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Post by rayd8roscoe on Feb 2, 2016 21:29:56 GMT -5
Mr Lee... I would love to see you get hired on and tell the team manager, area manager, plant manager they need to watch Peter Senge on youtube during a down time meeting after shift. I cant stop giggling at the thought. I wouldnt approach it quite like that...I would keep my mouth shut and be patient for an opportunity which would eventually present itself....then I might offer a book as a present and leave it at that....the best approach is to plant a seed and let someone come to their own conclusions...ive done the same thing at the company I currently work for...it works....when its their idea they will often buy in much easier.... You'd have to be Houdini to pull that shit off at Ford Motor. |
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Post by justaworker on Feb 3, 2016 3:28:52 GMT -5
I'm assuming this is a joke thread. But, if serious, you don't want to be anywhere near this place. Working the line sucks, you can do better. And supervisors are nothing more than babysitters. I can't imagine a worse place for new hires to come in and work. If you have anything going on in life, anything, don't even consider a job here.
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Post by tiger67 on Feb 3, 2016 6:54:51 GMT -5
The love of money is the root of all Evil.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 3, 2016 9:01:35 GMT -5
I agree ..You will never be on a decent shift,you won't get to see your kids grow up.Youll be fucked with for years to come.And the money is a joke.Yeah if I had an education I would go with that.But you could come in and save to start your own business then when u get the chance tell them to bite you..Just don't get caught up in the paycheck game..good luck
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Post by Dirk on Feb 4, 2016 14:28:08 GMT -5
Hourly you will get to 30$ an hr in time. Management you could make great money with your education but they put up with a lot of bullshit. Plus you would rotate shifts every 3 months as a boss and your at their disposal any time they want you. Unless your up for an average of two marriages, missing your kids birthdays, holidays and possibly your daughter's wedding day... I'd recommend staying away from mgt. Skilled trades somewhere on the roof area is where to be. You can actually go missing for 30 years and make a decent living. |
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Post by beenaround on Feb 4, 2016 14:57:30 GMT -5
^^^^^^ Another uninformed individual who knows nothing about skilled trades!
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Post by saugerman on Feb 4, 2016 16:11:52 GMT -5
I appreciate what you guys have shared. I tend to be the type of person that is more team oriented with an ability to lead by example as well as motivating and teaching others around me. I currently work at a job where the owners rely on me to motivate and teach groups of people. It appears from what I have read on this message board that upper mngmt is out of touch with the people on the floor...that are really the heart of production. One of my areas of specialty is in the theory of constraints....which could possibly come in very handy at KTP. BTW...I still question the validity of the voting results and process that resulted in the acceptance of the current national contract that you guys are under. I was paying close attention on the night of the agreement and still dont trust the process. Would love to hear more from you guys. Concerning $30 per hour...are we talking 5-10 years or? Sincerely Lee This has to be a joke thread. Good job if it is, because your ruse apparently succeeded. In case you're actually serious though, I'll bite, and offer my "advice".
Firstly, the very idea that a new hire, whether as an hourly or in management, is going to "lead", "motivate", or "teach" people who have worked here for over 20 years is offensive. Who do you think you are anyway (if this is even a serious thread)? You are the one who will be led, motivated, and taught by US, not the other way around...How are you going to "lead by example" when, if you get into management, you won't actually be doing any of the work? If you don't get into management and work on the line, how, and for that matter why, are you going to lead anyone when what you should be doing is minding your own business and doing your own job. Some of you new guys come in and somehow think you know more than people who have worked here 20 years, and you want to change this or that, and only end up succeeding in either alienating the people around you or screwing something up, or both. Some of you guys think you know so much when you actually don't; you just pretend to. We call that, in the vulgar tongue, being "full of shit."
Secondly, of course upper management is out of touch with workforce on the floor, as is mid level mgmt., and even lower level management. That's because when they're not running around clueless, barking into their radios, cussing each other out (or worse), they're giggling at their "desk" with the kiss-ups and other obsequient people, or playing on their phones, or looking up sports stats on the company computer for their fantasy football team, while the hourly workers around them are busy actually working for a living. Sometimes we're so busy that we can't even stop to get a drink of water without getting behind, in which case Mr. Lazyass finally gets up to come find out what the hold up is. They are incapable of understanding how hard it is to work in the plant because they don't work in the plant. They just show up and watch everyone else do the actual working.
