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Post by tiger66 on Nov 9, 2016 18:57:55 GMT -5
Kentuckys house flipped sides. Get ready for RTW. It's coming
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Post by machination on Nov 9, 2016 19:07:35 GMT -5
But that means you wont be a union brother anymore, so what happens when you need someone who is to have your back? I'm just curious. Like if you have to shit so bad and the team leader's not around so you need the dues payer next to you to just cover your job for 5 minutes for your quick power dump? Guess you might have to shit your pants.
I mean, why would someone who pays dues to the entity that negotiates our wages and benefits look out for someone who gets their wages and benefits negotiated for them without having to pay a dime for it? I thought you republicans hated people who leech and get subsidized by others. I guess not so much if you're the leech. |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 9, 2016 19:19:02 GMT -5
Did I make a push for or against.? I made a statement.
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Post by machination on Nov 9, 2016 19:21:49 GMT -5
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Post by thisplacesux on Nov 9, 2016 19:50:59 GMT -5
I agree. I heard an interview with Mitch McConnell on 84WHAS on the way home today and he said a couple of things they want to accomplish was RTW and to do away with prevailing wage laws. Bottom line is we all have to stick together, that's what a union is in the first place. Like the state motto says: united we stand, divided we fall....
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 9, 2016 19:56:09 GMT -5
Does RTW have to be voted in by the people or can the legislators implement this?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 9, 2016 21:27:27 GMT -5
Me personally,if I gotta shit the union or management doesn't have anything to do with it?Ill leave in a heart beat .Then if I get fired I'll get me a lawyer and see how it goes.Im definitely not for no union..But if RTW comes I'll pay my dues till I retire.Then I don't care anymore..
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Post by agslater on Nov 10, 2016 0:22:52 GMT -5
Even if it turns Trump is still more powerful than Mitch. They already dont like each other. Trump was probably more pro union than hillary. Im sure a lot of our union dues went to support hillary an other democrats.I do beleive their will be a lot of changes in KY however. Only time will tell.
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Post by nra4life on Nov 10, 2016 6:52:59 GMT -5
Does RTW have to be voted in by the people or can the legislators implement this? Legislators vote on this, and when it passed in Indiana & Missouri the unions screamed about not letting the people vote......BUT then the union decided to raise our dues without letting the membership vote.....irony? |
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Post by toddstang on Nov 10, 2016 10:49:50 GMT -5
I think RTW may make our union great again.
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Nov 10, 2016 11:22:16 GMT -5
I heard on the radio that Tennessee had the biggest growth percentage wise in the past year, and it is a RTW state. So who knows what will happen?
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Post by nra4life on Nov 10, 2016 12:31:37 GMT -5
I heard on the radio that Tennessee had the biggest growth percentage wise in the past year, and it is a RTW state. So who knows what will happen? It will bring jobs, no doubt about it, the union will cry they are low wage non union jobs. Indiana is RTW, Ky isn't. That's why Amazon is siting across the river instead of here. You have UPS world port here, if RTW comes to Ky there will millions of jobs brought to this area simply because of UPS. UPS has thousands of acres of warehouse space that is simply used to store products made elsewhere & then they ship them out as needed for those companies, some of those products would probably be made here if Ky was RTW. Smart thing would be to let them come & then try to organize them. I'm not anti union but I have a major issue of raising my dues without giving me a vote in the matter, not to mention that it was done with a "all in favor raise your hand" vote at the international level. Guys didn't have the balls to stand up and show their faces when they voted. |
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Post by justaworker on Nov 10, 2016 14:46:53 GMT -5
I heard on the radio that Tennessee had the biggest growth percentage wise in the past year, and it is a RTW state. So who knows what will happen? It will bring jobs, no doubt about it, the union will cry they are low wage non union jobs. Indiana is RTW, Ky isn't. That's why Amazon is siting across the river instead of here. You have UPS world port here, if RTW comes to Ky there will millions of jobs brought to this area simply because of UPS. UPS has thousands of acres of warehouse space that is simply used to store products made elsewhere & then they ship them out as needed for those companies, some of those products would probably be made here if Ky was RTW. Smart thing would be to let them come & then try to organize them. I'm not anti union but I have a major issue of raising my dues without giving me a vote in the matter, not to mention that it was done with a "all in favor raise your hand" vote at the international level. Guys didn't have the balls to stand up and show their faces when they voted. very well said, sir. |
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Post by rimfirejunkie on Nov 10, 2016 18:26:29 GMT -5
Kentuckys house flipped sides. Get ready for RTW. It's coming It was coming anyway! Lol |
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Post by richktp1 on Nov 17, 2016 5:48:01 GMT -5
When RTW hit Indiana, 95% voluntarily quit paying union dues. Here we are with the "THEY CAN DO THAT" bunch. Interesting days ahead. Plenty of propaganda for and against headed our way.
