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Post by nra4life on Nov 20, 2015 19:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by legacywannabe on Nov 20, 2015 19:32:36 GMT -5
Interesting
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Post by toddstang on Nov 20, 2015 19:35:02 GMT -5
What do we need to do to get Settles the boot? He is not one of us. He has only done a good job of dividing us. Hope he does go to jail for this.
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Post by thisplacesux on Nov 20, 2015 19:38:11 GMT -5
Someone just told me of a petition to remove Settles, maybe on Facebook?
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Post by bigredogre on Nov 20, 2015 19:40:39 GMT -5
we need a direct vote on international reps NOW !!!
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 19:48:23 GMT -5
Keep being influenced by "Louisville's Own Rush Limbaugh", who spent "most of his adult life in business management and ownership" despite his so-called "blue collar background"... It's pretty obvious from the article that he's biased against unions. Maybe his "life" as a manager and owner has something to do with that. Maybe you folks think he could get you a better deal.
Sheep, all of ya. And a direct vote on international would be a bad idea. You people are too dangerous. I bet most of you voted for George Bush, twice. ISIS appreciates that, very much, since without Bush destroying Iraq they never would have had to opportunity to form and exist. You guys want to select our international union leaders too? No thanks...
"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."
- George Carlin
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 19:52:11 GMT -5
Someone just told me of a petition to remove Settles, maybe on Facebook? Maybe you could do a better job yourself? |
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Post by turbo350 on Nov 20, 2015 19:53:27 GMT -5
ED never liked his stint in the body shop
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Post by nra4life on Nov 20, 2015 19:55:25 GMT -5
Keep being influenced by "Louisville's Own Rush Limbaugh", who spent "most of his adult life in business management and ownership" despite his so-called "blue collar background"... It's pretty obvious from the article that he's biased against unions. Maybe his "life" as a manager and owner has something to do with that. Maybe you folks think he could get you a better deal. Sheep, all of ya. Influenced? Its an article, you read it and form your own opinion from it. The fact is if they are taking ballots out to line workers and standing there as they vote I have real issue with that. |
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Post by brb on Nov 20, 2015 19:56:19 GMT -5
Isn't that illegal to do.....don't think you can vote that way.....
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 19:58:41 GMT -5
Seems like they need to redo election and follow suit with all voters if there's any truth to this.
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 20, 2015 20:00:10 GMT -5
Someone just told me of a petition to remove Settles, maybe on Facebook? Maybe you could do a better job yourself? Wtf are you talking about? |
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Nov 20, 2015 20:00:53 GMT -5
I'm telling ya, they are going to wait a week, and submit the same contract for another vote.
Ford's position will be that its the most generous contract and and they will NOT offer more.
The IUAW will do EVERYTHING to get this passed......
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Post by lapwasktp on Nov 20, 2015 20:02:46 GMT -5
What do desperate people do ?? Desperate Things !! Union wins 51% to 49% against its workers.. Imagine that .. First time ever..
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2015 20:03:54 GMT -5
Keep being influenced by "Louisville's Own Rush Limbaugh", who spent "most of his adult life in business management and ownership" despite his so-called "blue collar background"... It's pretty obvious from the article that he's biased against unions. Maybe his "life" as a manager and owner has something to do with that. Maybe you folks think he could get you a better deal. Sheep, all of ya. And a direct vote on international would be a bad idea. You people are too dangerous. I bet most of you voted for George Bush, twice. ISIS appreciates that, very much, since without Bush destroying Iraq they never would have had to opportunity to form and exist. You guys want to select our international union leaders too? No thanks... "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." - George Carlin So do the 10,000 poor Terrorist your pathetic Isis prez.Is going to let come in..Of course they are fully vetted...hahaha.... |
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Post by thisplacesux on Nov 20, 2015 20:04:13 GMT -5
Someone just told me of a petition to remove Settles, maybe on Facebook? Maybe you could do a better job yourself? I was replying to the question above mine. I don't necessarily believe that article. BTW, what's ISIS and George W Bush have to do with this? |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:05:09 GMT -5
Only sad part of all this, our union tries its best to go against their members time and time again.
So, so out of touch...
