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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 24, 2018 8:37:07 GMT -5
Ok a person with 94 seniority has their job dissolved,awol coverage guy has 95 seniority,there’s an open job on the team who fills it ?95 or 94 person?Contractually speaking.
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Post by beenaround on Aug 24, 2018 10:02:42 GMT -5
Should there be a question here? 94 naturally!
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Post by fivemore93 on Aug 24, 2018 10:08:20 GMT -5
Contractually speaking we do rock paper scissors says the union.
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Post by tiger66 on Aug 24, 2018 12:05:50 GMT -5
In all seriousness now it depends on which one is the biggest suck-ass.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 24, 2018 12:19:13 GMT -5
In all seriousness now it depends on which.My Thought is I actually have a job on our team job assignment (AWOL coverage)He doesn’t since they did away with it.He goes to AV work on team. |
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Post by tiger66 on Aug 24, 2018 12:33:35 GMT -5
Seniority. Absolutely no question. If the union would follow this they could cut all the bullshit out.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 24, 2018 12:34:55 GMT -5
Seniority. Absolutely no question. If the union would follow this they could cut all the bullshit out. So the senior person can bump a person off their job? |
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Post by tiger66 on Aug 24, 2018 13:21:17 GMT -5
On a team? Absolutely
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Post by beenaround on Aug 24, 2018 13:29:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure Metal, you have to bump the low senior person on team. Can't just bump whomever has the job you would like.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 24, 2018 13:31:30 GMT -5
Wrong..You can’t just walk in one day and bump a person with lower seniority off the job you want. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 24, 2018 13:33:07 GMT -5
Pretty sure Metal, you have to bump the low senior person on team. Can't just bump whomever has the job you would like. Exactly.That means the lowest senior person on the TEAM will end up on the open job.Because if the 95 guy loses his job to the 94 guy he will bump someone too |
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Post by nascarfan08 on Aug 24, 2018 22:14:41 GMT -5
This has happened time and again on our team. Person A's job was "dissolved". If there is an open job it's filled by seniority. Period. If no open jobs, there would be a reduction in team....which would lead to low man on team getting bumped by Person A.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 24, 2018 22:41:08 GMT -5
This has happened time and again on our team. Person A's job was "dissolved". If there is an open job it's filled by seniority. Period. If no open jobs, there would be a reduction in team....which would lead to low man on team getting bumped by Person A. So isnt awol coverage an actual job listed in the teams folder showing operators on Primary jobs?Sure it is. |
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Post by gator on Aug 24, 2018 23:18:01 GMT -5
If the person with 94 wants the open job he gets it by seniority, if not the 95 gets appointed the job. Contractually Awol coverage doesn’t exist it is considered extra person.
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Post by gator on Aug 24, 2018 23:20:29 GMT -5
When a job is eliminated you can only bump the lowest seniority with a job on a team when they are removing people from your drot.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 25, 2018 8:56:35 GMT -5
If the person with 94 wants the open job he gets it by seniority, if not the 95 gets appointed the job. Contractually Awol coverage doesn’t exist it is considered extra person. Okay .Now can you tell me where in the contract that’s stated?Ive seen it I past books,but I don’t have current union book.I will next week tho.I find it hard to believe that awol coverage isn’t written down along side all jobs on team and team leader ?Not calling you a liar.Thanks |
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Post by nascarfan08 on Aug 25, 2018 12:37:07 GMT -5
Ok Metalman...from reading the above posts over again I'm trying to figure out exactly the issue here. You are the current AWOL/extra on your team with 95 seniority. The 94 seniority person's job is being eliminated. You have an open job on the team...team leader surveys team starting with highest seniority to fill job. Job is filled by seniority. Most all teams have an AWOL/extra which has always been treated as a "job". Again, this is how it's been done on my team over and over again. Am I missing something?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 25, 2018 12:45:02 GMT -5
Ok Metalman...from reading the above posts over again I'm trying to figure out exactly the issue here. You are the current AWOL/extra on your team with 95 seniority. The 94 seniority person's job is being eliminated. You have an open job on the team...team leader surveys team starting with highest seniority to fill job. Job is filled by seniority. Most all teams have an AWOL/extra which has always been treated as a "job". Again, this is how it's been done on my team over and over again. Am I missing something? What you’re missing is I (95) was told I’m going to open job and 94 guy gets to be awol coverage?Tgen gator says Awol coverage is NOT a job and I’ll be forced on the open job?My thoughts are if no one wants the open job the LOWEST person on the team gets the job,then we fill their job by seniority. |
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Post by nascarfan08 on Aug 25, 2018 15:44:18 GMT -5
How my team has handled this situation...The 94 guy has job eliminated....open job on team...team leader surveys team to fill open job by seniority....if it gets to 94 guy and he takes open job....case closed. You would still be AWOL whether you want to or not because it didn't get to you. But, let's say 94 passes up taking job...then 94 would be forced to available work on team which would be whatever job is left open....if you take the job then he would replace you as AWOL coverage. No one bumped unless there is reduction in team and low man would take the hit.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 25, 2018 16:16:30 GMT -5
How my team has handled this situation...The 94 guy has job eliminated....open job on team...team leader surveys team to fill open job by seniority....if it gets to 94 guy and he takes open job....case closed. You would still be AWOL whether you want to or not because it didn't get to you. But, let's say 94 passes up taking job...then 94 would be forced to available work on team which would be whatever job is left open....if you take the job then he would replace you as AWOL coverage. No one bumped unless there is reduction in team and low man would take the hit. That’s exactly what I was thinking ,But TL Said when 94 guys job is deleted I (95) Guy has to give up my awol coverage and let 94 guy do it.Then I will take lowest person 2015 job? |
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Post by nascarfan08 on Aug 25, 2018 17:13:54 GMT -5
My advice would be to be proactive and contact Jaggers or Ice and get this set in stone to eliminate a lot of unnecessary back and forth. He can't bump you off of your job....goes to available work...PERIOD. I'd love to know how this turns out....let me know. Good Luck!!
