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Post by machination on Mar 3, 2020 19:09:31 GMT -5
I'm so glad that I've only got a few years left before i can retire, but I feel sorry for the newer people who are actually good workers. With absenteeism as high as it is, and the shockingly high number and lazy, lying, useless turds in there who pretend that they can't do the simplest of jobs when clearly they can, I don't expect KTP to be around more than 10-15 more years. Such a shame, but whoever is hiring these dishonest, lazy people is to blame. Both are an embarassment to the company, and the union. Hiring standards should be restored to how they were in the 90's. We had to come to the plant multiple times over several months for all sorts of tests, like small group assessments to see how well you work with others and solve problems. I remember the instructors keenly eyeballing everyone, making notes, culling the herd for who got to come back for the next test. It was literally called Best In Class hiring. Now they'll hire anyone with a pulse.
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Post by ktpveteran6499 on Mar 3, 2020 20:51:08 GMT -5
Hire more veterans. Problem solved
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Post by nra4life on Mar 3, 2020 22:28:20 GMT -5
When your hiring practice is to hire people that are hired as “temps” that may or may not eventually get hired these our the results. You hire a “temp” and work them 3 days a week then wonder why when you finally hire them full time they don’t come to work 4 days a week. Lol. What responsible adult would quit an existing job to come work at a place in the hope that it turns into a full time job? Not someone with a family, or a mortgage. I know I would not be here if it was that way years ago.
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Post by ktpframeking on Mar 3, 2020 22:31:40 GMT -5
I basically agree. But the main problem that I see now as opposed to the old days is morale. You can’t blame a lot of people for being pissed off. If you don’t buddy up with management, go out drinking with them, camp next to them at the lake etc. you are a f-Ing second class citizen. I mean you see people get choice days off unpaid personal, get to slide out 2 hours or more early. It wears on you after a while. No wonder so many people get FMLA or go out on medical. Better than being a suck ass.
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Post by agslater on Mar 4, 2020 12:21:49 GMT -5
Yeah I agree mostly. A lot of people are real shit workers for sure. Mostly good, but the real bad ones stand out. They dont give a fuck. And even as a newer guy they should absolutely raise the standards for hiring. Stop hiring ex cons and do some due diligence on some of these clowns. Funny thing is you A crew people don't even know the half of what you think. You would be appalled at the shit that goes on B crew and I could only imagine C.
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Post by machination on Mar 4, 2020 13:26:28 GMT -5
I've bought only Ford vehicles since I hired in over 25 years ago, but for the next Ford I plan to buy I'm going to try to research personnel issues at whatever plant makes it. Needless to say I'll never buy an Explorer made in Chicago. If Ford keeps hiring awful people instead of best in class like it was, and keeps ignoring it's own policies by letting scumbags get away with almost anything, I guess I'll just have to buy from another company.
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Post by nascarfan08 on Mar 4, 2020 13:35:36 GMT -5
I agree with Machination. This place has gone downhill quick. The morale has never been the best but it sure as hell is as bad as ever now. The place reeks of laziness, discord, jealousy, etc. It's obviously the people they're hiring...looks like Ford is desperate and anyone can get a job here. With that you get what you get...miserable, drug using, lazy, pathetic, crap on the toilet seat, booger smearing bathroom vandals. I expect the KTP ship to sink once most of the Legacy folks are retired...and as I've said before, the good workers will suffer because of the ones that abuse FMLA/AWOL and just plain don't care about having a job at Ford. If Ford is to sustain itself it needs to go back to the high standards of hiring it once had...they need to figure it out because they are the ones that created this shit mess.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 4, 2020 14:35:05 GMT -5
Well said .The one thing you forgot to mention was diversity.Adults realize the meaning of the word and I’m 💯 for it.BUT these new folks think they can do whatever they want and get away with it because the Co and Union are scared to do or say anything to any person regardless of sex or race.Its sad really to see a person with 26 yrs in do a job then a new guy trains on the same job and says”fuck that I can’t do it”and they move them.This happened Monday on my team.Pathetic .Ive actually talked to people in here that said “just because you do this job doesn’t mean I want/have to”.I blame this on the parents for letting them sit around and play video games and not doing household chores. .Hope KTP last 3-4 more years tho.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Mar 4, 2020 17:34:28 GMT -5
I was told by a Superintendent that if they held new hires to the same standards they held us to in the 90's they couldn't staff a shift.
