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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 17:44:39 GMT -5
Once all the discontents can opt out of union membership they will no longer be able to affect the outcome of union elections and contract ratification votes.
Good news!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 17:46:52 GMT -5
By the numbers in this election, I don't see 10% opting out in Michigan... If they succumbed to fear regarding a vote, can you imagine the level of fear they will experience attempting to exit the UAW?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 17:58:45 GMT -5
The part I find laughable with the yes voters regardless of what they're voting on, many believe that the no voters will opt out when they can...could you imagine if half of the UAW stopped paying union dues? The part most don't understand, most of the no voters are fans of A union, just not the manner in which we are being represented. There really is no positive to rtw, unless it forces the UAW to slide a little more to our side vs. standing on the wrong side of the fence. They quit straddling this fence when VEBA was created.
I would love to see them do their jobs instead of constantly belittling us in front of the national media.
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 18:03:50 GMT -5
You guys kill me! Delude yourselves to your heart's content into believing UAW Local 600 was frightened into voting "yes." The fact is the UAW in Michigan is much different from Local 862 in Kentucky. There are 10 UAW Locals in the State of Michigan representing 18 different Ford facilities. Of those, only two locals representing two facilities rejected the tentative agreement: Sterling Axle and Rawsonville. 8 Locals representing 16 different Ford facilities passed the tentative agreement. Overall, the UAW Locals in Michigan voted 56.9% in favor to the tentative agreement. In Michigan UAW members are better informed, more involved, and consequently much less angry and resentful than those here in Kentucky. Scott Eskridge andUAW Local 862 are @#$@#$@#$@#$@#$. But I have said it before and I will say it again, if you want to see why UAW Local 862 is a @#@#@#@#@#@#@ look in the mirror. Nearly all of you are completely unengaged until a contract year, when you all flock to the polls to cast an easy "no" vote. "Easy" only in the sense that you have all deluded yourselves into believing that rejecting a tentative national contract whould have NO negative consequences. You want to go to war against BOTH the UAW and Ford Motor Company.  |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 18:05:23 GMT -5
I can't let you refer to our local and our BC in such a derogatory manner.
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 18:07:31 GMT -5
Are you saying you intend to delete my post?
Oh... now I see. You deleted the phrase "@#@#@#" as if it were an obscenity because the sentiment contradicts your own opinion.
How very reactionary of you.
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Post by JoePieper on Nov 21, 2015 18:09:47 GMT -5
I did vote yes. I looked at it and voted what I felt was best for me. The signing bonus did not however have any role in my decision. Others voted no and I respect that. I don't judge people based on their politics or how they feel about the union either way. I for one feel the UAW can do much better. WE can do better. But I'm not going to jump ship at the the first opportunity. If we want change we need to effect change from within. The contract passed plain and simple. Maybe next time we can ask for more.
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Post by nra4life on Nov 21, 2015 18:15:47 GMT -5
Of course it was 56% yes in Michigan. Dearborn truck was intimidated into a 75% yes vote. If everyone voted the same days and times this thing wouldnt have gotten 40% yes. That is why they handle the voting the way they do. Not sure how they could be more informed than us, we all got the links to read the contract details. This isnt 1939 where you cant get information. Maybe if ONE bargaining rep/committe person would have had the nuts to put out something on their stance/thoughts and given reasons on why we should vote yes, or no, the divide amongst us wouldnt be so bad. Thats what great leaders do, inform people, explain, give their thoughts, and advise. Where I work i never saw one bargaining rep/committe person pass out anything with their thoughts or comments. They can make basketball schedules/telephone list/coupons when they are running for elections but not a damn word from any of them throughout this process.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 18:17:20 GMT -5
Great posts Joe and NRA!
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 18:23:54 GMT -5
Great post nra4life... Complete and utter nonsense. By the way, FYI, Local 600 is made up of far more than Dearborn Truck. In addition to Dearborn Truck, another 4600 UAW represented hourly workers work in 8 other Ford Facilities represented by UAW Local 600. They all have their own building chairmen and bargaining committees. Do you really think they were all "intimidated" by the union? Really? Why do you imagine they are more easily "intimidated" than you? You guys crack me up! |
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Post by nra4life on Nov 21, 2015 18:32:25 GMT -5
Great post nra4life... Complete and utter nonsense. By the way, FYI, Local 600 is made up of far more than Dearborn Truck. In addition to Dearborn Truck, another 4600 UAW represented hourly workers work in 8 other Ford Facilities represented by UAW Local 600. They all have their own building chairmen and bargaining committees. Do you really think they were all "intimidated" by the union? Really? Why do you imagine they are more easily "intimidated" than you? You guys crack me up! Because the whole national negotiating committee was hanging out in their plant for 3 days, hell they held a press conference there prior to the voting. Numerous accounts on social media and blogs of shenanigans going on during and after the voting. Dont matter now its a done deal, although the first untruth of what we just voted on has already surfaced. Clearly stated in the highlighted propaganda that all bonuses could be put into TESPHE, but now we are finding out all bonuses EXCEPT this $10k bonus can be put into TESPHE. Funny how things dont get mentioned |
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 18:35:46 GMT -5
So you DO think those people are more capable of being intimidated than you are. Keep deluding yourselves. As for alleged shenanigans... the same sort of accusations were made on internet social media by the discontents 4 years ago. The same nonsense undoubtedly from the same sources. Some people simply cannot accept that a majority may honestly disagree with them. |
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 18:40:37 GMT -5
By the way, how un-American is it to delete a common English phrase simply because one controls the delete key and disagrees with the sentiment expressed? You should be proud of yourself... not. You know who you are. |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 18:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 18:50:19 GMT -5
Are you referring to the forum Nazi? Yes, evidently I am. Very sad. |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 18:57:31 GMT -5
I respect your opinions, even if they differ from mine... if only you, and some others, did the same.
