way they hear me. |
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Post by The merry flusher on Nov 18, 2015 6:23:32 GMT -5
The uaw should remember one thing. When it comes to voting down a lousy contract, THEY CAN DO THAT !!!!
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 18, 2015 6:36:54 GMT -5
It would be nice if we had this kind of turn out for a local election. Chairman, President etc.
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Post by cal50 on Nov 18, 2015 7:55:07 GMT -5
Well done LAP / KTP.
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Post by sparky369 on Nov 18, 2015 9:39:46 GMT -5
What's funny is that the majority of trades opt for 4 over or 4 earlier anyway. They end up working 12 hr shifts as it is. Unfortunately it only takes a few bad apples to mess it up for everyone. With the new AWS it's easier to keep up with everyone. 7am 7pm or 7pm 7am. My husband is a UAW tradesman and he isn't happy either. God bless everyone Actually this week the percent of skilled trades opting to work 12 hours was 37% and that included a Monday holiday. The 2 weeks before that it was 33%. That's far from majority. Ford Motor Company keeping up with everyone is not my problem. Skilled trades having the option of traditional shifts should be a priority for the UAW. STANDARD 12 hour days and STANDARD working every other weekend with out premium time is about as non-union as you can get. |
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Post by machination on Nov 18, 2015 9:43:28 GMT -5
I'm sure you're exactly right, on why people voted for that reason. But we were lied to in 2009, by 2011 we knew they were lies. But these plants still passed that bad contract. Lied to almost daily, raise my dues without letting me vote, make me work 11 hour days, damn right Im going to voice my displeasure the only way they hear me. I don't like lies and I don't want to work 11 hours either, but dues amounts should not be subject to a vote. Imagine it. We'd bankrupt our own union if we had control over that. It would be the inmates running the asylum, and that doesn't work out well for the inmates in the end. |
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Post by pmooret on Nov 18, 2015 9:51:14 GMT -5
Why can't we get everything back in one contract, they took it in one contract!
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Post by thevocalmajority on Nov 18, 2015 10:33:41 GMT -5
Why can't we get everything back in one contract, they took it in one contract! A) all of the things that have been lost were fought for and gained over decades. They were not won or "given" in one contract. B) all of those lost gains weren't taken as you put it but agreed to be forfeited by the membership. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 18, 2015 10:45:11 GMT -5
Why can't we get everything back in one contract, they took it in one contract! A) all of the things that have been lost were fought for and gained over decades. They were not won or "given" in one contract. B) all of those lost gains weren't taken as you put it but agreed to be forfeited by the membership. But....Temporarily!!!!!Until the Company was profitable again..That's what gripes my ass...They've RECOVERED,don't ya think? |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 18, 2015 11:10:17 GMT -5
48-52 no right now
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Post by thevocalmajority on Nov 18, 2015 11:40:14 GMT -5
A) all of the things that have been lost were fought for and gained over decades. They were not won or "given" in one contract. B) all of those lost gains weren't taken as you put it but agreed to be forfeited by the membership. But....Temporarily!!!!!Until the Company was profitable again..That's what gripes my ass...They've RECOVERED,don't ya think? Did you get that in writing? Was it in the contract? Were there all those initials all over the bottom of the page? If not, what they say doesn't mean shit! |
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