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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 6, 2018 10:07:57 GMT -5
Ok.If 2 teams combine the highest seniority TL becomes TL.Thus shouldn’t all TL positions be filled by seniority?
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Post by reedycreekbuc on Feb 6, 2018 10:26:56 GMT -5
Please don't start this again!
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 6, 2018 10:41:06 GMT -5
Start what?People getting screwed?
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Post by beenaround on Feb 6, 2018 11:25:01 GMT -5
I'll agree with Metal on this. Then an election would determine who would ultimately assume the position.
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Post by agslater on Feb 6, 2018 12:58:45 GMT -5
I agree the whole election thing causes problems within the team. Even if its supposed to be anonymously elected we all know who voted for who.
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Post by machination on Feb 8, 2018 19:03:08 GMT -5
I agree the whole election thing causes problems within the team. Even if its supposed to be anonymously elected we all know who voted for who. Totally agree. The team would have much less problems if a senior guy, like me, bid on and got your team leader spot. Bid team leader isn't accountable to you shits at all. You'll never get rid of me as long as I do my core job. And speaking of shit, giving bathroom breaks isn't required of team leaders. They do it cus it's the right thing to do and they need to get re-elected. Remove the election process and your team leader can stand back and laugh while you shit your fucking pants. That would certainly be better for the team. Much less drama. You new hires, with your "ideas", make me lol so fucking hard. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by machination on Feb 8, 2018 19:07:25 GMT -5
Ok.If 2 teams combine the highest seniority TL becomes TL.Thus shouldn’t all TL positions be filled by seniority? And if I may correct you on this point, Darth Bullshit, of the two teams being combined, the team leader of the one that brings the most operations to the combined team retains the TL position regardless of seniority, just like when 2 jobs get combined and amount of work is considered. Oh 2019 can't get here fast enough 😉 |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 8, 2018 20:12:07 GMT -5
Ok.If 2 teams combine the highest seniority TL becomes TL.Thus shouldn’t all TL positions be filled by seniority? And if I may correct you on this point, Darth Bullshit, of the two teams being combined, the team leader of the one that brings the most operations to the combined team retains the TL position regardless of seniority, just like when 2 jobs get combined and amount of work is considered. Oh 2019 can't get here fast enough 😉[/quote Here’s all I know.Teams blend,one team brings (3) jobs to a team with (4) jobs .Guy with (3) jobs gets team leader and has higher seniority than guy with (4) ..Facts period.Someones wrong.Surely it’s not you..PS 2019 I’m gone so no more arguing 😞 |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 8, 2018 20:19:57 GMT -5
I agree the whole election thing causes problems within the team. Even if its supposed to be anonymously elected we all know who voted for who. Totally agree. The team would have much less problems if a senior guy, like me, bid on and got your team leader spot. Bid team leader isn't accountable to you shits at all. You'll never get rid of me as long as I do my core job. And speaking of shit, giving bathroom breaks isn't required of team leaders. They do it cus it's the right thing to do and they need to get re-elected. Remove the election process and your team leader can stand back and laugh while you shit your fucking pants. That would certainly be better for the team. Much less drama. You new hires, with your "ideas", make me lol so fucking hard. 😂😂😂😂 The way you solve all these CAREER TLS. Is you do it by seniority YEARLY.Each person on team will get the chance to be a lazy fuck and do the CORE job as you call it.It should never be a popularity contest. Most TLS should just become management,after a few years of fucking the team they forget what it’s like to work on the line.Also if you shit your pants waiting on a dumbass to give you a break you must be stupid.It is the TLS job the relieve team members to go to the restroom..Trust me..Ask Allen |
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Post by agslater on Feb 8, 2018 21:25:39 GMT -5
I agree the whole election thing causes problems within the team. Even if its supposed to be anonymously elected we all know who voted for who. Totally agree. The team would have much less problems if a senior guy, like me, bid on and got your team leader spot. Bid team leader isn't accountable to you shits at all. You'll never get rid of me as long as I do my core job. And speaking of shit, giving bathroom breaks isn't required of team leaders. They do it cus it's the right thing to do and they need to get re-elected. Remove the election process and your team leader can stand back and laugh while you shit your fucking pants. That would certainly be better for the team. Much less drama. You new hires, with your "ideas", make me lol so fucking hard. 😂😂😂😂 Not an idea old man. I dont give 2 shits who is team lead. On my team we dont get breaks for shit anyways. You old fucks forget were the ones taking care of you soon and whiping your asses. Also I could give a fuck If youve been here 30 years whoopty fuck. Who really cares? |