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 19:01:47 GMT -5
Even if I had the power, I would never delete any part of your posts simply because I disagreed with the opinion you expressed.
I DO NOT respect unreasonable censorship.
Climb down off of your high horse.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 19:07:40 GMT -5
You called Scott and Local 862 a sick joke... How is that not disrespectful? We can't allow name calling, especially of those that aren't on here to defend themselves.
Like I said, call me all you want, I don't care... But don't badger my union.
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Post by toddstang on Nov 21, 2015 19:10:57 GMT -5
BTW, what is 3+3 again?
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 19:10:58 GMT -5
You have GOT to be kidding me!
Should I drag up all the posts you have made just over the last 12 months denigrating UAW Local 862 one way or another? And all the posts doing so that you let slide?
Stop trying to kid a kidder.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 19:12:32 GMT -5
I have not once resorted to name calling any of my union reps... They know if I have an issue, it will be brought to their attention... Not on a website.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 19:13:26 GMT -5
As for the last 12 months, I just returned in May I think... So you only gotta dig back 6 months.
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 19:14:42 GMT -5
And yes, I said UAW Local 862 and the KTP chairman are "a sick joke." And the context was in comparison to the UAW Locals and leadership in Michigan (and the absurd contention that the Michigan UAW Locals were somehow "intimidated" to vote as they did). And I said that the fault lies within the 862 rank-and-file (look in the mirror). So the REAL INSULT was aimed at the UAW Local 862 rank-and-file who are detached and lazy apart from showing up to vote "NO" every four years.
Rather than censor that statement, why not attempt to reasonably refute it?
Maybe the problem is that you cannot.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 19:20:05 GMT -5
I can flat out assure you I haven't been to a union meeting or been involved in about ten years maybe? I'm on cruise control, don't really care anymore.
All I can do is vote every election and hope that we have enough people that do care to fill all the important spots.
If I listen to what people say on the floor, our union reps aren't getting it done.
I couldn't tell you who my rep is at the moment... But I truly don't care. I have the phone numbers of a few I trust and when I need them, they answer my questions.
See how I did that without resorting to name calling?
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 19:23:13 GMT -5
No, that is NOT all you can do. It is only what you can be bothered to do. As I said, lazy and detached.
See how I was able to do that without calling you names?
By the way, I came from an assembly plant whose union membership was much more active and involved. When I arrived at KTP the powers that be told the 862 membership that my former UAW Local was responsible for the closing of my former plant. A complete lie which the 862 membership swallowed whole.
You have the local union you deserve. If you want better, ya'll are going to have to work at it. I'd bet against.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 21, 2015 19:40:18 GMT -5
Great post Scott, if people don't like how you run your site why don't they leave? One.other thing, this local isn't a sick joke It's the membership that makes up the local. I'm a very proud member so is my retired father. Scott Eskridge will be at the next union meeting if you have that big of a issue with him personally.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 21, 2015 20:20:22 GMT -5
No, that is NOT all you can do. It is only what you can be bothered to do. As I said, lazy and detached. See how I was able to do that without calling you names? By the way, I came from an assembly plant whose union membership was much more active and involved. When I arrived at KTP the powers that be told the 862 membership that my former UAW Local was responsible for the closing of my former plant. A complete lie which the 862 membership swallowed whole. You have the local union you deserve. If you want better, ya'll are going to have to work at it. I'd bet against. Kookoo |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 20:40:19 GMT -5
You are correct 1976...it's not all I can do, but it's all I'm going to do. Detached, yes, lazy, nope...when I leave work, I don't think about it, talk about it, or want to be consumed with it. I don't mind coming on here to discuss the contract every 4 years, but the rest of the time, I'd rather be doing anything else that doesn't remind me of my job which I hate.
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 20:49:49 GMT -5
You are correct 1976...it's not all I can do, but it's all I'm going to do. Enuff sed. Imagine if Walter and Victor Reuther had the same attitude. |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 20:57:17 GMT -5
That's what we have Williams, Settles, and Scott E. for...get it?
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