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Post by nra4life on Nov 20, 2015 20:42:52 GMT -5
Union is its own worst enemy, spend millions to try to get the transplants with no luck, then get a free commercial the other day, national media there, every network covering that joke of a press conference and what does the UAW stand up there and say. Not "well the membership isnt happy with the deal, we will roll our sleeves up and get back in there and try to squeeze some more out of them, we will fight for them" no...they say "the company dont have any more money, the membership just dont understand the deal" if your a toyota worker why would you want to pay for that kind of represntation?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:47:23 GMT -5
How can you say it's not logical to expect to stay with inflation if we account for less than 7% of the window sticker?  2% more, we stay with inflation, care to guess how many less billions of net profit they earn giving us 2% more? Instead of $8.2 billion net profit, they could've earned $7.9 billion with everyone making legacy wages in 2014. I never said it wasn't logical. In fact we already talked about this. I'd prefer COLA but it needs to start at a fair amount and not from a nickel or dime. I didn't think with all the other gains and the fact that we still receive an equivalent-to-70-cent-cola bonus that the contract was bad enough to reject. It wasn't bad at all. We don't even need COLA...4 2% raises and it passes. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:52:06 GMT -5
I never said it wasn't logical. In fact we already talked about this. I'd prefer COLA but it needs to start at a fair amount and not from a nickel or dime. I didn't think with all the other gains and the fact that we still receive an equivalent-to-70-cent-cola bonus that the contract was bad enough to reject. It wasn't bad at all. We don't even need COLA...4 2% raises and it passes. That works. I'd rather have that than the 3,0,3,0 since after four years the current idea only gives us around 6% raises while a 2,2,2,2 pushes us up over 8%. We'd lose almost $5,000 in bonuses HOWEVER we could make that back in time, especially if on overtime, and have higher base wage. Of course, that PLUS cola would be even better. And fair too. But I don't think Ford will go that far yet. |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:54:43 GMT -5
Union is its own worst enemy, spend millions to try to get the transplants with no luck, then get a free commercial the other day, national media there, every network covering that joke of a press conference and what does the UAW stand up there and say. Not "well the membership isnt happy with the deal, we will roll our sleeves up and get back in there and try to squeeze some more out of them, we will fight for them" no...they say "the company dont have any more money, the membership just dont understand the deal" if your a toyota worker why would you want to pay for that kind of represntation? Damn, NRA, you get it. The UAW 40 years ago could've gotten in these plants...today, they had an opportunity to stand in front of the cameras and not belittle the voice of the UAW. They could've said, "so far, it seems our members aren't pleased with this contract. If they vote it down, we will find out what they need to vote yes and take it back to the company and demand more.". Just maybe some of these non union facilities would want that kind of repping...not the bullying and belittling that we receive. It's shit like that presser that will cause more ppl to opt out as soon as they can. Pattern bargaining is good and bad...Chrysler is about broke...shouldn't be right that their workers make the same as a more profitable company like Ford? But I understand...it doesn't matter how good your employer is doing, you have to get all 3 of them in a good place to get 4 years of raises. But, but, but...our union doesn't want to raise their costs...after we were the ones that helped them lower their costs. |
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Post by rockyt on Nov 20, 2015 20:56:12 GMT -5
I thought 2+2+2+2=9.4% LOL
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:56:46 GMT -5
Union is its own worst enemy, spend millions to try to get the transplants with no luck, then get a free commercial the other day, national media there, every network covering that joke of a press conference and what does the UAW stand up there and say. Not "well the membership isnt happy with the deal, we will roll our sleeves up and get back in there and try to squeeze some more out of them, we will fight for them" no...they say "the company dont have any more money, the membership just dont understand the deal" if your a toyota worker why would you want to pay for that kind of represntation? I think they were wore out and in shock that a good agreement with more gains than most people expected met such fierce opposition from so many people. And they're also in the position to know where this could lead down the road, if not now. What if Ford says, alright, we'll give you more, but we're cutting our investment pledge and in 4 years Sterling closes (they can get parts from somebody else) and 8 after that LAP goes. Squeeze the fuck out of the golden goose till she squirts some eggs but don't kill the damn thing. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:57:38 GMT -5
I thought 2+2+2+2=9.4% LOL LOL, only to remember1976.  |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:59:35 GMT -5
I thought 2+2+2+2=9.4% LOL 3+0+3+0=9.4% 2+2+2+2=11.6% |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 21:00:25 GMT -5
