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Post by agslater on Nov 10, 2018 2:46:28 GMT -5
From everything I've seen added from the recent 3rd q profit release it seems like our profit share is gonna be much lower than the last 2 years. Im not an expert but damn that sucks. Even with all the hours worked in 2018.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 10, 2018 5:32:17 GMT -5
You should be greatful for any amount of profit sharing. There were many years when there was no profit sharing checks!
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 10, 2018 6:20:27 GMT -5
I think it still looks pretty good. Remember it goes by North American pre-tax profits
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Post by nra4life on Nov 10, 2018 8:50:41 GMT -5
Good, I hope it’s zero. Maybe then come election time people will vote no to anything short of raises. Bonuses get eaten in taxes, better off taking 50 cents a year raise. Screw profit sharing, pay me. Basing my pay on something I have zero control over is bullshit. These clowns waste so much money on a daily basis is amazing they make a nickel. If they can pay me an $8k dollar bonus they sure as hell can pay me the $3.84 (8000.00 divided by 2080 hours) an hour all year that it averages out to. Too many people living paycheck to paycheck and grabbing every dime that is dangled in front of them. Stay safe people
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Post by agslater on Nov 10, 2018 14:38:13 GMT -5
Good, I hope it’s zero. Maybe then come election time people will vote no to anything short of raises. Bonuses get eaten in taxes, better off taking 50 cents a year raise. Screw profit sharing, pay me. Basing my pay on something I have zero control over is bullshit. These clowns waste so much money on a daily basis is amazing they make a nickel. If they can pay me an $8k dollar bonus they sure as hell can pay me the $3.84 (8000.00 divided by 2080 hours) an hour all year that it averages out to. Too many people living paycheck to paycheck and grabbing every dime that is dangled in front of them. Stay safe people Dumb |
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Post by agslater on Nov 10, 2018 14:39:04 GMT -5
Good, I hope it’s zero. Maybe then come election time people will vote no to anything short of raises. Bonuses get eaten in taxes, better off taking 50 cents a year raise. Screw profit sharing, pay me. Basing my pay on something I have zero control over is bullshit. These clowns waste so much money on a daily basis is amazing they make a nickel. If they can pay me an $8k dollar bonus they sure as hell can pay me the $3.84 (8000.00 divided by 2080 hours) an hour all year that it averages out to. Too many people living paycheck to paycheck and grabbing every dime that is dangled in front of them. Stay safe people Yeah your still making over 30. Im at 20. Cry me a river |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 11, 2018 9:55:40 GMT -5
Good, I hope it’s zero. Maybe then come election time people will vote no to anything short of raises. Bonuses get eaten in taxes, better off taking 50 cents a year raise. Screw profit sharing, pay me. Basing my pay on something I have zero control over is bullshit. These clowns waste so much money on a daily basis is amazing they make a nickel. If they can pay me an $8k dollar bonus they sure as hell can pay me the $3.84 (8000.00 divided by 2080 hours) an hour all year that it averages out to. Too many people living paycheck to paycheck and grabbing every dime that is dangled in front of them. Stay safe people Yeah your still making over 30. Im at 20. Cry me a river Did they tell you this when you were hired in?That you would make less for many,many,many years and that legacy was the “backbone” of the Co.?Now whose dumb? |
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Post by agslater on Nov 11, 2018 11:40:21 GMT -5
Yeah your still making over 30. Im at 20. Cry me a river Did they tell you this when you were hired in?That you would make less for many,many,many years and that legacy was the “backbone” of the Co.?Now whose dumb? The fact that someone hopes profit share is 0 based on hope to getting another raise is dumb. That raise aint coming. Atleast a bonus is plausible. Metal dumbass. |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 11, 2018 17:30:33 GMT -5
This is the resentment caused by 2 different pay scales!! Who do you think is responsible for this ?
