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Post by remember1976 on Nov 21, 2015 21:25:36 GMT -5
LMAO!!! You guys crack me up!
So tell me everything you know about Dennis Williams and Jimmy Settles.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 21, 2015 21:46:19 GMT -5
That they lack the back bone of our founders...Walter Reuther rolls over in his grave every time we are belittled by our leaders to the media and our employers. I would imagine they abided by deadlines first and foremost.
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Post by cal50 on Nov 21, 2015 22:35:57 GMT -5
LMAO!!! You guys crack me up! So tell me everything you know about Dennis Williams and Jimmy Settles. Out for themselves and preserving their well paid positions #1. |
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Post by brb on Nov 21, 2015 23:10:09 GMT -5
1976 you sound like a very bitter person cause you can't get out of ford....I don't know why nor do I care....so have a good life if possible....
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Post by shortsktp on Nov 21, 2015 23:25:56 GMT -5
Just curious how people feel about removing the cap on in progression hires, coupled with the 8 year progression. The VP blamed all of the new people for the way the vote was turning out. Does he, or anyone else think that is going to be better or worse in 4 years. I may be wrong but couple that with 12 hours shifts being implemented in the trades, the 11 hour shifts on the lines, and I think the legacy people may be in the minority on the next contract. It seems to me that from the companies prospective they would start offering buyouts more often as a cost cutting plan. It would be a one time payout for a $10/12 per hour cost savings.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 0:23:04 GMT -5
Just curious how people feel about removing the cap on in progression hires, coupled with the 8 year progression. The VP blamed all of the new people for the way the vote was turning out. Does he, or anyone else think that is going to be better or worse in 4 years. I may be wrong but couple that with 12 hours shifts being implemented in the trades, the 11 hour shifts on the lines, and I think the legacy people may be in the minority on the next contract. It seems to me that from the companies prospective they would start offering buyouts more often as a cost cutting plan. It would be a one time payout for a $10/12 per hour cost savings. I'll take one!!!! |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 22, 2015 0:48:49 GMT -5
Removing the cap and taking 8 years to reach max wages will definitely change the landscape in future contracts. The last legacy workers attempting to get out with their pension when they're the minority may have to settle on a pension buyout.
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Post by shortsktp on Nov 22, 2015 9:21:00 GMT -5
The other fear I have with this contract is... Isn't VEBA already grossly underfunded? So you will now have the possibility of sending quite a few more people over to VEBA insurance and at the same time the UAW is now getting 2 1/2 hours of @17/hour instead of 29/hour. I wonder about the financial health of the UAW with this deal.
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Post by Mark Thomas on Nov 22, 2015 9:54:40 GMT -5
Is he and everyone else not able to join this board..and BE HERE just like anyone else? BTW...I believe we are 862 correct? just sayin  |
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2015 14:26:57 GMT -5
I did vote yes. I looked at it and voted what I felt was best for me. The signing bonus did not however have any role in my decision. Others voted no and I respect that. I don't judge people based on their politics or how they feel about the union either way. I for one feel the UAW can do much better. WE can do better. But I'm not going to jump ship at the the first opportunity. If we want change we need to effect change from within. The contract passed plain and simple. Maybe next time we can ask for more. These people will not believe that the signing bonus didn't affect your judgment. They think everyone who doesn't march lock-step in line with them is weak, scared, lying about their reasons, a union shill, or just dumb, even though their stupidity is over the top. I respect reasonable people, but I don't owe any respect to destructive, dishonest idiots, sorry. I hope when rtw comes the most vocal and ignorant of them do leave the union. They are nothing but trouble, and will bring us nothing but trouble in the future. Sadly, their opting out wont stop them from being a terrible influence on younger and newer workers who don't know any better. |
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2015 14:28:55 GMT -5
Great post nra4life...  Complete and utter nonsense. By the way, FYI, Local 600 is made up of far more than Dearborn Truck. In addition to Dearborn Truck, another 4600 UAW represented hourly workers work in 8 other Ford Facilities represented by UAW Local 600. They all have their own building chairmen and bargaining committees. Do you really think they were all "intimidated" by the union? Really? Why do you imagine they are more easily "intimidated" than you? You guys crack me up! The "no" voters here were intimidated by other "no" voters because they don't have the balls to stand up to them and just want to fit in... |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 22, 2015 14:44:55 GMT -5
You won machination. Let it go. It's over
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Post by JoePieper on Nov 22, 2015 16:00:52 GMT -5
I did vote yes. I looked at it and voted what I felt was best for me. The signing bonus did not however have any role in my decision. Others voted no and I respect that. I don't judge people based on their politics or how they feel about the union either way. I for one feel the UAW can do much better. WE can do better. But I'm not going to jump ship at the the first opportunity. If we want change we need to effect change from within. The contract passed plain and simple. Maybe next time we can ask for more. These people will not believe that the signing bonus didn't affect your judgment. They think everyone who doesn't march lock-step in line with them is weak, scared, lying about their reasons, a union shill, or just dumb, even though their stupidity is over the top. I respect reasonable people, but I don't owe any respect to destructive, dishonest idiots, sorry. I hope when rtw comes the most vocal and ignorant of them do leave the union. They are nothing but trouble, and will bring us nothing but trouble in the future. Sadly, their opting out wont stop them from being a terrible influence on younger and newer workers who don't know any better. I know you are right. But I don't care what others think about me. Thank you for the reply. At least dome of us still use logic and reason rather than feelings. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 17:10:42 GMT -5
I did vote yes. I looked at it and voted what I felt was best for me. The signing bonus did not however have any role in my decision. Others voted no and I respect that. I don't judge people based on their politics or how they feel about the union either way. I for one feel the UAW can do much better. WE can do better. But I'm not going to jump ship at the the first opportunity. If we want change we need to effect change from within. The contract passed plain and simple. Maybe next time we can ask for more. These people will not believe that the signing bonus didn't affect your judgment. They think everyone who doesn't march lock-step in line with them is weak, scared, lying about their reasons, a union shill, or just dumb, even though their stupidity is over the top. I respect reasonable people, but I don't owe any respect to destructive, dishonest idiots, sorry. I hope when rtw comes the most vocal and ignorant of them do leave the union. They are nothing but trouble, and will bring us nothing but trouble in the future. Sadly, their opting out wont stop them from being a terrible influence on younger and newer workers who don't know any better. They'll save a lot of money though!!!! |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 22, 2015 17:54:59 GMT -5
Nice post Joe & Metal. I think alot of people were influenced off others NO votes. I for one like Joe voted YES. I think from top to bottom it was a decent contract for everyone. Gotta start somewhere. Yes, I wanted cola back also. But it didn't happen this time. You haven't heard me say I can't wait for RTW come because we didn't get it. We still have the highest paid wages in the louisville area with the best benefit package around. Thank, God bless you all
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Post by pmooret on Nov 22, 2015 19:32:32 GMT -5
Nope, that would be UPS.