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Post by machination on Feb 8, 2018 21:55:30 GMT -5
Totally agree. The team would have much less problems if a senior guy, like me, bid on and got your team leader spot. Bid team leader isn't accountable to you shits at all. You'll never get rid of me as long as I do my core job. And speaking of shit, giving bathroom breaks isn't required of team leaders. They do it cus it's the right thing to do and they need to get re-elected. Remove the election process and your team leader can stand back and laugh while you shit your fucking pants. That would certainly be better for the team. Much less drama. You new hires, with your "ideas", make me lol so fucking hard. 😂😂😂😂 Not an idea old man. I dont give 2 shits who is team lead. On my team we dont get breaks for shit anyways. You old fucks forget were the ones taking care of you soon and whiping your asses. Also I could give a fuck If youve been here 30 years whoopty fuck. Who really cares? The funniest part is how neither you nor Darth Bullshit really know wtf you're talking about. 6 months into your shit ideas and you'd be begging to have an election. I promise you that. LOL |
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Post by machination on Feb 8, 2018 22:27:08 GMT -5
And if I may correct you on this point, Darth Bullshit, of the two teams being combined, the team leader of the one that brings the most operations to the combined team retains the TL position regardless of seniority, just like when 2 jobs get combined and amount of work is considered. Oh 2019 can't get here fast enough 😉[/quote Here’s all I know.Teams blend,one team brings (3) jobs to a team with (4) jobs .Guy with (3) jobs gets team leader and has higher seniority than guy with (4) ..Facts period.Someones wrong.Surely it’s not you..PS 2019 I’m gone so no more arguing 😞 Oh c'mon don't have a sad frowny face, I'm just having fun. I mean, I'm right and all that. But still. And you know you can't wait until contract time. It'll be a hoot 😀 |
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Post by machination on Feb 8, 2018 22:31:26 GMT -5
Totally agree. The team would have much less problems if a senior guy, like me, bid on and got your team leader spot. Bid team leader isn't accountable to you shits at all. You'll never get rid of me as long as I do my core job. And speaking of shit, giving bathroom breaks isn't required of team leaders. They do it cus it's the right thing to do and they need to get re-elected. Remove the election process and your team leader can stand back and laugh while you shit your fucking pants. That would certainly be better for the team. Much less drama. You new hires, with your "ideas", make me lol so fucking hard. 😂😂😂😂 Not an idea old man. I dont give 2 shits who is team lead. On my team we dont get breaks for shit anyways. You old fucks forget were the ones taking care of you soon and whiping your asses. Also I could give a fuck If youve been here 30 years whoopty fuck. Who really cares? Here I'll dump some reality on ya real quick. Ready? My pension and savings will take care of me. The company's good fortune and my own planning will take care of me. You won't take care of shit. You'll do what you're told on the line, and lay in there and get it. Put that in your millennial pipe and smoke it new guy 😉 |
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Post by agslater on Feb 9, 2018 2:38:46 GMT -5
Not an idea old man. I dont give 2 shits who is team lead. On my team we dont get breaks for shit anyways. You old fucks forget were the ones taking care of you soon and whiping your asses. Also I could give a fuck If youve been here 30 years whoopty fuck. Who really cares? Here I'll dump some reality on ya real quick. Ready? My pension and savings will take care of me. The company's good fortune and my own planning will take care of me. You won't take care of shit. You'll do what you're told on the line, and lay in there and get it. Put that in your millennial pipe and smoke it new guy 😉 Just make sure you don't break your hip before you retire. Also I hope your not one of the old guys from your generation thats smoked for 30+ years bc you wont be enjoying that pension long.😎 |
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Post by machination on Feb 9, 2018 4:25:02 GMT -5
Here I'll dump some reality on ya real quick. Ready? My pension and savings will take care of me. The company's good fortune and my own planning will take care of me. You won't take care of shit. You'll do what you're told on the line, and lay in there and get it. Put that in your millennial pipe and smoke it new guy 😉 Just make sure you don't break your hip before you retire. Also I hope your not one of the old guys from your generation thats smoked for 30+ years bc you wont be enjoying that pension long.😎 I don't smoke. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 9, 2018 9:30:20 GMT -5
