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Post by ktpveteran6499 on Nov 17, 2017 5:17:36 GMT -5
Can someone bump a medically placed individual as long as they are getting medically placed and have more seniority?
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 17, 2017 10:47:58 GMT -5
I would say no. Should work that way but once you go medical restrictions you piss off a lot of bosses and they won't work with you. Good luck
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Nov 17, 2017 14:27:09 GMT -5
I'm not so sure...
If you are medically placed on a job, you can't bump a senior person, you have to bump the lowest senior person on that operation regardless of shift.........or so it was once.
If two people are medically placed on a job, I'd imagine the higher seniority person would get the shift preference.
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Post by toddstang on Nov 19, 2017 19:32:10 GMT -5
Yes you can.
Within 2 years of seniority.
It is written in our local agreement.
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 19, 2017 20:38:08 GMT -5
Is there a local contract that's been agreed to?
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Post by nra4life on Nov 19, 2017 21:46:58 GMT -5
Yes, 2011 local still in effect
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Post by machination on Nov 20, 2017 5:38:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain that you cannot bump a medically placed person by getting yourself medically placed while having more seniority. If this is in the local agreement please post a pic of this so we can see the language. Once someone is medically placed that's it, they're on that job period. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 20, 2017 5:47:51 GMT -5
Yes you can. Within 2 years of seniority. It is written in our local agreement. No you cannot. Our Local Agreement, on pages 63 & 64, Job Placement Procedure/Guidelines: "Restricted employees should not replace other restricted or permanently medically placed employees already on the job."
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Post by toddstang on Nov 20, 2017 17:20:34 GMT -5
This did not hold water at LAP. When you have a medical placement on a gravy A crew job with 4 years seniority, an 18 year restricted employee will Trump that all day long. Lower seniority bumped to night shift.
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 20, 2017 18:01:03 GMT -5
This is not lap.
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 20, 2017 18:10:16 GMT -5
When someone goes on medical restrictions all the rules go out the window. I'm not saying any of it is right I'm saying once the boss has them placed on a job, they will find the next restriction another job so they don't have to move 2 people and retrain both.
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2017 1:24:49 GMT -5
Yes you can. Within 2 years of seniority. It is written in our local agreement. No you cannot. Our Local Agreement, on pages 63 & 64, Job Placement Procedure/Guidelines: "Restricted employees should not replace other restricted or permanently medically placed employees already on the job."
Once again seniority goes by the wayside. Thought so. This is another example of someone declaring something to be true without examining the facts, then the facts confirm that the declarer is full of shit. Pay attention new people. You'll see this your entire career here. Read the contract. |
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 22, 2017 7:06:49 GMT -5
toddstang is probably correct that the procedure is different at LAP. It is different in other UAW/Ford assembly plants. It is a matter of each local contract. Anyone who transfers to KTP will tell you that things are different elsewhere.
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2017 9:18:37 GMT -5
toddstang is probably correct that the procedure is different at LAP. It is different in other UAW/Ford assembly plants. It is a matter of each local contract. Anyone who transfers to KTP will tell you that things are different elsewhere. This is the KTP forum. And I would be very surprised if the medical placement procedure at the other unit in our local would allow medicals to bump medicals. Neither the company nor the union would want to have to manage that much bs, and it would be fundamentally unfair to people who are legitimately hurt. The purpose of the procedure is to give someone hurt the opportunity to keep working on a job they can do. Bumping each other would effectively double the amount of people trying to get placed then re-placed and so on. I don't buy it. If that's how it is at LAP, one of them should post a pic here of the page. |
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Post by pmooret on Nov 22, 2017 10:48:56 GMT -5
In addition to the contract there are "guidelines" or "usual and customary" practices at each plant. This is where the differences are. Years ago LAP had a rule/guideline that a person on a job with up to but no more than two years more seniority than a medical placement could be displaced thus a person with restrictions could not displace a person who had 2+ more years of seniority. These guidelines are usually decided by labor as each dispute arises, however; as time goes by and personnel in labor changes these guideline go out the window with the old labor and union reps which puts you back to square one.