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 22, 2015 20:38:27 GMT -5
3 Quarters of ups work force is part time. The health package is not better then ours.
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 20:48:49 GMT -5
3 Quarters of ups work force is part time. The health package is not better then ours. Ups employees now have to pay for their dependents. |
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Nov 22, 2015 22:18:03 GMT -5
All of this rtw and opting out talk is a waste of time. Nobody is going to do it. Talk is cheap and people know they will be outed.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2015 22:29:28 GMT -5
Really?I think a lot will..I'm not but I work with some tight wads .And plenty will do it hoping they get harassed so they can sue .
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Post by Ktp1989 on Nov 22, 2015 22:55:35 GMT -5
UPS has enough tiers for a tower...they still start off at 8.50 an hour...about what I made there in 1987. You think you have issues with our union, trying working for the teamsters...no thanks. It often takes 10-15 years to secure a full-time job and a different pay scale all the way up. I knew people that were still part-time 15 years after we started there. Everyone always thinks the grass is greener on the other side, most of the time it's brown.
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Post by justaworker on Nov 22, 2015 23:04:10 GMT -5
UPS has enough tiers for a tower...they still start off at 8.50 an hour...about what I made there in 1987. You think you have issues with our union, trying working for the teamsters...no thanks. It often takes 10-15 years to secure a full-time job and a different pay scale all the way up. I knew people that were still part-time 15 years after we started there. Everyone always thinks the grass is greener on the other side, most of the time it's brown. yeah, i worked there for 11 years. when i hear people complain about local 862, i laugh as i recall being a member of local 89. |
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Post by THAT GIRL on Nov 23, 2015 13:06:57 GMT -5
Nice post, I have a friend that's been there over 20 yrs part time. Still making less then $20 an hr and they dropped spouses Insurance. DEFINITELY BROWNER
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 23, 2015 14:04:05 GMT -5
They said this, We still have the highest paid wages in the louisville area Read more: scottrlap.proboards.com/thread/15394/wait-right-work-kentucky?page=2#ixzz3sLJwUwC7She said this, Nope, that would be UPS. She would be correct...UPS pays much higher wages than us...full time vs. full time...I know a UPS driver...he's over $32/hour...they kept getting raises when we didn't...I used to make more than he did/hour...he was shocked to hear that he makes more now, he thought for sure we still made more. That's what she's talking about...sheesh.... |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 23, 2015 14:26:32 GMT -5
They said this, We still have the highest paid wages in the louisville area Read more: scottrlap.proboards.com/thread/15394/wait-right-work-kentucky?page=2#ixzz3sLJwUwC7She said this, Nope, that would be UPS. She would be correct...UPS pays much higher wages than us...full time vs. full time...I know a UPS driver...he's over $32/hour...they kept getting raises when we didn't...I used to make more than he did/hour...he was shocked to hear that he makes more now, he thought for sure we still made more. That's what she's talking about...sheesh.... LOL, nobody implied that we make more than every single person in the Louisville area. There are about 80 route drivers in the Louisville area, compare that to the thousands of part timers across the street. |
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Post by lap65 on Nov 23, 2015 14:40:56 GMT -5
What can "brown" do for you? Lol
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Post by justaworker on Nov 23, 2015 14:58:04 GMT -5
another thing. the pay of people that drive trucks and deliver goods has increased, all over the country. the pay of people that put cars together, has decreased, all over the country. as ive stated several times, the UAW and the big 3 used to set the pay scale. even the foreign brands that built plants here had wages similar to ours. NOW, we no longer set the pay scale. we are outnumbered by foreign brands that build here and pay between $15-$20 per hour.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Nov 23, 2015 15:31:11 GMT -5
Average weekly earnings for the United States is over $800...which puts the average just over $20/hour.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 23, 2015 17:36:22 GMT -5
Average weekly earnings for the United States is over $800...which puts the average just over $20/hour. So these ELITE jobs that we once were proud of are becoming mediocre(no raise for over a decade tends to do that)...Oh well 7 more yrs... |
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