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Aws
Dec 12, 2016 6:44:41 GMT -5
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Post by newtrade on Dec 12, 2016 6:44:41 GMT -5
Hearing rumors of going back to 3 crew shifts for skilled trades. Any one else?
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Dec 12, 2016 20:32:36 GMT -5
Post by beenaround on Dec 12, 2016 20:32:36 GMT -5
At this point not a chance of that happening.
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Dec 15, 2016 22:32:29 GMT -5
Post by Ktp1989 on Dec 15, 2016 22:32:29 GMT -5
Anything talked about yet...no. Would discussions be considered now that suv has lost a shift in both paint and both...yes.
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Dec 16, 2016 4:47:07 GMT -5
Post by tiger66 on Dec 16, 2016 4:47:07 GMT -5
I heard once the new SUV launches, both shifts will come back
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Dec 16, 2016 11:13:04 GMT -5
Post by beenaround on Dec 16, 2016 11:13:04 GMT -5
If we are only building the suv and nothing else with it,and the order bank stays as is. There will be no need for a C Crew in the body and paint depts,
If maintenance were to go back to a traditional work schedule then there would be a layoff amongst trades for sure. Don't think union wants to see that. Plus at some point when all the project work runs out for the trades, with the aws schedule there will be limited opportunities for OT. Company LOVES that.
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Dec 21, 2016 4:54:46 GMT -5
Post by newtrade on Dec 21, 2016 4:54:46 GMT -5
3 crew for old body starts in Feb. A single Union rep negotiated the change with the COMPANY. Have seen the email. 3 8 hour M-F shifts. The details for the weekend shift are not clear.
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Dec 21, 2016 10:37:45 GMT -5
Post by beenaround on Dec 21, 2016 10:37:45 GMT -5
Heard this also. This is a ugly scenario for the plant. One way or the other should be the way it works for all.Wonder how they will legitimately run the OT equalization?
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Aws
Dec 22, 2016 3:01:55 GMT -5
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Post by tradesman on Dec 22, 2016 3:01:55 GMT -5
Paint SUV body and central going back to traditional shift in feb
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Dec 22, 2016 15:35:43 GMT -5
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Post by tradesman on Dec 22, 2016 15:35:43 GMT -5
Coverage in area still same...master for projects with 12 taking precedent ...follow ed by 8s and then 4s
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Dec 22, 2016 19:53:21 GMT -5
Post by beenaround on Dec 22, 2016 19:53:21 GMT -5
Coverage in area still same...master for projects with 12 taking precedent ...follow ed by 8s and then 4s That method would discriminate against the trades in suv paint,body,and central as their only option would be 4 early or 4 over. A big pile of rotten apples ready to dump in this place I think. |
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Dec 22, 2016 20:32:35 GMT -5
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Post by tradesman on Dec 22, 2016 20:32:35 GMT -5
I totally agree... it should be either traditional or aws for all how could this even been negotiated
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Dec 23, 2016 9:05:10 GMT -5
Post by newtrade on Dec 23, 2016 9:05:10 GMT -5
Jim Metcalfe. Eric Brown has a copy of the email. It is in no way fair AWS crews can take 24 hrs vacation and get 9 days off or take 36 hrs and get 11 days off. Another example A crew can work the 2 double time days on the short week which is 5 12 hr days and gross is 3310.35. On traditional if you work 4 over each day for a total of 60 hrs gross is 2663.5, if you get to keep the 12.5% that was given for going to AWS. This is a very UNJUST situation.
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Dec 23, 2016 11:50:18 GMT -5
Post by beenaround on Dec 23, 2016 11:50:18 GMT -5
Guess the next big question is(If this Transpires) Will trades get to vote on this garbage or will it be crammed down our throats like the AWS was? In the letter sent out yesterday it said the company was exploring the possibility of shift changes to trades in suv body,paint,and central to a 5x8 pattern with a small D%E weekend crews.
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Aws
Dec 23, 2016 16:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by tradesman on Dec 23, 2016 16:54:18 GMT -5
If this goes thru those techs in SUV paint body and in central are screwed on overtime who going to pick you up for 4 hours in other area. No one that who. Bunch of garbage. Like I said how could the union even entertained the idea.