I've watched TEMPS literally, LITTTTTTERRRRALLLLLY miss 20-30 things a day on their job for a solid week and not so much as a word.
I've watched new hires have the line down because they're on their phone and give the supervisor the index-finger-justaminute sign before turning the line back on and not a word.
If they wanted they could fire 700 people within a week.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 4, 2020 17:52:55 GMT -5
There was one on my team that was late EVERYDAY AND late at least 2 times a week after breaks?But HIS UNCLE is a supervisor.Fucking bullshit ..I’d fire him and his uncle for getting him the job.And I’m not kidding.
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Post by agslater on Mar 5, 2020 0:13:53 GMT -5
Lets not act like this is just a new hire problem. Ive worked and been around plenty of lazy ass older people in here on a crew. There is shit throughout the plant. The job market it competitive as ever with the good economy so yes there is a sense of low hiring standards. It seems like the new new hires dont even have to do what I did 5 years ago. Written test, mechanical test, drug test. 1 week of class training 3 days plant training. Idk even what they do now
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Post by agslater on Mar 5, 2020 0:16:16 GMT -5
I was told by a Superintendent that if they held new hires to the same standards they held us to in the 90's they couldn't staff a shift. I've watched TEMPS literally, LITTTTTTERRRRALLLLLY miss 20-30 things a day on their job for a solid week and not so much as a word. I've watched new hires have the line down because they're on their phone and give the supervisor the index-finger-justaminute sign before turning the line back on and not a word. If they wanted they could fire 700 people within a week. 700 is light. We got a guy that takes 3-4 40 minute breaks because he needs his "meds". Leaves every friday at 2:30, lays nuts on bolts with no start and I mean no start, puts every clip on crooked, and drives like its the Indy 500 everyday he leaves. Maybe the worst employee in the plant. |
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Post by ktpframeking on Mar 5, 2020 1:04:24 GMT -5
That’s nothing we have two guys over here who literally share one job. They both leave about 2:15. It’s unbelievable. But they are both company suck asses. So .... there’s that.
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Post by thereandback on Mar 7, 2020 7:09:34 GMT -5
I heard Ford is in talks to lease the old abandoned airport east of Downtown Fantasy Land. They want to move our plant there because the surrounding population is always in perfect health, no one has ever done drugs of any kind, no one ever misses a day of work for any reason and they don't believe Unions are necessary.
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Post by nra4life on Mar 7, 2020 8:03:59 GMT -5
I heard Ford is in talks to lease the old abandoned airport east of Downtown Fantasy Land. They want to move our plant there because the surrounding population is always in perfect health, no one has ever done drugs of any kind, no one ever misses a day of work for any reason and they don't believe Unions are necessary. It’s all a big joke until it’s not. Ask around, Ford spent millions on a paint shop in Lorain I believe it was years ago and never ran a car through it. Got so fed up with the nonsense the shut the whole thing down, numerous people ended up here. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that but couldn’t say I don’t blame them if it did. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 7, 2020 8:40:43 GMT -5
With less than 4 yrs til retirement give me the 45,000 to relocate then a lump sum in 23 and I’ll be happy.Dont care
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Post by beenaround on Mar 7, 2020 9:40:54 GMT -5
With less than 4 yrs til retirement give me the 45,000 to relocate then a lump sum in 23 and I’ll be happy.Dont care They ran 3 T-Birds through that paint shop. Put a sticker on the inside driver side door that read "You are the proud owner of an eighty million dollar paint job." As the invested money for that shop was 240 million. They took that shop down and moved it to Michigan mainly. Not because of hourly employees but because of the argument amongst several cities of who tax money on the shop would go to. |
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Post by machination on Mar 7, 2020 11:08:10 GMT -5
I was told by a Superintendent that if they held new hires to the same standards they held us to in the 90's they couldn't staff a shift. I've watched TEMPS literally, LITTTTTTERRRRALLLLLY miss 20-30 things a day on their job for a solid week and not so much as a word. I've watched new hires have the line down because they're on their phone and give the supervisor the index-finger-justaminute sign before turning the line back on and not a word. If they wanted they could fire 700 people within a week. Yet nobody can give them too much shit about it because that's harassment. Their feelings might get hurt. Just make the team leader or some other good worker pick up their slack and do more work. Easier for the invertebrate supervisor. Hell, labor relations doesn't even discipline for awols now until you're up to a month off. What a way to send a message to the degenerates, people who only take advantage of other peoples' leniency. "Hey, um, the plant's future is at risk because of high absenteeism, so stop it, please, but hey go ahead and keep missing because we aren't going to do shit about it. Enjoy your day off.".. . |
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Post by thereandback on Mar 7, 2020 20:31:00 GMT -5
I call bullshit on the whole stupid mess. Anything is possible for any number of reasons, but they're more likely to bankrupt the company with a lot of other stupid decisions before they disrupt the most profitable plant in the entire system.
