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Post by fordman3 on Nov 1, 2019 9:54:40 GMT -5
Tentative agreement released sometime next week. Meeting set at LAP hall nov. 10 several sessions.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 1, 2019 10:05:28 GMT -5
Tentative agreement released sometime next week. Meeting set at LAP hall nov. 10 several sessions. Where can we view the TA? |
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Post by fordman3 on Nov 1, 2019 10:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 1, 2019 14:35:56 GMT -5
Hopefully at least the highlights will be brought out/leaked out sometime today. If only they’d issue the lowlights alongside......
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Post by fordman3 on Nov 1, 2019 16:47:00 GMT -5
Hopefully at least the highlights will be brought out/leaked out sometime today. If only they’d issue the lowlights alongside...... It was leaked. Didn't tickle my fancy. Looks like shit on paper |
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Post by dieseldawg on Nov 1, 2019 16:49:30 GMT -5
deal includes closing romeo engine. Nah.
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Post by fordman3 on Nov 1, 2019 16:56:54 GMT -5
deal includes closing romeo engine. Nah. They planned that in January but they are moving them to a plant 15 minutes down the road or buying them out |
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Post by agslater on Nov 1, 2019 16:57:53 GMT -5
Saw the leaked rates. No real changes. At 4 years I get .75 raise. Still back loaded at 8 years. Shit if your a temp and get hired in you can be making more than me in 3 years. Sad.
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Post by dieseldawg on Nov 1, 2019 17:02:21 GMT -5
deal includes closing romeo engine. Nah. They planned that in January but they are moving them to a plant 15 minutes down the road or buying them out Yeah thats what they told they people at the GM plants they closed too lol. Closing a plant is never a win. |
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Post by fordman3 on Nov 1, 2019 17:17:49 GMT -5
They planned that in January but they are moving them to a plant 15 minutes down the road or buying them out Yeah thats what they told they people at the GM plants they closed too lol. Closing a plant is never a win. I hear you man. What the hell is top out? Secret shit. It just says top out. $29.71 the top out |
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Post by rnlouisville1 on Nov 1, 2019 17:42:44 GMT -5
Am I reading the healthcare language right that we are expected to pay 20% of the health insurance now?
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Post by dieseldawg on Nov 1, 2019 17:42:48 GMT -5
Yeah thats what they told they people at the GM plants they closed too lol. Closing a plant is never a win. I hear you man. What the hell is top out? Secret shit. It just says top out. $29.71 the top out You were correct about the romeo workers bro. Thought you were just talking hearsay.. theyll be going to VanDyke or getting bought out. But i believe top out for in-progression is 29.71 but with the 3% wage increase itll essentially be 30.51 which is legacy rate. Not sure if im reading it correctly or not though. "* Employees who will receive a step increases after 9/14/2020, will receive a 3% increase on their current base rates on 9/14/2020. Top Rate is the legacy classification wage rate Employees already at top rate will earn GWIs and 4% bonuses in line with their eligibility" thats what it said beneath the wage board. |
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 1, 2019 17:56:44 GMT -5
Am I reading the healthcare language right that we are expected to pay 20% of the health insurance now? No, you’re reading it wrong. That’s what Ford wanted us to pay during negotiations, but bargaining kept it as is. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 12:26:04 GMT -5
Legacy gets 1000.00$ paid into Tesphe while in progression gets nothing?Thats bullshit.Also what if you don’t have tesphe(I do) ?Thats bullshit.
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 2, 2019 12:45:01 GMT -5
Legacy gets 1000.00$ paid into Tesphe while in progression gets nothing?Thats bullshit.Also what if you don’t have tesphe(I do) ?Thats bullshit. Yep. Further division. I know they are trying to appease the legacy folks with things like these but it simply smacks down the whole “United” part of what the UAW is supposed to be about. Equal pay for equal work. Equal bonuses for equal employment. Every employee should get every gain. Period. Ford already gets savings, not just due to no pension/insurance for non-legacy, but also from the percentage payouts being less because of hourly pay rate among those progressing in pay. At first I was a YES, but as discussion grows and the plan unfolds, I’m now a NO. |
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Post by bjmza on Nov 2, 2019 12:45:10 GMT -5
Legacy gets 1000.00$ paid into Tesphe while in progression gets nothing?Thats bullshit.Also what if you don’t have tesphe(I do) ?Thats bullshit. Did they give a reason for that? I can see where it says they are doing it but it does not say why? Thought maybe it is because everyone else is getting big jumps in hourly rate over the course of the contract and so it was something to incentive legacy to agree to it??? Or maybe a precursor to them buying out everyone’s pensions in a future contract? |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 13:01:22 GMT -5
Tesphe has nothing to do with pension.Its totally funded by the individuals.I think it’s because people were griping retirees should get a raise?I don’t understand but I’ll take it.In progression should get 1000 added to their 401k.
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Post by bjmza on Nov 2, 2019 13:04:31 GMT -5
Tesphe has nothing to do with pension.Its totally funded by the individuals.I think it’s because people were griping retirees should get a raise?I don’t understand but I’ll take it.In progression should get 1000 added to their 401k. I know tesphe does not equal pension but I believe that in a future contract there will attempts or offers to do a large company contribution to tesphe in exchange for killing the pensions. So thought maybe this was just to see how people reacted. |
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Post by 2011tier2 on Nov 2, 2019 14:15:39 GMT -5
BJMZA, I think you’re onto something there with the lump sum pension buyouts -probably next contract.
Honestly, outside of the retirement healthcare, I’d personally would rather have control of the money myself instead of my retirement being in the hands of an ever changing contract with Ford. Without pension or retiree healthcare however, I only offer my .02c.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Nov 2, 2019 15:18:51 GMT -5
Yep 2023 will be a big retirement year,then they can hire in temps ..Save a lot of money.Im hoping they offer a buyout before 23..
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