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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 1, 2016 21:32:02 GMT -5
Just seen on Fox News that a parts plant that will be making "aluminum welded sub assembly's " for the Kentucky truck plant ?Starting 2018 and delivering them to the ford plant.200 workers.Thats not a good thing.
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Post by justaworker on Apr 1, 2016 21:53:33 GMT -5
More outsourcing? Sounds that way.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Apr 1, 2016 22:14:38 GMT -5
It will be built in Bardstown, and it is good for the 200 people that will be hired, the state, Nelson County and Bardstown. Ford is not going build every part at KTP. To think so is crazy.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 2, 2016 9:33:57 GMT -5
Your right but..If they make large parts such as J bones and T bones.We do that now and those jobs are being phased out at KTP.And yes those people do still have a job.To think that it's good to let someone (non UAW)make parts for our truck is good..That's what I would say is crazy..Can't be good.Why wouldn't they make a shop here?We have the room..Answer ..Cheaper labor period!
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Apr 2, 2016 13:34:19 GMT -5
Do you not make more money if Ford increases their profit? Is that not good? I agree that it would be great to do those jobs at KTP, but it may not be the best financial decisions for Ford or us. I'm not trying to argue, just trying to look at it realistically.
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Apr 2, 2016 16:03:43 GMT -5
This is not great to hear, never is when work is outsourced. But a few thoughts, 1- a lot of things that are outsourced eventually come back. I think these will because, #2- ford has a hard enough time getting good workers at $17 an hour, I'd hate to see what this place will get for $10.
Of course if the uaw did manage to organize the place we'll hear what a great victory it was to grow the ranks, completely sweeping the fact that they were ford jobs under the rug.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 2, 2016 16:55:12 GMT -5
Do you not make more money if Ford increases their profit? Is that not good? I agree that it would be great to do those jobs at KTP, but it may not be the best financial decisions for Ford or us. I'm not trying to argue, just trying to look at it realistically. So was it great when Voith took over clean up?The next thing they'll bring in a new company for material handling ..Then what?Its bad period!!!
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Apr 2, 2016 19:08:26 GMT -5
The cleanup was bad when we had it, and it is worse now.
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Post by JoePieper on Apr 2, 2016 20:21:02 GMT -5
I'm the C crew team leader for J bone, T Bone, and Corners. From what I've been told those parts are incorporated into the new bodydide structure so yes those jobs will be gone after shutdown. As for what this company will be building who knows?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 2, 2016 20:51:20 GMT -5
The cleanup was bad when we had it, and it is worse now. But our own guys did it for 28.73 an hour....Not 15 an hour!
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Apr 3, 2016 0:37:31 GMT -5
The cleanup was bad when we had it, and it is worse now. But our own guys did it for 28.73 an hour....Not 15 an hour! For that much money, our bathrooms should have been spotless!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 3, 2016 8:02:47 GMT -5
Doesn't matter .Those jobs were for the old people.Now there's nothing.Pitaful.I want all jobs here.
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Post by slimer on Apr 3, 2016 8:46:47 GMT -5
Joe P is correct in that the new bodysides on the 2017 aluminum super duty have the structure of the j bone and t bone incorporated in the truck. It is just put together on the same line, not a separate buildup tool. You will see similarities in the new bodyside but it is put together in a different way. Cab corners as you currently build in old shop are same way. They don't exist as a corner that you put into a bodyside line. Just an inner and a solid outer shell that is the entire length of the bodyside. Kind of like the current U outers. Hard to explain here but once you see, you will understand. I am in the new shop and have been since September.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 3, 2016 12:13:19 GMT -5
I fully understand about the J bones .I was on that team on dayshift.Im just saying it would be great if "whatever" parts are being built were being built on-site instead of outsourced.
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Post by pmooret on Apr 3, 2016 18:24:10 GMT -5
Do you not make more money if Ford increases their profit? Is that not good? I agree that it would be great to do those jobs at KTP, but it may not be the best financial decisions for Ford or us. I'm not trying to argue, just trying to look at it realistically. We may make a few dollars more on profit sharing, that's it. Now when Ford makes more money they keep it for themselves at the upper level, they don't give us a raise during good times like they use to. They keep cutting corners to save money but the price of the vehicles doesn't go down, the stock is still stagnant, and our wages don't go up; THEY KEEP IT FOR THEMSELVES. When was the last time you got a raise on your retirement LIB? I have used this example many times and I'll use it again. Back in the day, Ford workers and UPS drivers made the same wage. Now UPS drivers make $35-$36 an hour and we make under $30. Also, "best financial decisions for Ford or us"; you can't put us in the same group anymore. They could care less about us.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Apr 3, 2016 22:31:18 GMT -5
Doesn't matter .Those jobs were for the old people.Now there's nothing.Pitaful.I want all jobs here. So you would pay $30 per hour for someone to not clean your house?
