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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 1, 2019 17:25:57 GMT -5
Hope these separation packages are for the LIFE of the contract.Def a yeas for me
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Post by harleykat77 on Nov 1, 2019 17:45:02 GMT -5
Sheesh!! Guess you haven't looked up the definition of solidarity lately. This comment makes you look like one of the meth heads working here. Solidarity, learn the word and quit talking dumb shit. Because there is no such thing,for everyone to agree on something, u have to first get what u want,that's not solidarity,that's selfish. You all act like u want your "brother or sister" to benefit from the contract,but its only if u get what u want.its only mutual because it benefits u as well. That's the only reason anyone agrees on it lol yes please come together as one 😂🤣 |
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Post by harleykat77 on Nov 1, 2019 17:46:24 GMT -5
Yes vote from me,I have my pay and dont pay for insurance,unless if u count the $ 70+ a month for union dews. Could care less about retirees,because non of u fucks care about us. The union is going down hill regardless of what we do,we would have to strike for months to get the shit u all want. It wont happen,the UAW wont allow it. So vote yes and enjoy the amazing job u have. What a turd. Turds get flushed. Please,flush me💩 |
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Post by harleykat77 on Nov 1, 2019 17:48:01 GMT -5
Sheesh!! Guess you haven't looked up the definition of solidarity lately. This comment makes you look like one of the meth heads working here. Solidarity, learn the word and quit talking dumb shit. No not meth,I pop my pills like a good ford employee 🙄 |
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Post by beenaround on Nov 1, 2019 18:49:55 GMT -5
This comment makes you look like one of the meth heads working here. Solidarity, learn the word and quit talking dumb shit. No not meth,I pop my pills like a good ford employee 🙄 Go back under the rock you came from and stay put. |
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Post by imdadd on Nov 2, 2019 13:14:46 GMT -5
Has an information meeting been scheduled yet?
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Post by harleykat77 on Nov 2, 2019 13:39:02 GMT -5
No not meth,I pop my pills like a good ford employee 🙄 Go back under the rock you came from and stay put Ok Dad...😔 |
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 2, 2019 13:39:55 GMT -5
Has an information meeting been scheduled yet? Sunday Nov.10th - not sure times yet. There’s going to be multiple mtgs that day |
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Post by lap65 on Nov 2, 2019 15:19:22 GMT -5
Hope these separation packages are for the LIFE of the contract.Def a yeas for me So it says on the separation packages...... For eligible employees...... But it doesn't say who is eligible, does that mean only people with 30 years? |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 15:20:17 GMT -5
I mean are we voting that day?What are meeting actually for?If what we are reading is the TA.Im ready to vote.Just my opinion tho
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Post by jakeiam on Nov 2, 2019 15:53:12 GMT -5
Hope these separation packages are for the LIFE of the contract.Def a yeas for me So it says on the separation packages...... For eligible employees...... But it doesn't say who is eligible, does that mean only people with 30 years? EARLY RETIEMENT. after September 1, 1964, any employee (not retired prior to such date) who (i) shall have reached the employee’s 60th birthday, but not the employee’s normal retirement age, and shall have 10 or more years of creditable service or (ii) shall have reached the employee’s 55th birthday but not the employee’s 60th birthday and whose combined years of age (to the nearest 1/12th) and creditable service shall total at least 85, or (iii) for purposes of retirement on or after October 1, 1971, shall have 30 or more years of creditable service prior to the employee’s 55th birthday, or (iv) for purposes of retirement on or after October 1, 1984, shall have reached the employee’s 55th birthday, but not the employee’s normal retirement age, and shall have 10 or more years of creditable service, may retire at the employee’s option and, upon making due application for it, shall be eligible for a regular early retirement benefit as provided in the applicable provisions of Article V, Section 2 of the Plan. This being said, I am 57 years old and hired in 1995. Not quite 85 points. But I can take the buyout and retire with pension. Check your Tespe account and it will figure your pension plus supplement until age 62 and 1 month. Then supplement falls off. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 16:05:11 GMT -5
I’m 55 and hired in 95.I can retire but it’s not much and rescinds when I reach 62.Im shooting for 58 + 27=85 or wait til 2023 and get 60,000 or whatever lump sum is offered.
