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Post by thisplacesux on Dec 1, 2018 14:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 1, 2018 15:43:59 GMT -5
Figured.Now Ford will scare all the newbies into “well at least I have a job” mode.Plus moving 800 from LAP over here to KTP.Hopefully people start saving now.Dont see a strike though.Lets be serious GM ford Dodge OWN THE UAW.Hope I get a buyout and be done!
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Post by tiger66 on Dec 1, 2018 16:19:04 GMT -5
We went 10 or 12 years without a raise before this last contract. It’s no time to be giving back now. I guess we will strike.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 1, 2018 18:23:39 GMT -5
I’m hoping they offer buy outs for people with over 20yrs .Or 25 and out.Id take that at 85% myself
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Post by agslater on Dec 2, 2018 1:16:10 GMT -5
Everyone has a job in fear of losing. Why work in fear though? You guys just like tryin to scare people. Anyone think their is any chance in hell they lower the 8 year bullshit for legacy on next contract? Probably will raise it to 10
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Post by readyandaimedatyou on Dec 2, 2018 3:41:38 GMT -5
Everyone has a job in fear of losing. Why work in fear though? You guys just like tryin to scare people. Anyone think their is any chance in hell they lower the 8 year bullshit for legacy on next contract? Probably will raise it to 10 I'm betting it goes to 12 years (3 contracts instead of 2)..... |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 2, 2018 8:20:54 GMT -5
Everyone has a job in fear of losing. Why work in fear though? You guys just like tryin to scare people. Anyone think their is any chance in hell they lower the 8 year bullshit for legacy on next contract? Probably will raise it to 10 I’d say us guys with over 20+ yrs aren’t scared at all of this place or our job.Now if I had 3-4 yrs in here I’d be concerned about 800 Brothers coming to KTP.But we all have been through this.Lorrainne,Avon lake,Kansas City,Mich,Indy,ATL,LAP.etc have all invaded KTP.And we’ve never been laid off.But spent YEARS on B/C crew while THEY lived the good life on A crew.And while most plants closed ,some came and stayed as their plants re-opened?But Thats life. |
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Post by saugerman on Dec 2, 2018 10:55:30 GMT -5
Everyone has a job in fear of losing. Why work in fear though? You guys just like tryin to scare people. Anyone think their is any chance in hell they lower the 8 year bullshit for legacy on next contract? Probably will raise it to 10 No dude..not trying to scare people...just saying we have seen this before and giving a heads up..hang around you may learn something... |
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Post by machination on Dec 2, 2018 15:23:12 GMT -5
This is why you should make extreme effort to save up enough money to be able to cover at least a few months of expenses, if not longer, and base your budget on 40 hours of straight time without shift premiums. Put the OT and shift premiums in savings, plus extra.
Back when the economy tanked and we went down to 2 shifts in Body and Paint, with no more overtime, losing C Crew temporarily and enduring the rolling layoffs, people who depended on the OT and shift premiums were really hurting. C Crew, at that time "#1 shift", stayed "employed" but while day or night shift was laid off for a few weeks they would come off layoff and cover them. Then they'd have a turn to be laid off a few weeks. Some people had to take other jobs. I knew a couple of guys who's houses got foreclosed on.
The point is save as much as you can during the good times. All the people who insist there will never be a strike again, ever ever, are going to be pissing themselves if we ever do strike and they are unprepared for it.
If those people are unprepared, suddenly can't pay their bills, and are faced with foreclosure, repossession, bankruptcy, etc, will these big talking people who pretend to know the future, buckle and cross the picket line? Will they be the reason any future strike fails? Will the scumbags who support right-to-be-a-leech contribute to any strike failing? They wont be striking after all. They'll be in there sucking ass to the company they insist fucks them all the time.
If you want the best future you can have, save your money, and keep paying your dues. Otherwise, you'll really, truly, be at the company's mercy. |
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Post by beaner on Dec 2, 2018 15:28:21 GMT -5
If they were going to be offering buyouts, why wouldn’t they keep more at LAP to cover those taking it? Isn’t their seniority a lot higher?