Thirdly, you seem very articulate, potentially intelligent (yes, to be articulate doesn't necessarily mean one actually possesses high intelligence, but it could be present), under 30, and ready to tackle an idealized reality. A real carpe diem kind of person. That's great, but once you get steeped in the real world of auto manufacturing for a while, your disillusionment will open your eyes to the truth of my advice, and you wont be so motivated anymore. Especially if you're in management. After about 5-10 years most of them are struggling with obesity and depression. Obesity is easy to achieve when you don't actually work for a living. Depression is easy to develop too when you realize there's no hope and if you go against the grain too much the grain will take you upstairs and cuss you out away from any witnesses.
In a nutshell, in my opinion you sound over-qualified and under-qualified at the same time. Over- because your credentials could probably get you a more fulfilling job somewhere else, instead of at the soul-crushing factory. Under- because you obviously have no idea what real working people go through and think, like some kind of industrial messiah, that you might be able to "motivate" and "lead" us..., which, again, is offensive. Ooooo the guy with the MBA is going to come in and "fix" all the lowly, ignorant grunts.
But if this is in fact a fake thread, good job!
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Feb 4, 2016 19:17:41 GMT -5
Wow, this is my favorite thread EVER.
I left grad school to work at Ford...........for the money and benefits.
I learned REALLY early how it is, because guys with 25 years told me.
If "teach", "lead" and "motivate" means you tell an engineer or supervisor that you know the best place to hang that new gun is on THAT OTHER GUY'S job...............even if its true......well, I just want to be there and see that.
The goal here, for us, is to get out without being crippled, and to make a decent living in the meantime.
Seriously, those of us with 20+ years really just want to get out of here without being disabled in body, or mentally broken down to the point of drug or booze addiction.
I tell people that when when I hired in, I was told I'd probably get into 4 things: Drugs, booze, gambling, and cheating on my spouse.....I'm at 3 of 4.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 15:13:49 GMT -5
Wow, this is my favorite thread EVER. I left grad school to work at Ford...........for the money and benefits. I learned REALLY early how it is, because guys with 25 years told me. If "teach", "lead" and "motivate" means you tell an engineer or supervisor that you know the best place to hang that new gun is on THAT OTHER GUY'S job...............even if its true......well, I just want to be there and see that. The goal here, for us, is to get out without being crippled, and to make a decent living in the meantime. Seriously, those of us with 20+ years really just want to get out of here without being disabled in body, or mentally broken down to the point of drug or booze addiction. I tell people that when when I hired in, I was told I'd probably get into 4 things: Drugs, booze, gambling, and cheating on my spouse.....I'm at 3 of 4. Excellent post. Actually my drug use is down since hiring in 17 years ago. Only thing I take that I don't have a scrip for is weed. Hopefully soon I can get that legally too. But, for me, booze n drugs, yeah. Gambling?never. That eats into money better spent on booze n drugs. Cheating on my wife? Oh god no never. After all , she puts up with the booze n drugs and I like all my stuff lol. Totally agree with ur point tho |
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Post by corky on Feb 6, 2016 9:25:41 GMT -5
Wow, this is my favorite thread EVER. I left grad school to work at Ford...........for the money and benefits. I learned REALLY early how it is, because guys with 25 years told me. If "teach", "lead" and "motivate" means you tell an engineer or supervisor that you know the best place to hang that new gun is on THAT OTHER GUY'S job...............even if its true......well, I just want to be there and see that. The goal here, for us, is to get out without being crippled, and to make a decent living in the meantime. Seriously, those of us with 20+ years really just want to get out of here without being disabled in body, or mentally broken down to the point of drug or booze addiction. I tell people that when when I hired in, I was told I'd probably get into 4 things: Drugs, booze, gambling, and cheating on my spouse.....I'm at 3 of 4. Sounds like you and ar15a2 resembled the current new hires that have been so colorfully described here. Funny, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Either one of you have any tattoo's? If the new hires weren't brought in, there would be no one left to complain for the next 20 years. |
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Post by machination on Feb 6, 2016 13:44:55 GMT -5