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Post by ibossjekler on Nov 2, 2019 16:31:36 GMT -5
I'm confused on how the union found a way to get rawsonville to equal pay but still left the other 2 Ford plants at lower pay. Very odd too because as of last contract they've been moving van dyke transmission plant people to the sterling plant, about 500 at this point to sterling axle. Just surrounding the 2 tier people in a bubble with legacy pay working across from each other on the same jobs, while keeping only a small bubble of people topping out now at $22.50. Only 600 out of 2k people here at lower pay so obviously to small of people to worry about us voting yes. I bet majority of the romeo people get transferred to sterling as well. Transmission plant has been on the way downhill it seems.But equal pay for equal work right......
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 16:43:19 GMT -5
Knowing how KTP has been ran the past 24 yrs the Romeo people will prolly end up here somehow?KTP is the melting pot of Ford.
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Post by jakeiam on Nov 2, 2019 16:55:16 GMT -5
I’m 55 and hired in 95.I can retire but it’s not much and rescinds when I reach 62.Im shooting for 58 + 27=85 or wait til 2023 and get 60,000 or whatever lump sum is offered. You may as well stay until next contract. Last contract you had to be 55 or older by the end of Oct. 2015 to get buyout money. And it was $75,000 then. I’m out this round. My body hurts, long days, getting up at 4am has taken a toll on me. Peace brother, wish you the best 😊 |
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Post by ibossjekler on Nov 2, 2019 17:05:37 GMT -5
Knowing how KTP has been ran the past 24 yrs the Romeo people will prolly end up here somehow?KTP is the melting pot of Ford. Yeah, but it's a bit like voting KTP people into the lower pay but then you take all the transfers from everywhere else, but theyre still at legacy pay. Very wierd to be part of a small bubble of people at a plant making 50% less than everyone else we're working with now from all the other plants in the area. Good path for temps now though, so always give and take. Am I supposed to do 50% less work than them, or are they supposed to do 50% more than me. Most are just above 20yr seniority so they aren't gonna retire anytime soon. Over all decent contract for the other 99% of Ford workers. Just sucks they're still keeping 1% at a lower pay scale. Last contract set the precedent from our union brothers and sisters tho |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 17:21:07 GMT -5
Knowing how KTP has been ran the past 24 yrs the Romeo people will prolly end up here somehow?KTP is the melting pot of Ford. Yeah, but it's a bit like voting KTP people into the lower pay but then you take all the transfers from everywhere else, but theyre still at legacy pay. Very wierd to be part of a small bubble of people at a plant making 50% less than everyone else we're working with now from all the other plants in the area. Good path for temps now though, so always give and take. Am I supposed to do 50% less work than them, or are they supposed to do 50% more than me. Most are just above 20yr seniority so they aren't gonna retire anytime soon. Over all decent contract for the other 99% of Ford workers. Just sucks they're still keeping 1% at a lower pay scale. Last contract set the precedent from our union brothers and sisters tho On your side ,but you knew this when you were hired.Union should make all people equal |
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Post by ibossjekler on Nov 2, 2019 17:48:40 GMT -5
I'm not quitting over this that's for sure. My bills are paid and have a happy family and plenty more years to work through quite a few contracts.
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Post by nra4life on Nov 2, 2019 17:49:27 GMT -5
I’m 55 and hired in 95.I can retire but it’s not much and rescinds when I reach 62.Im shooting for 58 + 27=85 or wait til 2023 and get 60,000 or whatever lump sum is offered. Do yourself a huge favor and go to the buyout meetings so you can see how bad you will get screwed not doing your 30. Not a big difference until age 62. When you see the difference you will do the extra 2 years. Anyone can go to the buyout meetings and EVERYONE should go, there is so much false information handed out on this site, go to the meeting where it is explained in great detail. Stay safe people |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 18:09:21 GMT -5
I’m 55 and hired in 95.I can retire but it’s not much and rescinds when I reach 62.Im shooting for 58 + 27=85 or wait til 2023 and get 60,000 or whatever lump sum is offered. Do yourself a huge favor and go to the buyout meetings so you can see how bad you will get screwed not doing your 30. Not a big difference until age 62. When you see the difference you will do the extra 2 years. Anyone can go to the buyout meetings and EVERYONE should go, there is so much false information handed out on this site, go to the meeting where it is explained in great detail. Stay safe people I’ve already checked . 28 yrs - 2765 until 62 then 1450+1375 SS .Full retirement 3150 until 62 then 1600 + 1400 SS.275$ for 2 more years?Nah.But I will have to pay Medicare.BUT that’s why I have Tesphe. |
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Post by beenaround on Nov 3, 2019 8:21:01 GMT -5
I’m 55 and hired in 95.I can retire but it’s not much and rescinds when I reach 62.Im shooting for 58 + 27=85 or wait til 2023 and get 60,000 or whatever lump sum is offered. I don't have a crystal ball or future telling machine but in my opinion I'm not sure buyouts will be available next contract. The amount of young employees outnumber the amount of legacy employees. No need for buyouts as most older employees will succumb to the inevitable anyways. Possible buyouts may be offered to individual plants only. Romeo for example got a better deal on buyouts because it is closing. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 3, 2019 10:25:05 GMT -5
All I know is as far back as I can remember ( not far lol) ford has given retirees a lump sum to retire during said contract.If not I will do the 85 point thing.I know several guys with 29,30 yrs now and they’re like”I’m only 48 yrs old why retire”? I think that pay out entices those folks to go ahead a get out
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Post by remember1976 on Nov 4, 2019 7:28:14 GMT -5
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Pattern bargaining was the idea of Walter Reuther, the founder of the UAW. The purpose behind selecting a target company, negotiating a contract with them that is ratified by the rank-and-file, and then taking that contract to the other two auto companies as a template, is to ensure that no one auto company has a labor contract wildly different than the other two resulting in a competitive disadvantage to the others. In the long run the IUAW is interested in the success of all three auto companies.