Union is its own worst enemy, spend millions to try to get the transplants with no luck, then get a free commercial the other day, national media there, every network covering that joke of a press conference and what does the UAW stand up there and say. Not "well the membership isnt happy with the deal, we will roll our sleeves up and get back in there and try to squeeze some more out of them, we will fight for them" no...they say "the company dont have any more money, the membership just dont understand the deal" if your a toyota worker why would you want to pay for that kind of represntation? I think they were wore out and in shock that a good agreement with more gains than most people expected met such fierce opposition from so many people. And they're also in the position to know where this could lead down the road, if not now. What if Ford says, alright, we'll give you more, but we're cutting our investment pledge and in 4 years Sterling closes (they can get parts from somebody else) and 8 after that LAP goes. Squeeze the fuck out of the golden goose till she squirts some eggs but don't kill the damn thing. Would be cool IF YOU COULD SEE INTO THE FUTURE,and get ready for all the speculative points you bring up..But we can't so give me MINE now.Ill worry about plant closings when its ours... |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 21:01:26 GMT -5
Union is its own worst enemy, spend millions to try to get the transplants with no luck, then get a free commercial the other day, national media there, every network covering that joke of a press conference and what does the UAW stand up there and say. Not "well the membership isnt happy with the deal, we will roll our sleeves up and get back in there and try to squeeze some more out of them, we will fight for them" no...they say "the company dont have any more money, the membership just dont understand the deal" if your a toyota worker why would you want to pay for that kind of represntation? I think they were wore out and in shock that a good agreement with more gains than most people expected met such fierce opposition from so many people. And they're also in the position to know where this could lead down the road, if not now. What if Ford says, alright, we'll give you more, but we're cutting our investment pledge and in 4 years Sterling closes (they can get parts from somebody else) and 8 after that LAP goes. Squeeze the fuck out of the golden goose till she squirts some eggs but don't kill the damn thing. Being that 1,000 votes might be the diff...get new hires to full pay in 4 years and this passes. They prolly didn't need to give us raises or COLA if the diff is less than 1,000. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 21:04:07 GMT -5
I think they were wore out and in shock that a good agreement with more gains than most people expected met such fierce opposition from so many people. And they're also in the position to know where this could lead down the road, if not now. What if Ford says, alright, we'll give you more, but we're cutting our investment pledge and in 4 years Sterling closes (they can get parts from somebody else) and 8 after that LAP goes. Squeeze the fuck out of the golden goose till she squirts some eggs but don't kill the damn thing. Would be cool IF YOU COULD SEE INTO THE FUTURE,and get ready for all the speculative points you bring up..But we can't so give me MINE now.Ill worry about plant closings when its ours... I'd rather retire at KTP. You don't have to be a psychic to have a little foresight. Here, check for yourself en.wiktionary.org/wiki/foresight |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 21:05:23 GMT -5
I think they were wore out and in shock that a good agreement with more gains than most people expected met such fierce opposition from so many people. And they're also in the position to know where this could lead down the road, if not now. What if Ford says, alright, we'll give you more, but we're cutting our investment pledge and in 4 years Sterling closes (they can get parts from somebody else) and 8 after that LAP goes. Squeeze the fuck out of the golden goose till she squirts some eggs but don't kill the damn thing. Being that 1,000 votes might be the diff...get new hires to full pay in 4 years and this passes. They prolly didn't need to give us raises or COLA if the diff is less than 1,000. I agree with the new hire part but if we weren't getting a raise I think it would still be a hard sell. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 21:08:57 GMT -5
Would be cool IF YOU COULD SEE INTO THE FUTURE,and get ready for all the speculative points you bring up..But we can't so give me MINE now.Ill worry about plant closings when its ours... I'd rather retire at KTP. You don't have to be a psychic to have a little foresight. Here, check for yourself en.wiktionary.org/wiki/foresightCool that's awesome FOR YOU..But see a lot of people have different ideas and goals.Thank god.I still want all I can get and DESERVE... |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 21:13:31 GMT -5
Being that 1,000 votes might be the diff...get new hires to full pay in 4 years and this passes. They prolly didn't need to give us raises or COLA if the diff is less than 1,000. I agree with the new hire part but if we weren't getting a raise I think it would still be a hard sell. I'm stating change 8 years to 4...everything else the same, re-vote,contract passes. |
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Post by TonyV on Nov 20, 2015 21:32:58 GMT -5
If ballots were taken to the floor, the Local 600 members should call the FBI. They broke Federal Law
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