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Post by machination on Nov 11, 2018 21:59:09 GMT -5
This is the resentment caused by 2 different pay scales!! Who do you think is responsible for this ? It's not 2 different pay scales that's the problem, it's that the current in-progression takes too long. It needs to be reduced to 3 or 4 years, or even 5, not the 8 it is now. There should be some sort of progression. No new hire who hasn't worked his ass off a while should be getting $30 right off the bat, but 8 years is just ridiculous. |
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Post by agslater on Nov 11, 2018 22:02:36 GMT -5
This is the resentment caused by 2 different pay scales!! Who do you think is responsible for this ? It's not 2 different pay scales that's the problem, it's that the current in-progression takes too long. It needs to be reduced to 3 or 4 years, or even 5, not the 8 it is now. There should be some sort of progression. No new hire who hasn't worked his ass off a while should be getting $30 right off the bat, but 8 years is just ridiculous. And I completely agree we shouldnt be making 30 off the bat. I agree with that. I got 3 in and still only making 20. Atleast you make valid points. Metalman and the other cats just try and flex their weak old man muscles by calling everyone dumb. |
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Post by agslater on Nov 11, 2018 22:05:18 GMT -5
The fact that someone hopes profit share is 0 based on hope to getting another raise is dumb. That raise aint coming. Atleast a bonus is plausible. Metal dumbass. Nah..You be the dumbass.Jealous too..A raise for the whole career of working here would be much better in the long run.Course your pissed we make 30.51 and you NEVER will.So just lay in there and get it boi!😃😃😃 Agree I am jealous. Im in here busting ass too. Much more than you btw bc you work A ( easy) crew and are on an easy job(earned). But I will be at 30 its just gonna take forever to get there. |
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Post by agslater on Nov 11, 2018 22:07:15 GMT -5
30.15 after 8. Your right it wont be 30.51
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Post by machination on Nov 11, 2018 22:58:54 GMT -5
It's not 2 different pay scales that's the problem, it's that the current in-progression takes too long. It needs to be reduced to 3 or 4 years, or even 5, not the 8 it is now. There should be some sort of progression. No new hire who hasn't worked his ass off a while should be getting $30 right off the bat, but 8 years is just ridiculous. And I completely agree we shouldnt be making 30 off the bat. I agree with that. I got 3 in and still only making 20. Atleast you make valid points. Metalman and the other cats just try and flex their weak old man muscles by calling everyone dumb. Thank you. I might be harsh sometime but it's hard work constantly defeating that old Shith Lord Darth Bullshit and his minions of the Brown Side. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 12, 2018 7:27:28 GMT -5
It's not 2 different pay scales that's the problem, it's that the current in-progression takes too long. It needs to be reduced to 3 or 4 years, or even 5, not the 8 it is now. There should be some sort of progression. No new hire who hasn't worked his ass off a while should be getting $30 right off the bat, but 8 years is just ridiculous. And I completely agree we shouldnt be making 30 off the bat. I agree with that. I got 3 in and still only making 20. Atleast you make valid points. Metalman and the other cats just try and flex their weak old man muscles by calling everyone dumb. Read your young dumb post.You started the name calling.Dummy.Now go get it🤣 |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 12, 2018 7:31:38 GMT -5
This is the resentment caused by 2 different pay scales!! Who do you think is responsible for this ? It's not 2 different pay scales that's the problem, it's that the current in-progression takes too long. It needs to be reduced to 3 or 4 years, or even 5, not the 8 it is now. There should be some sort of progression. No new hire who hasn't worked his ass off a while should be getting $30 right off the bat, but 8 years is just ridiculous. It is progression it’s needs progression?What are you talking about Machy???Youre slipping.Better sharpen up b4 2019 |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 12, 2018 7:36:59 GMT -5
Nah..You be the dumbass.Jealous too..A raise for the whole career of working here would be much better in the long run.Course your pissed we make 30.51 and you NEVER will.So just lay in there and get it boi!😃😃😃 Agree I am jealous. Im in here busting ass too. Much more than you btw bc you work A ( easy) crew and are on an easy job(earned). But I will be at 30 its just gonna take forever to get there. Done busted ass for years !!!Now on Supreme A crew to glide on thru.Youll have 20+ yrs in some day making 25$ and hour and act just like me.Maybe worse cause you been thinking y’all was getting 30.51😂😂🤭🤭🤭🤭 |
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Post by tiger66 on Nov 12, 2018 9:29:09 GMT -5
Let's all play nice. Back to profit sharing: if you look at the 1st three quarters North American pretax profit it's down a little but not as bad as you would think. I'd say we're still in the 6,000-7000$ range. Hope more.