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Dec 23, 2016 21:08:22 GMT -5
Post by ktpelec on Dec 23, 2016 21:08:22 GMT -5
Not everyone likes every schedule, no matter if it's the traditional, AWS, or any other etc.. Hopefully there will be an opportunity for those that want to go back to the traditional schedule to get on it, based on seniority.
I can't speak for anyone else, but myself I've been on the AWS for 4 years at LAP and love it. Recently in the Final area a select few jobs were setup for the traditional schedule, giving people that want to go back to the 5 eight hour days, a chance to apply for them.
Overtime equalization has always been a problem between shifts, no matter what the overall schedule is, it will never be a perfect situation.
Merry Christmas!
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Dec 29, 2016 22:34:03 GMT -5
Post by Ktp1989 on Dec 29, 2016 22:34:03 GMT -5
3 crew for old body starts in Feb. A single Union rep negotiated the change with the COMPANY. Have seen the email. 3 8 hour M-F shifts. The details for the weekend shift are not clear. A single union rep didn't negotiate anything...shift pattern changes are not a negotiated item. Company sets the shifts based on truck sales. |
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Dec 29, 2016 22:37:28 GMT -5
Post by Ktp1989 on Dec 29, 2016 22:37:28 GMT -5
Coverage in area still same...master for projects with 12 taking precedent ...follow ed by 8s and then 4s That method would discriminate against the trades in suv paint,body,and central as their only option would be 4 early or 4 over. A big pile of rotten apples ready to dump in this place I think. seniority will get you where you want to go...if you have any. |
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Dec 29, 2016 22:39:50 GMT -5
Post by Ktp1989 on Dec 29, 2016 22:39:50 GMT -5
If this goes thru those techs in SUV paint body and in central are screwed on overtime who going to pick you up for 4 hours in other area. No one that who. Bunch of garbage. Like I said how could the union even entertained the idea. obviously new to this industry...union doesn't entertain shift changes...anyone who thinks the company ask the union for a shift pattern has not been here long. |
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Dec 30, 2016 11:25:27 GMT -5
Post by beenaround on Dec 30, 2016 11:25:27 GMT -5
That method would discriminate against the trades in suv paint,body,and central as their only option would be 4 early or 4 over. A big pile of rotten apples ready to dump in this place I think. seniority will get you where you want to go...if you have any. Seniority on OT only has bearing when all OT hours are zeroed. |
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Dec 30, 2016 22:34:41 GMT -5
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Post by tradesman on Dec 30, 2016 22:34:41 GMT -5
raised and worked in Union all my life but first time ever involved in a company union
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Dec 31, 2016 10:37:41 GMT -5
Post by beenaround on Dec 31, 2016 10:37:41 GMT -5
Sadly that's pretty much what it has become. More so at this plant than any other I have been in.
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Jan 3, 2017 0:13:21 GMT -5
Post by newtrade on Jan 3, 2017 0:13:21 GMT -5
3 crew for old body starts in Feb. A single Union rep negotiated the change with the COMPANY. Have seen the email. 3 8 hour M-F shifts. The details for the weekend shift are not clear. A single union rep didn't negotiate anything...shift pattern changes are not a negotiated item. Company sets the shifts based on truck sales. Page 221a and 222a of 2015 contract discuss aws, written in black and white. |
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Jan 5, 2017 19:53:24 GMT -5
Post by Ktp1989 on Jan 5, 2017 19:53:24 GMT -5
appendix H shows the info on aws in the National Agreement...the statement was in response to someone suggesting a single person in the local union negotiated a shift. What the statement should have said was shift patterns are not a negotiated item locally...especially by 1 individual, and since you found it in the national agreement you then understand that this was agreed upon well before these changes came about, by many not in this plant...hence you proved my point that a single person did not negotiate any shift pattern...dispelling your original comment that "A single union rep negotiated the change with the Company". And to be clear that was voted in by a majority of production workers who will never work the AWS crew that trades work on.
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