The way that medicals end up on high senority jobs is when the job is open whereas they are not displacing anyone. However shift preference "usually" is still based on senority.
In the instance given by toddstang I am unclear as to whether the 4 year and 18 year person are on the same job.
All of the above subject to change, interpretation, and the opinions of the current union, lol.
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 22, 2017 19:02:21 GMT -5
I assume toddstang works at LAP.
Every UAW/Ford represented facility is represented by their own Building Chairman and Bargaining Committee who negotiate the local UAW contract for that facility. KTP and LAP operate under two separate contracts. Every UAW/Ford facility operates under its own local UAW/Ford agreement. And they all differ in their details.
So why are we both UAW Local 862? Beats me.
By the way, machination... you'd be surprised by how other UAW/Ford facilities "manage that much bs."
Despite all the nonsense about work clothing, free Gatoraid, tee shirts and other bs... local contracts are all about seniority, work rules and health and safety. And seniority, work rules and health and safety come down to whether or not your local union will back you in a dispute with the company.
At KTP compared to other UAW/Ford facilities the answer is "not so much."
The company long-term goal of divide-and-conquer is triumphant at KTP. Ya'll had better pray that Scott Eskridge never becomes UAW President. Don't laugh. A few years ago he told me that, in his opinion, "unions are a dinosaur."
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Post by machination on Nov 22, 2017 22:20:00 GMT -5
Many years ago at KTP a person could be medically placed on a job bumping a person with up to 2 years more seniority, I saw it happen, but it's been changed since then. I know of someone else years later who did not get bumped because he had more time than the medical person, but it was less than 2 years. So that, at least, has been gone for some time. Now I believe they have to have more seniority flat out. As far as medicals bumping other medicals, I can't see them getting bumped off the JOB and told to find another one, but I could see them getting ROLLED to another shift to do the SAME job if they had less seniority. That's plausible. I don't believe that there is specific language on that, so it would likely have to be worked out between the Medical Dept., the Union, and Labor Relations.
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Post by pmooret on Nov 23, 2017 2:24:01 GMT -5
Damn, all I ever see in the local contract is the same thing every time, upgrades to the bathrooms (perhaps an ac unit! What happen to the old ac unit?) uniforms (use to be issued on a daily basis in the old days and we lost that so now it's a perk, lol), parking lot issues (spots for motorcycles, bicycles so that they don't have to take up a full spot, oooh!). Regarding the bathrooms: please tell me what other company in the civilized nation only has bathroom issues addressed every four years by a f@@#ing contract?
And the kicker is they can't get all of this negotiated on time? Simply reprint the last one.
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Post by nra4life on Nov 23, 2017 18:54:20 GMT -5
Damn, all I ever see in the local contract is the same thing every time, upgrades to the bathrooms (perhaps an ac unit! What happen to the old ac unit?) uniforms (use to be issued on a daily basis in the old days and we lost that so now it's a perk, lol), parking lot issues (spots for motorcycles, bicycles so that they don't have to take up a full spot, oooh!). Regarding the bathrooms: please tell me what other company in the civilized nation only has bathroom issues addressed every four years by a f@@#ing contract? And the kicker is they can't get all of this negotiated on time? Simply reprint the last one. Hell the union is sponsoring the annual pool tournament in a few weeks what the hell you all want out of them. 🙄 |
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Post by toddstang on Dec 1, 2017 16:32:00 GMT -5
Yes, I am at LAP. Our union let's the in plant doctor choose what job medical placement goes too. Of course their doc is not interested in your restrictions so he makes his own interpretations. Now it seems a lot of legit medicals are being put out on no work available at LAP.
862 as one whole union? We all pay the same amount of dues but solidarity is thrown out the window.
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