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Post by agslater on Nov 12, 2018 14:26:55 GMT -5
Agree I am jealous. Im in here busting ass too. Much more than you btw bc you work A ( easy) crew and are on an easy job(earned). But I will be at 30 its just gonna take forever to get there. Done busted ass for years !!!Now on Supreme A crew to glide on thru.Youll have 20+ yrs in some day making 25$ and hour and act just like me.Maybe worse cause you been thinking y’all was getting 30.51😂😂🤭🤭🤭🤭 Nah I can show you the scale. Ill be at 30.15 after 8. The 7 and 8 year is a 2 dollar raise. It sucks dont get me wrong but it is what it is. I can always go back to another job paying 400/month on health insurance and dentist out of pocket. Oh and little 401 k |
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Post by machination on Nov 12, 2018 17:21:50 GMT -5
And I completely agree we shouldnt be making 30 off the bat. I agree with that. I got 3 in and still only making 20. Atleast you make valid points. Metalman and the other cats just try and flex their weak old man muscles by calling everyone dumb. Thank you. I might be harsh sometime but it's hard work constantly defeating that old Shith Lord Darth Bullshit and his minions of the Brown Side. Actually, it's not that hard. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 12, 2018 19:52:25 GMT -5
Thank you. I might be harsh sometime but it's hard work constantly defeating that old Shith Lord Darth Bullshit and his minions of the Brown Side. Actually, it's not that hard. Love is in the air!🥰🥰🥰🥰 |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 12, 2018 19:53:01 GMT -5
Done busted ass for years !!!Now on Supreme A crew to glide on thru.Youll have 20+ yrs in some day making 25$ and hour and act just like me.Maybe worse cause you been thinking y’all was getting 30.51😂😂🤭🤭🤭🤭 Nah I can show you the scale. Ill be at 30.15 after 8. The 7 and 8 year is a 2 dollar raise. It sucks dont get me wrong but it is what it is. I can always go back to another job paying 400/month on health insurance and dentist out of pocket. Oh and little 401 k If it’s written down it must be true!😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by richktp1 on Nov 14, 2018 14:50:07 GMT -5
Who would believe any 8 year promise (wink wink) in a 4 year contract ? The contract will be "renegotiated" after 4 years.
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Post by machination on Nov 14, 2018 16:02:48 GMT -5
Who would believe any 8 year promise (wink wink) in a 4 year contract ? The contract will be "renegotiated" after 4 years. It definitely needs to be less, but for reasons other than this recurring argument. It's simply bullshit to have to wait 8 years for equivalent pay for the same work. However, the argument that top pay must be achieved within the same contract they hire in under is ridiculous, because what if they hire in 6 months before the next contract? Even if they make top pay in 4 years instead of 8, they still won't hit it until the next contract. Hell when I hired in it was 3 years, and guess what? We only had a year to go until the next contract. (1996) They need top pay sooner because it's the right thing to do. The notion that the wage progression shouldn't overlap contracts is a tired, flimsy, unworkable argument that's just not going to succeed. I think it should be 3 years or less, but that will still result in top pay being achieved in a subsequent contract for anyone who hires in with less than 3 years to go before the next agreement. |
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Post by ktpbob on Nov 14, 2018 19:33:15 GMT -5
1993 new hires started at 85% pay of $14.87 hr and topped out at 100% in 1yr and 6 months at $17.60 hr
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 14, 2018 20:26:09 GMT -5
1995 took 3yrs.I think it’s too long.8 yrs?I predict a downturn before next year and the Co.Saying we just can’t afford it right now.Or if the old guys will take these buyouts we can move y’all up?Fucked them already in moving up when a legacy retires.I hope they get top pay,but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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Post by machination on Nov 15, 2018 11:24:37 GMT -5
1993 new hires started at 85% pay of $14.87 hr and topped out at 100% in 1yr and 6 months at $17.60 hr Yup. This changed to 3 years and 70% hire in pay when the 1993 agreement was voted in. So if they hired in prior to ratification it was still 18 months. In 1995 when I hired in, top pay for an unarped assembler was 17.95. We started at 12.56 |
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Post by agslater on Nov 16, 2018 2:45:27 GMT -5
1993 new hires started at 85% pay of $14.87 hr and topped out at 100% in 1yr and 6 months at $17.60 hr Yup. This changed to 3 years and 70% hire in pay when the 1993 agreement was voted in. So if they hired in prior to ratification it was still 18 months. In 1995 when I hired in, top pay for an unarped assembler was 17.95. We started at 12.56 Not bad. Almost doubled your pay in 20 years. |
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Post by machination on Nov 16, 2018 17:22:44 GMT -5
Yup. This changed to 3 years and 70% hire in pay when the 1993 agreement was voted in. So if they hired in prior to ratification it was still 18 months. In 1995 when I hired in, top pay for an unarped assembler was 17.95. We started at 12.56 Not bad. Almost doubled your pay in 20 years. Wrong. Got to $28.76 in about 9 years, then didn't see another raise again for a dozen more. |
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