To me the whole TL thing is discrimininatory .If the team don’t like a person for various reasons (race,gender,age etc)They will never get the chance to be TL or make the extra money that others have.Its wrong and the people that have been TLS for years know it’s wrong but they have it made .Union should change it.Its just a job like any other job.Team don’t like you they sure will let you do the shittiest job on the team,why not the easiest?Machy I’m sure glad you found another person to correct and argue with!😊
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 9, 2018 13:44:38 GMT -5
Not an idea old man. I dont give 2 shits who is team lead. On my team we dont get breaks for shit anyways. You old fucks forget were the ones taking care of you soon and whiping your asses. Also I could give a fuck If youve been here 30 years whoopty fuck. Who really cares? The funniest part is how neither you nor Darth Bullshit really know wtf you're talking about. 6 months into your shit ideas and you'd be begging to have an election. I promise you that. LOL Wrong!Why after 6 months Why would I want an election?For the past 10 yrs every TL I’ve had does exactly this. Get gloves Print drot Piss break Tells us if they cut it back Surveys for OT Go to TL meeting.. It’s not that hard.Even a POS like you could do it.Any other matters I use CP.. |
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Post by jathomas21 on Feb 12, 2018 15:17:58 GMT -5
The funniest part is how neither you nor Darth Bullshit really know wtf you're talking about. 6 months into your shit ideas and you'd be begging to have an election. I promise you that. LOL Wrong!Why after 6 months Why would I want an election?For the past 10 yrs every TL I’ve had does exactly this. Get gloves Print drot Piss break Tells us if they cut it back Surveys for OT Go to TL meeting.. It’s not that hard.Even a POS like you could do it.Any other matters I use CP.. I couldn’t agree more. I think it can be a rotated job or something like that (minus the raise) There are good, strong leaders who get overlooked because everyone on the team favors a shit bag. The team leader position is not hard. Anyone can do it. So there’s nothing wrong with letting the people who wanna do it take turns or something like that. However, if people wanted to work smarter and not harder they would always vote in someone who would work for the team and not against them. Why would you wanna vote in someone who has a poor work ethic already. Your team members are not your friends! So when they vote, they don’t always take the team into consideration which is ignorant but oh well |
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Post by machination on Feb 12, 2018 15:54:11 GMT -5
Wrong!Why after 6 months Why would I want an election?For the past 10 yrs every TL I’ve had does exactly this. Get gloves Print drot Piss break Tells us if they cut it back Surveys for OT Go to TL meeting.. It’s not that hard.Even a POS like you could do it.Any other matters I use CP.. I couldn’t agree more. I think it can be a rotated job or something like that (minus the raise) There are good, strong leaders who get overlooked because everyone on the team favors a shit bag. The team leader position is not hard. Anyone can do it. So there’s nothing wrong with letting the people who wanna do it take turns or something like that. However, if people wanted to work smarter and not harder they would always vote in someone who would work for the team and not against them. Why would you wanna vote in someone who has a poor work ethic already. Your team members are not your friends! So when they vote, they don’t always take the team into consideration which is ignorant but oh well The contradictions in this thread crack me up. Don't want some shitbag TL so let's rotate it so we can get multiple shitbags. Some couldn't wait for their turn just to get off the line for a day or more not giving a shit about the team. And talking about how easy the position is but how come so few people usually run for it then? And I've had some absolute useless team leaders too, so even though anyone can technically "do it" the huge difference is in doing it right. I've had many more team leaders over the years than you new guys, and let me tell you there are vast differences in how that job can be done. If your team doesn't have enough combined brain power or maturity to avoid settling into cliques and popularity contests instead of electing the right guy or girl, then it deserves a shit team leader lol. And if you think you all could do a better job, make some effort to herd the cats, somewhat unite the team, and get elected yourself. Then be the best team leader for the team, and the people will want you in. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 13, 2018 9:09:39 GMT -5
Bottom line is .Its a job with a Protocol ,if a person can do the hardest job on the team they should be allowed a chance at making more CASH.You shouldn’t have a vote because John buys doughnuts every Thursday.Plus if you are a minority or women you know that plays in to it.Not fair at all.And if the team rotated the TL position everyone on the team would know all the jobs ..That’s diversity.Thats productive.And it keeps management on their toes because they don’t have the same guy to make a puppet out of when THEY need something.