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Post by hughjorgan on Nov 17, 2016 6:08:40 GMT -5
95% ? Did you just pull that figure out of your ass? I cannot find any data anywhere that supports that high of a number. Let's just all quit, because the comany gives us the benefits and pay out of the kindness of their heart. Talk to your neighbors that work down in Georgetown who have been part time for 10 years, or the ones who have been shit canned because they are mo longer physically able to do their job.Do I agree with everything our union does, no. My Son just spent 7 months as a STS before getting placed in progression. Crock of shit. This Corporation does not do shit to help its employees willingly. I've been to the Mexico plants. You want to go back to the 60'S ergonomically and safety wise, head on down south.You can see how your company works it's people.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 17, 2016 7:35:40 GMT -5
Funny thing is most anti union folks I know are liberals???Isnt the UAW ran by liberals???
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Post by blackbird66 on Nov 17, 2016 12:44:47 GMT -5
Funny thing is most anti union folks I know are liberals???Isnt the UAW ran by liberals??? On the front side conservatives ( Republicans ) have been the anti Union and liberals ( Democrats ) have been pro Union. It does appear that the socialistic policies of taking from those who have, to give to those who have not, which seem to effect us more than the "wealthy" are promoted by the Democrats. All the while champing to be our friends and have our best interest. Conversely the Republicans have pushed to directly effect us, such as constantly pushing to end overtime pay, and other anti Union policies. So, ultimately we are left with a reality that neither of them are truly our friends. |
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Post by thisplacesux on Nov 17, 2016 19:18:14 GMT -5
Funny thing is most anti union folks I know are liberals???Isnt the UAW ran by liberals??? On the front side conservatives ( Republicans ) have been the anti Union and liberals ( Democrats ) have been pro Union. It does appear that the socialistic policies of taking from those who have, to give to those who have not, which seem to effect us more than the "wealthy" are promoted by the Democrats. All the while champing to be our friends and have our best interest. Conversely the Republicans have pushed to directly effect us, such as constantly pushing to end overtime pay, and other anti Union policies. So, ultimately we are left with a reality that neither of them are truly our friends. Exactly. Not to mention that democrats have crippled the auto industry with unrealistic CAFE standards, worlds highest corporate tax rates and also very strick environmental laws that other "free trade" partners don't seem to abide by. Doesn't do any good to support unions and labor laws in this country while you're pushing the company that employs said employees across the border. Ideally we need a moderate government that is friendly to both sides but then we wouldn't be so divided, thus harder to control... |
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Post by machination on Nov 18, 2016 20:43:57 GMT -5
95% ? Did you just pull that figure out of your ass? I cannot find any data anywhere that supports that high of a number. Let's just all quit, because the comany gives us the benefits and pay out of the kindness of their heart. Talk to your neighbors that work down in Georgetown who have been part time for 10 years, or the ones who have been shit canned because they are mo longer physically able to do their job.Do I agree with everything our union does, no. My Son just spent 7 months as a STS before getting placed in progression. Crock of shit. This Corporation does not do shit to help its employees willingly. I've been to the Mexico plants. You want to go back to the 60'S ergonomically and safety wise, head on down south.You can see how your company works it's people. Fact is these RTW people are hopelessly full of it. They pretend to know so much about the world when in reality they just don't know shit. Nothing but a bunch of clueless sheep. They complain about how the company mistreats them (cue violins), then want to weaken the only entity that offers them any protection at all. Absolute lunacy. Good job! Cretins...Sorry, do you need your coloring books and playdoh now? Maybe they think that if they kiss enough of the boss's ass they won't need a union to protect them? Maybe they think because they're a hard workin' country boy the suits in admin will admire their efforts? Maybe they think if their was no union, or a weakened union, the company would be nicer to them? (This is the "lets just cave" chickenshit theory) Or maybe they're just rino's who would leech off the working man next to them to save a couple of hours of pay per month. Whatever it is, it's pathetic. Playdoh? |
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Post by machination on Nov 19, 2016 18:56:21 GMT -5
Funny thing is most anti union folks I know are liberals???