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:04:58 GMT -5
Maybe you could do a better job yourself? Wtf are you talking about? It's not rocket science. If he, or you, think you could do a better job negotiating the contract, then why aren't you up north helping to do it? That's wtf I'm talking about. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:06:00 GMT -5
Keep being influenced by "Louisville's Own Rush Limbaugh", who spent "most of his adult life in business management and ownership" despite his so-called "blue collar background"... It's pretty obvious from the article that he's biased against unions. Maybe his "life" as a manager and owner has something to do with that. Maybe you folks think he could get you a better deal. Sheep, all of ya. And a direct vote on international would be a bad idea. You people are too dangerous. I bet most of you voted for George Bush, twice. ISIS appreciates that, very much, since without Bush destroying Iraq they never would have had to opportunity to form and exist. You guys want to select our international union leaders too? No thanks... "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." - George Carlin So do the 10,000 poor Terrorist your pathetic Isis prez.Is going to let come in..Of course they are fully vetted...hahaha.... Hell no, keep them out. I never voted for him either. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:07:50 GMT -5
Maybe you could do a better job yourself? I was replying to the question above mine. I don't necessarily believe that article. BTW, what's ISIS and George W Bush have to do with this? It was in response to people wanting to be able to vote for international officials so I pointed out the absolutely horrible judgement many people have and used GB to highlight that as an example reinforcing my argument. Damn you folks are slow tonight! C'mon people.  |
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Post by nra4life on Nov 20, 2015 20:09:50 GMT -5
Wtf are you talking about? It's not rocket science. If he, or you, think you could do a better job negotiating the contract, then why aren't you up north helping to do it? That's wtf I'm talking about. Only way to get up there is to have them bring you up, not like I can run a campain and get put on a ballot and get elected. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:13:44 GMT -5
It's not rocket science. If he, or you, think you could do a better job negotiating the contract, then why aren't you up north helping to do it? That's wtf I'm talking about. Only way to get up there is to have them bring you up, not like I can run a campain and get put on a ballot and get elected. But you could still run for committeeman and get elected and work your way up. Just sayin'. Everyone is so busy bashing every official in the union that they can't understand that we actually got stuff back in this contract, and lost nothing. Nothing. This contract is nothing but GAINS. How can you folks not see that? It's a great step in the RIGHT direction. |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:14:41 GMT -5
Wtf are you talking about? It's not rocket science. If he, or you, think you could do a better job negotiating the contract, then why aren't you up north helping to do it? That's wtf I'm talking about. I'm pretty sure I could pick 4 people from the body shop at KTP that could get an equal or better deal. You realize these negotiators were once VATs, right? I'm positive I would've got my members a better deal. |
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Post by 30yearsentence on Nov 20, 2015 20:16:08 GMT -5
I heard it passed by 350 votes
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:16:42 GMT -5
Only way to get up there is to have them bring you up, not like I can run a campain and get put on a ballot and get elected. But you could still run for committeeman and get elected and work your way up. Just sayin'. Everyone is so busy bashing every official in the union that they can't understand that we actually got stuff back in this contract, and lost nothing. Nothing. This contract is nothing but GAINS. How can you folks not see that? It's a great step in the RIGHT direction. Amen, definitely a step in the right direction... Just a baby step... I want the step of a seven footer. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:24:43 GMT -5
But you could still run for committeeman and get elected and work your way up. Just sayin'. Everyone is so busy bashing every official in the union that they can't understand that we actually got stuff back in this contract, and lost nothing. Nothing. This contract is nothing but GAINS. How can you folks not see that? It's a great step in the RIGHT direction. Amen, definitely a step in the right direction... Just a baby step... I want the step of a seven footer. Me too. See? We all agree on the end goals. We just have different ideas of the pace it can realistically take and the methods in which to get there asap without getting knocked back a step. |
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Post by nra4life on Nov 20, 2015 20:31:47 GMT -5
Amen, definitely a step in the right direction... Just a baby step... I want the step of a seven footer. Me too. See? We all agree on the end goals. We just have different ideas of the pace it can realistically take and the methods in which to get there asap without getting knocked back a step. Union & Ford both claim there isnt another nickel....the union can come back with the same deal, give my my 1/2 of month pay back they stole from me, and I will give them a yes vote. If no nickels left give me my $14.49 back and we can call it a deal. God damn crooks |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 20, 2015 20:34:43 GMT -5
How can you say it's not logical to expect to stay with inflation if we account for less than 7% of the window sticker?  2% more, we stay with inflation, care to guess how many less billions of net profit they earn giving us 2% more? Instead of $8.2 billion net profit, they could've earned $7.9 billion with everyone making legacy wages in 2014. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:37:01 GMT -5
Me too. See? We all agree on the end goals. We just have different ideas of the pace it can realistically take and the methods in which to get there asap without getting knocked back a step. Union & Ford both claim there isnt another nickel....the union can come back with the same deal, give my my 1/2 of month pay back they stole from me, and I will give them a yes vote. If no nickels left give me my $14.49 back and we can call it a deal. God damn crooks I'm afraid we're going to have to increase membership back to 1990's and earlier levels if you want a dues reduction. This is another reason why you guys shouldn't bash the union so much, or unions in general. We can all get stronger if our union had a lot more members. Strength in numbers. But other people hear so much negativity and they turn against unions too. People that say crap that turns other people against unions contribute to the weakening overall economic power of the dwindling middle-class and directly help make the future look worse, not better, for their own descendants. |
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2015 20:40:09 GMT -5
How can you say it's not logical to expect to stay with inflation if we account for less than 7% of the window sticker? 2% more, we stay with inflation, care to guess how many less billions of net profit they earn giving us 2% more? Instead of $8.2 billion net profit, they could've earned $7.9 billion with everyone making legacy wages in 2014. I never said it wasn't logical. In fact we already talked about this. I'd prefer COLA but it needs to start at a fair amount and not from a nickel or dime. I didn't think with all the other gains and the fact that we still receive an equivalent-to-70-cent-cola bonus that the contract was bad enough to reject. It wasn't bad at all. |
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