They spent valuable negotiating capital reducing the awol scale, then encouraged absenteeism by zeroing awols. The obvious end game is to fire people more easily. So do it. Don't threaten my job over other ppl being bad employees. Take the job of the one that doesnt value it and that just might open the eyes of the next in line to get their shit together.
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Post by entitlednewhire on Mar 7, 2020 21:14:43 GMT -5
I call bullshit on the whole stupid mess. Anything is possible for any number of reasons, but they're more likely to bankrupt the company with a lot of other stupid decisions before they disrupt the most profitable plant in the entire system. They spent valuable negotiating capital reducing the awol scale, then encouraged absenteeism by zeroing awols. The obvious end game is to fire people more easily. So do it. Don't threaten my job over other ppl being bad employees. Take the job of the one that doesnt value it and that just might open the eyes of the next in line to get their shit together. the problem isn't awols its fmla bullshit..the union won't say shit and people high five people that get it |
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Post by ktp99 on Mar 7, 2020 22:21:36 GMT -5
Ford can fix the FMLA problem if they wanted to . All they have to do is watch Social Media post and change some other things within the process.
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 8, 2020 8:17:30 GMT -5
All the years I’ve worked here I’ve NEVER seen so many AWOLs that the line couldn’t run.They always find people.Im thinking it’s a setup to get more trucks to OHAP because we can’t keep up with demand.And like the guy just wrote you change bookend days(great) and you clear AWOLs but now you’re crying about absenteeism??BULLSHIT
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Post by nra4life on Mar 8, 2020 11:09:51 GMT -5
Ford can fix the FMLA problem if they wanted to . All they have to do is watch Social Media post and change some other things within the process. They should do what UPS does, make people uses personal/vacation hours until they have none, then they get it without pay. Ford so stupid the let people FMLA with no pay and then schedule vacations. This would put and end to some of it I bet |
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Post by tiger66 on Mar 8, 2020 15:55:44 GMT -5
FMLA is federal law, nothing ford can do about that.
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Post by nra4life on Mar 8, 2020 18:15:03 GMT -5
FMLA is federal law, nothing ford can do about that. Can force them to use personal/vacation time first. |
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Post by Ex-metalman on Mar 8, 2020 18:31:47 GMT -5
I wouldn’t care if I had it.(fmla)I would use my personal time then go on medical during shutdown and take vacation later.You can’t beat these losers.
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Post by tiger66 on Mar 8, 2020 20:21:38 GMT -5
FMLA is federal law, nothing ford can do about that. Can force them to use personal/vacation time first. If ford could don’t you think they would have by now? FMLA and Jury duty is federal. |
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Post by ktp99 on Mar 8, 2020 23:15:57 GMT -5
Can force them to use personal/vacation time first. If ford could don’t you think they would have by now? FMLA and Jury duty is federal. When you are taking FMLA but posting on FB that you just had your best game of basketball or pic of you out at the bar dancing, Ford can do something about it. I remember hearing about companies sending PI out to peoples house and watching them to see if they were really hurt. Just think how much money Ford would save and how high the turn over would be. Abusing FMLA is not federal protected. |
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Post by entitlednewhire on Mar 9, 2020 1:40:12 GMT -5
If ford could don’t you think they would have by now? FMLA and Jury duty is federal. When you are taking FMLA but posting on FB that you just had your best game of basketball or pic of you out at the bar dancing, Ford can do something about it. I remember hearing about companies sending PI out to peoples house and watching them to see if they were really hurt. Just think how much money Ford would save and how high the turn over would be. Abusing FMLA is not federal protected. could that be a bid job? |
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Post by nra4life on Mar 9, 2020 10:25:55 GMT -5
Can force them to use personal/vacation time first. If ford could don’t you think they would have by now? FMLA and Jury duty is federal. They can do it and a simple google search will tell you that. Many other companies do it that way, Ford bows to the union and the union is in the business of protecting these abusers. |
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