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 19, 2016 20:18:25 GMT -5
You seem a little tense machy.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 20, 2016 17:05:22 GMT -5
Like I said the "fucked"up liberals I know..family members to be exact couldn't believe how we were getting paid as well as receiving SUB pay from the UAW..They would say that's not right to get both,? Unions are awful!No wonder cars are so high!!.Hey Machy .Go back into your office and jerk your boss off ..
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2016 0:07:30 GMT -5
Like I said the "fucked"up liberals I know..family members to be exact couldn't believe how we were getting paid as well as receiving SUB pay from the UAW..They would say that's not right to get both,? Unions are awful!No wonder cars are so high!!.Hey Machy .Go back into your office and jerk your boss off .. I don't have an office and I'm a heterosexual.
You should tell your confused anti-union friends who think you are the reason why cars are so expensive to understand that the company has less than a third the number of union employees it had 20 years ago, has cut benefits, no longer offers defined benefit pensions to employees hired for what the last 10 years? and dramatically cut pay for new hires, and is making RECORD profits, and the cars haven't went down in price at all. Explain to them that due to this it's pretty obvious that the price of the vehicles has very little to do with what the workers get paid, and everything to do with corporate greed. Painfully obvious even. Then you can explain to them that it is their antiworker mentality that is why THEY don't have much hope of making much more money in the future either, nor their kids or grandkids, due to the loss of high-wage manufacturing in this country, because anyone who contributes to the "them-damn-union-workers-are-over-paid" narrative contributes to the economic downfall of the American working class by influencing popular opinion negatively with "wage-envy". Because that's the whole root cause of their argument.
Then tell those slaves to jerk THEIR bosses off, since they sort of already are.
Love ya brother.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 22, 2016 5:36:35 GMT -5
Trust me I rip their asses..
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Post by pmooret on Nov 22, 2016 11:52:08 GMT -5
Like I said the "fucked"up liberals I know..family members to be exact couldn't believe how we were getting paid as well as receiving SUB pay from the UAW..They would say that's not right to get both,? Unions are awful!No wonder cars are so high!!.Hey Machy .Go back into your office and jerk your boss off .. I don't have an office and I'm a heterosexual.
You should tell your confused anti-union friends who think you are the reason why cars are so expensive to understand that the company has less than a third the number of union employees it had 20 years ago, has cut benefits, no longer offers defined benefit pensions to employees hired for what the last 10 years? and dramatically cut pay for new hires, and is making RECORD profits, and the cars haven't went down in price at all. Explain to them that due to this it's pretty obvious that the price of the vehicles has very little to do with what the workers get paid, and everything to do with corporate greed. Painfully obvious even. Then you can explain to them that it is their antiworker mentality that is why THEY don't have much hope of making much more money in the future either, nor their kids or grandkids, due to the loss of high-wage manufacturing in this country, because anyone who contributes to the "them-damn-union-workers-are-over-paid" narrative contributes to the economic downfall of the American working class by influencing popular opinion negatively with "wage-envy". Because that's the whole root cause of their argument.
Then tell those slaves to jerk THEIR bosses off, since they sort of already are.
Love ya brother.
For years, non union companies paid fairly competitive wages and benefits to keep out the unions, thus ours was the scale for comparison. These folks also complained about our insurance complaining that they had to pay for this and that. When our wages and benefits went down, so did theirs. Folks need to quit bellyaching as they may find themselves victims of, shall we say, poetic justice. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 14:50:47 GMT -5
Very few people understand that the cost of producing a product has little or nothing to do with the retail price of the product. Products are sold at the highest price they will bring. It's not really greed though. It's how the free market works. The union helps us to get the highest price possible for our labor. The true driver of the concessions we have seen is the perception that a company like Toyota had more attractive stock to investors than a company like Ford.
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