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Post by gator on Aug 26, 2018 0:43:51 GMT -5
I don’t remember the page and article, but I’m 100% on this. I’m sorry, team leader is contractual because of team leader pay and job requirements. Line jobs are time studied and have job studies or IOS. Awol relief is just that, relief for anywhere they need you. We had the same thing happen to a guy on our team, a guy with 29 years was our only extra person/awol relief a job came open no one bid on the job and the job was assigned to the lowest seniority without a job. Now if your team is allotted 2 extra people/awol relief and only 1 is filled when your team adds a new person to the team if they have less seniority than you, you can give up your job and go back to extra forcing a bid on the job and if no one takes it the new extra low seniority gets forced.
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Post by gator on Aug 26, 2018 0:47:51 GMT -5
I know there are and have been teams do different things all over the plant when it comes to awol relief but if the issue is enforced the correct way is what I stated above.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 26, 2018 7:10:18 GMT -5
I don’t remember the page and article, but I’m 100% on this. I’m sorry, team leader is contractual because of team leader pay and job requirements. Line jobs are time studied and have job studies or IOS. Awol relief is just that, relief for anywhere they need you. We had the same thing happen to a guy on our team, a guy with 29 years was our only extra person/awol relief a job came open no one bid on the job and the job was assigned to the lowest seniority without a job. Now if your team is allotted 2 extra people/awol relief and only 1 is filled when your team adds a new person to the team if they have less seniority than you, you can give up your job and go back to extra forcing a bid on the job and if no one takes it the new extra low seniority gets forced. So the guy with 29 yrs was forced on the job Permanently?And your team was left With no awol l coverage?Come on now.. |
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Post by gator on Aug 26, 2018 17:53:55 GMT -5
He was the only extra person left without a job so yes he was forced. A guy with 2016 seniority got placed on our team as extra the guy with 29 years said I no longer want this job put it up for bid. We did no one bid on it and the extra 2016 was placed on the job. You cannot bump a low seniority off their job unless someone is getting removed from your drot due to job elimination, then and only then the lowest person on the team gets moved to available work unless someone volunteers to leave.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 26, 2018 18:39:59 GMT -5
He was the only extra person left without a job so yes he was forced. A guy with 2016 seniority got placed on our team as extra the guy with 29 years said I no longer want this job put it up for bid. We did no one bid on it and the extra 2016 was placed on the job. You cannot bump a low seniority off their job unless someone is getting removed from your drot due to job elimination, then and only then the lowest person on the team gets moved to available work unless someone volunteers to leave. All I Wanna see is if there’s a slot on team jobs for awol coverage.I know there is.We will see.If I get knocked off my job then I should be allowed to take a lower seniority persons job. |
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Post by gator on Aug 26, 2018 19:48:03 GMT -5
If there is 2 awol jobs allotted for your team, just tell them you will cover the job until someone new comes to the team or ask the 94 seniority if he will rotate with you until they find someone for the job.
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Post by gator on Aug 26, 2018 19:49:55 GMT -5
If your team allows you to bump someone off their job but it that person goes to the union it will not be allowed.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Aug 27, 2018 4:32:02 GMT -5
If your team allows you to bump someone off their job but it that person goes to the union it will not be allowed. Right.But I’m getting bumped off my job?I got my “job” by seniority just like every “job” on my team.So the only question is awol coverage a job?We will see. |
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Post by gator on Aug 27, 2018 19:31:08 GMT -5
Let us know what you find out, good luck.
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