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Post by tryingtomakeit on Apr 3, 2016 23:58:56 GMT -5
The clean up jobs went away because the people that had them last f'd them up fir the rest of the plant population. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that if you're paying a guy 10-12 hrs a day 5 & 6 days a week and the place still looks like shit, that your getting screwed.
It's the natural progression of the whole fd up system. Ford has piss poor management, a large portion of the hourly workforce does more work getting out of work than actually working, & the rest of us pay for it.
That gleaming billion dollar body shop will look and run like shit in less than two years. If you don't believe me you're either in denial or new.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 4, 2016 5:46:32 GMT -5
Doesn't matter .Those jobs were for the old people.Now there's nothing.Pitaful.I want all jobs here. So you would pay $30 per hour for someone to not clean your house? Ok we're getting off the subject now,but...Regardless of how well they cleaned we lost good jobs to lower wages.Just like the plant that's going to build parts for OUR PLANT.Back to cleanup ,I'm guessing Voith is owned by a group of retired ford workers that kissed ass and got the bid for cleanup..Don't know just my speculation...Just like I wouldn't be amazed if they start a company that takes care of stock and skilled trades one of these days.Why pay a Ford forklift driver 29.62 if I can pay another Worker (as long as they're UAW)20 bucks an hour to drive the fork lift?Its coming ...write it down ...PS Would you be okay if that happened???
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Apr 4, 2016 9:02:08 GMT -5
It already has happened. You have Tier 2 employees on forklift jobs now.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Apr 4, 2016 9:18:07 GMT -5
Uh huh..But not all of them "like"the clean-up Co.That would save the Co money too..Then we could get more profit sharing...Yee haw...
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Post by srnktp on Apr 4, 2016 17:27:36 GMT -5
The clean up jobs went away because the people that had them last f'd them up fir the rest of the plant population. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that if you're paying a guy 10-12 hrs a day 5 & 6 days a week and the place still looks like shit, that your getting screwed. It's the natural progression of the whole fd up system. Ford has piss poor management, a large portion of the hourly workforce does more work getting out of work than actually working, & the rest of us pay for it. That gleaming billion dollar body shop will look and run like shit in less than two years. If you don't believe me you're either in denial or new. media4.giphy.com/media/3ornjHL4fLS94x39Wo/200w.gif
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Post by pmooret on Apr 4, 2016 18:43:41 GMT -5
So you would pay $30 per hour for someone to not clean your house? Ok we're getting off the subject now,but...Regardless of how well they cleaned we lost good jobs to lower wages.Just like the plant that's going to build parts for OUR PLANT.Back to cleanup ,I'm guessing Voith is owned by a group of retired ford workers that kissed ass and got the bid for cleanup..Don't know just my speculation...Just like I wouldn't be amazed if they start a company that takes care of stock and skilled trades one of these days.Why pay a Ford forklift driver 29.62 if I can pay another Worker (as long as they're UAW)20 bucks an hour to drive the fork lift?Its coming ...write it down ...PS Would you be okay if that happened??? I'm at LAP. It was my understanding when clean up was contracted out that the company was owned by retired workers but I don't know who. Since this has happen our plant is nasty whereas it never was before. When Ford had clean up, the guy in our section could socialize all night long, read the newspaper, do the crossword puzzle, and still keep the shop cleaner than Voith does. BTW, SVS is owned by retired workers too.
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Post by Bcrew4life on Apr 4, 2016 19:10:28 GMT -5
Doesn't matter .Those jobs were for the old people.Now there's nothing.Pitaful.I want all jobs here. So you would pay $30 per hour for someone to not clean your house? I don't know about KTP but clean up kept LAP spotless until Voight took over. Bathrooms were always clean and had paper towels, parking lots were always kept clean and we never had to worry about slipping on ice and busting our ass. The exhaust filters were changed on schedule, operators fans were cleaned regularly. Floors were always clean in the aisles, garbage was picked up often, etc, etc. Now LAP is one nasty shit hole!
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Post by lap65 on Apr 4, 2016 20:46:56 GMT -5
Ive been here 23 years, maybe its been different in other areas but trim bathrooms have always been nasty, I don't see that they are any worse than before other than constantly running out of paper towels. Aisles & floors were better with our people, much better.
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