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Post by nra4life on Dec 2, 2018 18:27:18 GMT -5
If they were going to be offering buyouts, why wouldn’t they keep more at LAP to cover those taking it? Isn’t their seniority a lot higher? LAP is in a launch, they can go to 2 shifts and not miss a beat, KTP has a hot product now with massive profit margin so it makes sense to run this place 24/7 if they can. When the contract rolls around in September if you offer buyouts there will be thousands take it at KTP, older guys that usually vote No but if they are offered a buyout and a shot to leave those No votes turn into Yes votes. Just my opinion. Stay safe people |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 2, 2018 19:16:10 GMT -5
If they were going to be offering buyouts, why wouldn’t they keep more at LAP to cover those taking it? Isn’t their seniority a lot higher? LAP is in a launch, they can go to 2 shifts and not miss a beat, KTP has a hot product now with massive profit margin so it makes sense to run this place 24/7 if they can. When the contract rolls around in September if you offer buyouts there will be thousands take it at KTP, older guys that usually vote No but if they are offered a buyout and a shot to leave those No votes turn into Yes votes. Just my opinion. Stay safe people Yep..And that’s the biggest lesson you can learn by working here..EVERYONE is only looking out for themselves and don t give a shit about their “brothers & sisters”.. |
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Post by agslater on Dec 2, 2018 23:13:24 GMT -5
LAP is in a launch, they can go to 2 shifts and not miss a beat, KTP has a hot product now with massive profit margin so it makes sense to run this place 24/7 if they can. When the contract rolls around in September if you offer buyouts there will be thousands take it at KTP, older guys that usually vote No but if they are offered a buyout and a shot to leave those No votes turn into Yes votes. Just my opinion. Stay safe people Yep..And that’s the biggest lesson you can learn by working here..EVERYONE is only looking out for themselves and don t give a shit about their “brothers & sisters”.. In life you have to look out for yourself and your family. " brothers and sisters" are people your forced to be around. Some good most bad. |
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Post by remember1976 on Dec 3, 2018 5:21:08 GMT -5
With regard to the upcoming national contract negotiation in September...
Keep in mind that failure of the rank-and-file to ratify a tentative agreement will not necessarily mean we will go out on strike against Ford Motor Company.
The rank-and-file vote on whether or not to authorize the IUAW to call for a strike in that instance. The decision will be up to the IUAW. They do not have to authorize a strike. They can tell us to continue to work while they continue further negotiations with the company. Any walkout at that point would be a wildcat.
What I am saying is that the IUAW may choose to operate the same way as does UAW Local 862 in the event that a tentative agreement fails to be ratified.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 3, 2018 6:26:37 GMT -5
Right may not be able to afford a strike after using our strike fund to build Dennis Williams a lake front home with SCAB labor contractors
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Post by thisplacesux on Dec 3, 2018 7:04:10 GMT -5
I’m hearing this morning that there is a buyout offer coming for those with over 25 years of service. Anyone else?
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Post by beenaround on Dec 3, 2018 7:50:23 GMT -5
^^^^ Oh yea, Ummm where did you hear that? Just wondering. ^^^^
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Post by thisplacesux on Dec 3, 2018 8:10:09 GMT -5
Co-worker.
Hey, this IS the rumor mill !!!
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Post by Ktpt on Dec 3, 2018 14:48:16 GMT -5
After nearly 20 yrs at ford I am numb to the possibility of a strike. It is clear and proven that the UAW kingpins will do anything to keep the company happy while lining their pockets with cash. Am I the only one that feels this way?
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Post by Ex-metalman on Dec 3, 2018 15:06:07 GMT -5
After nearly 20 yrs at ford I am numb to the possibility of a strike. It is clear and proven that the UAW kingpins will do anything to keep the company happy while lining their pockets with cash. Am I the only one that feels this way? Hell no!!!Id say there’s 15% of us..Rest are SHEEP |
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Post by thisplacesux on Dec 3, 2018 15:53:06 GMT -5
After nearly 20 yrs at ford I am numb to the possibility of a strike. It is clear and proven that the UAW kingpins will do anything to keep the company happy while lining their pockets with cash. Am I the only one that feels this way? Nope! |
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Post by machination on Dec 3, 2018 17:00:09 GMT -5
With regard to the upcoming national contract negotiation in September... Keep in mind that failure of the rank-and-file to ratify a tentative agreement will not necessarily mean we will go out on strike against Ford Motor Company. The rank-and-file vote on whether or not to authorize the IUAW to call for a strike in that instance. The decision will be up to the IUAW. They do not have to authorize a strike. They can tell us to continue to work while they continue further negotiations with the company. Any walkout at that point would be a wildcat. What I am saying is that the IUAW may choose to operate the same way as does UAW Local 862 in the event that a tentative agreement fails to be ratified. Hopefully the committeemen and legacy workers will be able to adequately explain to the new people what the strike authorization vote is. It has to pass like it always has. If the authorization vote fails then the IUAW won't have the leverage to call a strike in the rare event that it could work. Without that authority the company will have all the bargaining power. And if the vote passes by a small margin or with a small turnout the company will believe that any strike will fail due to lack of support to even authorize the power. That vote will need to pass overwhelmingly and with a high turnout for us to have better leverage at the table. |
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Post by 30yearpace on Dec 6, 2018 23:31:22 GMT -5
I remember the rolling lay-offs fondly. WENT TO THE LAKE AND POOL EVERYDAY.....GIVE ME SOME MORE OF THAT!
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