Wow, this is my favorite thread EVER. I left grad school to work at Ford...........for the money and benefits. I learned REALLY early how it is, because guys with 25 years told me. If "teach", "lead" and "motivate" means you tell an engineer or supervisor that you know the best place to hang that new gun is on THAT OTHER GUY'S job...............even if its true......well, I just want to be there and see that. The goal here, for us, is to get out without being crippled, and to make a decent living in the meantime. Seriously, those of us with 20+ years really just want to get out of here without being disabled in body, or mentally broken down to the point of drug or booze addiction. I tell people that when when I hired in, I was told I'd probably get into 4 things: Drugs, booze, gambling, and cheating on my spouse.....I'm at 3 of 4. Excellent post. Actually my drug use is down since hiring in 17 years ago. Only thing I take that I don't have a scrip for is weed. Hopefully soon I can get that legally too. But, for me, booze n drugs, yeah. Gambling?never. That eats into money better spent on booze n drugs. Cheating on my wife? Oh god no never. After all , she puts up with the booze n drugs and I like all my stuff lol. Totally agree with ur point tho Wow, that's revealing. A guy who's into boozing and drugging shouldn't be allowed to own an ar-15, because you obviously don't have good judgement. It also explains why you get advice from your dog's nuts (see older thread). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 17:36:46 GMT -5
Machy, That comment about dog balls really got to u huh? Good
I have a perfect criminal record.. And my judgement speaks for itself as well. We work the same job. What does that say about you? Thank u very much.
More to the point: I have wondered lately if the "old"guys talked about us when we hired in like we do the new hires now. I was never called lazy, promise u that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 17:39:08 GMT -5
Wow, this is my favorite thread EVER. I left grad school to work at Ford...........for the money and benefits. I learned REALLY early how it is, because guys with 25 years told me. If "teach", "lead" and "motivate" means you tell an engineer or supervisor that you know the best place to hang that new gun is on THAT OTHER GUY'S job...............even if its true......well, I just want to be there and see that. The goal here, for us, is to get out without being crippled, and to make a decent living in the meantime. Seriously, those of us with 20+ years really just want to get out of here without being disabled in body, or mentally broken down to the point of drug or booze addiction. I tell people that when when I hired in, I was told I'd probably get into 4 things: Drugs, booze, gambling, and cheating on my spouse.....I'm at 3 of 4. Sounds like you and ar15a2 resembled the current new hires that have been so colorfully described here. Funny, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Either one of you have any tattoo's? If the new hires weren't brought in, there would be no one left to complain for the next 20 years. I have a couple tattoos, but now that they're "in style" I have no desire for more. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 17:49:57 GMT -5
Excellent post. Actually my drug use is down since hiring in 17 years ago. Only thing I take that I don't have a scrip for is weed. Hopefully soon I can get that legally too. But, for me, booze n drugs, yeah. Gambling?never. That eats into money better spent on booze n drugs. Cheating on my wife? Oh god no never. After all , she puts up with the booze n drugs and I like all my stuff lol. Totally agree with ur point tho Wow, that's revealing. A guy who's into boozing and drugging shouldn't be allowed to own an ar-15, because you obviously don't have good judgement. It also explains why you get advice from your dog's nuts (see older thread). Since u keep bringing it up. I never took advice from a metaphorical dogs balls. I advised you, that when u take ur place at my left hand, beware the dog on my right. Remember now? That dog will absolutely kill ur fuzzy kitten machy. |
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Post by machination on Feb 10, 2016 18:36:39 GMT -5
Wow, that's revealing. A guy who's into boozing and drugging shouldn't be allowed to own an ar-15, because you obviously don't have good judgement. It also explains why you get advice from your dog's nuts (see older thread). Since u keep bringing it up. I never took advice from a metaphorical dogs balls. I advised you, that when u take ur place at my left hand, beware the dog on my right. Remember now? That dog will absolutely kill ur fuzzy kitten machy. Hate to disappoint your delusional ego buddy, but I don't think anyone, especially me, is going to "take a place" at the left or right hand of a self-described drunk drug addict. But, if it makes you feel better about yourself, keep on pretending to be more than you are. Theres hope for you though. The union, that I'm sure you hate so much, has services that can help you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 20:44:10 GMT -5
Funny stuff machy lol don't u get dizzy from all the spin? Lmao
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