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Post by machination on Feb 13, 2018 16:34:09 GMT -5
Bottom line is .Its a job with a Protocol ,if a person can do the hardest job on the team they should be allowed a chance at making more CASH.You shouldn’t have a vote because John buys doughnuts every Thursday.Plus if you are a minority or women you know that plays in to it.Not fair at all.And if the team rotated the TL position everyone on the team would know all the jobs ..That’s diversity.Thats productive.And it keeps management on their toes because they don’t have the same guy to make a puppet out of when THEY need something. If your team is voting for someone because he buys them doughnuts then those fat fucks deserve him lol. And it's not diversity, it's versatility, which is easy to achieve. Here's how: TL tells mgmt the team needs more versatility, and secures the DC's backing. TL has awol coverage person cover person #1's job while he trains on another job for an hour or up to 2.9. If no awol coverage guy is available then TL does it. If awol guy says he's the awol guy tell him that's just another word for "extra" and to cover the guy to help the team or get the fuck off the team. See HPS for team transfer. Repeat this for a few months, everyone willing gets full ARPS, and the team is versatile. You're welcome. And how does being a minority or woman play into it? Everyone gets one vote. There is no affirmative action in team leader elections. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 13, 2018 17:30:55 GMT -5
Bottom line is .Its a job with a Protocol ,if a person can do the hardest job on the team they should be allowed a chance at making more CASH.You shouldn’t have a vote because John buys doughnuts every Thursday.Plus if you are a minority or women you know that plays in to it.Not fair at all.And if the team rotated the TL position everyone on the team would know all the jobs ..That’s diversity.Thats productive.And it keeps management on their toes because they don’t have the same guy to make a puppet out of when THEY need something. If your team is voting for someone because he buys them doughnuts then those fat fucks deserve him lol. And it's not diversity, it's versatility, which is easy to achieve. Here's how: TL tells mgmt the team needs more versatility, and secures the DC's backing. TL has awol coverage person cover person #1's job while he trains on another job for an hour or up to 2.9. If no awol coverage guy is available then TL does it. If awol guy says he's the awol guy tell him that's just another word for "extra" and to cover the guy to help the team or get the fuck off the team. See HPS for team transfer. Repeat this for a few months, everyone willing gets full ARPS, and the team is versatile. You're welcome. And how does being a minority or woman play into it? Everyone gets one vote. There is no affirmative action in team leader elections. All of this is bullshit.Theres not 1 TL that’s gonna do a job while the others train.Theres not on 1993 person on my team that’s gonna train on another job.Then there’s the minority on a team alone.You REALLY THINK THEY WILL WIN A ELECTION?You crack me up..Don’t have to learn jobs.All people on my team are ARPED. |
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Post by agslater on Feb 13, 2018 17:54:55 GMT -5
TL situation wouldnt be so bad if Ford had more guys that are supoosed to repair things. Our TL is constantly fixing things or repairing other ppl fuck ups. Thats one reason why our TL dissapears for hours sometimes. No telling wth else they are doing. Also you got the little babies who have to take 20 minute breaks in between every break to go smoke and sit on their ass without even going to restroom. They also whine and moan when tl is a little late for their "break".Huge reason why my team is shitty to be on especially when you gotta piss.
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Post by nra4life on Feb 13, 2018 18:20:51 GMT -5
TL situation wouldnt be so bad if Ford had more guys that are supoosed to repair things. Our TL is constantly fixing things or repairing other ppl fuck ups. Thats one reason why our TL dissapears for hours sometimes. No telling wth else they are doing. Also you got the little babies who have to take 20 minute breaks in between every break to go smoke and sit on their ass without even going to restroom. They also whine and moan when tl is a little late for their "break".Huge reason why my team is shitty to be on especially when you gotta piss. [br If your team leader is out doing repairs he is a suckass...vote them out. Their are jobs people get paid to do called repair. Your team leader is a tool with the company, probably one the many that have been doing it 15-20 years. 99.9% of those guys are basically management. Vote em out. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 13, 2018 19:02:00 GMT -5
TL situation wouldnt be so bad if Ford had more guys that are supoosed to repair things. Our TL is constantly fixing things or repairing other ppl fuck ups. Thats one reason why our TL dissapears for hours sometimes. No telling wth else they are doing. Also you got the little babies who have to take 20 minute breaks in between every break to go smoke and sit on their ass without even going to restroom. They also whine and moan when tl is a little late for their "break".Huge reason why my team is shitty to be on especially when you gotta piss. [br If your team leader is out doing repairs he is a suckass...vote them out. Their are jobs people get paid to do called repair. Your team leader is a tool with the company, probably one the many that have been doing it 15-20 years. 99.9% of those guys are basically management. Vote em out. Finally a sane person!!!!All true NRA... |