The fact of the matter is that the GM rank-and-file were the ones who had the ball in their court regarding the details of the contract. Once the GM rank-and-file ratified their tentative agreement, the nature of the Ford and Fiat/Chrysler contracts were pretty much set (apart from a few tweeks).
I have seen the literature that is being circulated by those unhappy with the Ford tentative agreement. If Ford were to agree to what the dissenters want, Ford's labor expenses would be much greater than GM's. Neither Ford nor the IUAW want that. My personal opinion is that the dissenters would vote NO on any tentative agreement that did not include everything on their wish list.
If the IUAW comes to the same conclusion - and the tentative contract fails to be ratified - my guess is that they would ask Ford to continue to extend the previous contract and keep everyone working until an acceptable contract is negotiated. That could take a very long time. Ford would likely agree to an extension because the 2015 contract is less expensive for them than the new tentative agreement... and they want to continue building and selling trucks. In that circumstance the IUAW might very well move on to Fiat/Chrysler and not come back to the Ford negotiations until that contract is ratified.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 4, 2019 7:54:32 GMT -5
All true.But I believe as a UAW dues paying member each person should vote the way they want and not be swayed by any person.Then tally the votes and go from there. Ford knows we would/will never strike.Thats a great position for them.Only thing I don’t like about contract is the length of time to get top pay.But it really doesn’t affect me so I’ll prolly be a yes.
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Post by lap65 on Nov 4, 2019 23:14:20 GMT -5
So it says on the separation packages...... For eligible employees...... But it doesn't say who is eligible, does that mean only people with 30 years? EARLY RETIEMENT. after September 1, 1964, any employee (not retired prior to such date) who (i) shall have reached the employee’s 60th birthday, but not the employee’s normal retirement age, and shall have 10 or more years of creditable service or (ii) shall have reached the employee’s 55th birthday but not the employee’s 60th birthday and whose combined years of age (to the nearest 1/12th) and creditable service shall total at least 85, or (iii) for purposes of retirement on or after October 1, 1971, shall have 30 or more years of creditable service prior to the employee’s 55th birthday, or (iv) for purposes of retirement on or after October 1, 1984, shall have reached the employee’s 55th birthday, but not the employee’s normal retirement age, and shall have 10 or more years of creditable service, may retire at the employee’s option and, upon making due application for it, shall be eligible for a regular early retirement benefit as provided in the applicable provisions of Article V, Section 2 of the Plan. This being said, I am 57 years old and hired in 1995. Not quite 85 points. But I can take the buyout and retire with pension. Check your Tespe account and it will figure your pension plus supplement until age 62 and 1 month. Then supplement falls off. ok.... Now I'm intrigued, never heard the part before about.... Don't quite have 85 points, but I can take the buyout and still draw my pension? Really? Now before everyone jumps off the bridge....... Of course I would not do anything like that without getting facts from a buyout meeting or Jim Fisher, remember this is a "rumor" mill.... I'm well aware of that.... But you do have my curiosity up |
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Post by harleykat77 on Nov 6, 2019 3:24:20 GMT -5
Ok Boomer
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Post by sparked1 on Nov 6, 2019 7:37:09 GMT -5
Yes.
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