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Post by agslater on Feb 13, 2018 21:07:07 GMT -5
TL situation wouldnt be so bad if Ford had more guys that are supoosed to repair things. Our TL is constantly fixing things or repairing other ppl fuck ups. Thats one reason why our TL dissapears for hours sometimes. No telling wth else they are doing. Also you got the little babies who have to take 20 minute breaks in between every break to go smoke and sit on their ass without even going to restroom. They also whine and moan when tl is a little late for their "break".Huge reason why my team is shitty to be on especially when you gotta piss. [br If your team leader is out doing repairs he is a suckass...vote them out. Their are jobs people get paid to do called repair. Your team leader is a tool with the company, probably one the many that have been doing it 15-20 years. 99.9% of those guys are basically management. Vote em out. I agree. Majority wins though. Also these TL's ive had brown nose the shit out of supervisors. Thats prob why they kill themselves doing repairs and not giving breaks. |
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Post by machination on Feb 14, 2018 14:52:55 GMT -5
[br If your team leader is out doing repairs he is a suckass...vote them out. Their are jobs people get paid to do called repair. Your team leader is a tool with the company, probably one the many that have been doing it 15-20 years. 99.9% of those guys are basically management. Vote em out. I agree. Majority wins though. Also these TL's ive had brown nose the shit out of supervisors. Thats prob why they kill themselves doing repairs and not giving breaks. You do know that supervisors don't get a vote right? |
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Post by machination on Feb 14, 2018 14:54:50 GMT -5
TL situation wouldnt be so bad if Ford had more guys that are supoosed to repair things. Our TL is constantly fixing things or repairing other ppl fuck ups. Thats one reason why our TL dissapears for hours sometimes. No telling wth else they are doing. Also you got the little babies who have to take 20 minute breaks in between every break to go smoke and sit on their ass without even going to restroom. They also whine and moan when tl is a little late for their "break".Huge reason why my team is shitty to be on especially when you gotta piss. [br If your team leader is out doing repairs he is a suckass...vote them out. Their are jobs people get paid to do called repair. Your team leader is a tool with the company, probably one the many that have been doing it 15-20 years. 99.9% of those guys are basically management. Vote em out. I totally agree. Vote someone else in next election. Problem is, there probably isn't anyone with the balls to actually step up, am I right? |
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Post by machination on Feb 14, 2018 14:58:04 GMT -5
If your team is voting for someone because he buys them doughnuts then those fat fucks deserve him lol. And it's not diversity, it's versatility, which is easy to achieve. Here's how: TL tells mgmt the team needs more versatility, and secures the DC's backing. TL has awol coverage person cover person #1's job while he trains on another job for an hour or up to 2.9. If no awol coverage guy is available then TL does it. If awol guy says he's the awol guy tell him that's just another word for "extra" and to cover the guy to help the team or get the fuck off the team. See HPS for team transfer. Repeat this for a few months, everyone willing gets full ARPS, and the team is versatile. You're welcome. And how does being a minority or woman play into it? Everyone gets one vote. There is no affirmative action in team leader elections. All of this is bullshit.Theres not 1 TL that’s gonna do a job while the others train.Theres not on 1993 person on my team that’s gonna train on another job.Then there’s the minority on a team alone.You REALLY THINK THEY WILL WIN A ELECTION?You crack me up..Don’t have to learn jobs.All people on my team are ARPED. I've known TL's who will get their people trained. And if mgmt wanted to they could strip your people of their ARPS pay if they find out they don't really know all the jobs. It's rare but I've seen it happen. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Feb 14, 2018 16:31:17 GMT -5
All of this is bullshit.Theres not 1 TL that’s gonna do a job while the others train.Theres not on 1993 person on my team that’s gonna train on another job.Then there’s the minority on a team alone.You REALLY THINK THEY WILL WIN A ELECTION?You crack me up..Don’t have to learn jobs.All people on my team are ARPED. I've known TL's who will get their people trained. And if mgmt wanted to they could strip your people of their ARPS pay if they find out they don't really know all the jobs. It's rare but I've seen it happen. Never happen!When you’re ARPED that’s forever unless you go to a bid job.I left the line for metal finish and it took a few months for my TL tell me I wasn’t ARPED.Since then I’ve been on 6 different teams and I make the same as everybody else? |
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