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marcus Professional Posts: 2,684	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 16, 2009 17:51:56 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by marcus on Dec 16, 2009 17:51:56 GMT -5 We need a list of UAW leaders that wanted us to vote yes on contract so we can get them out.
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ktpregular Amateur Posts: 115	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 17, 2009 0:47:01 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by ktpregular on Dec 17, 2009 0:47:01 GMT -5 Ditto here!

rudedawg Novice Posts: 296	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 17, 2009 3:26:44 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by rudedawg on Dec 17, 2009 3:26:44 GMT -5 It would be a shorter list for the ones that stood up against it. Thanks again for standing up for us and all who had the common sense to vote no.

kessinger Professional Posts: 727	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 17, 2009 14:55:56 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kessinger on Dec 17, 2009 14:55:56 GMT -5 Your welcome.
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Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 20, 2009 1:59:28 GMT -5

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Post by ktpworker on Dec 20, 2009 1:59:28 GMT -5

Kessinger I appreciate you taking the time to communicate with others on this site and answering peoples questions. I wish all of our reps enjoyed and valued their jobs like you do, especially our international reps. I, like many others feel like I was just kicked in the pants by our own leadership. Bob King tried so hard to get these concessions passed, and so quickly too. Thank God they didn't pass. Then about a week later Ford boast's a heafty profit. Last week Ford announced raises, 401k contributions, ETAP reinstatement, and a merit program for management. Now Bob King is going to succeed Ron Gettelfinger. We (the body of the membership) conviently enough, can not nominate nor vote for our own president. How un-American is that? Like in a previous post, Ford pays for our local leadership and WE pay for the international. It just doesn't add up to me. You have represented me well in the past and Ford pays you. We pay the international and they sell us out and if I'm not mistaken they gave themselves raises not too long ago. I guess my question is how do we make the changes that are necessary to bring the IUAW back on our side or is it even possible? Now that they own so much of Ford, GM, and Chrysler stock it seems to me that our best interest's would now be a conflict of interest for the IUAW. If this is the case we may as well find a new union to represent us in order to keep from being reamed any further. What is your take on this? How many other people on this forum fell the same way?

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Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 20, 2009 5:04:51 GMT -5

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Post by bo862 on Dec 20, 2009 5:04:51 GMT -5

find a new union to represent us

This is something we need to be careful with. There is language in the constitution that states any local leader that tries to form or subvert the IUAW will be removed from office. No member will be able to run for, or be appointed to, any union position that is attempting to subvert the IUAW. That is not the exact language but that is the intent.

Article 10 section 12. Here is a link. www.uaw.org/constitution/article10.cfm

I have been planning to start a discussion about our current relationship with the IUAW, and see if we can come up with any reasonable solutions. I suggest we make it in the political forums since it involves both plants and it involves political processes. If no one starts a thread there I will this is important. Elections for the people that determine our international leaders and constitution are coming up soon.

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Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 22, 2009 13:07:48 GMT -5

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Post by kessinger on Dec 22, 2009 13:07:48 GMT -5

I like many of you, am pissed about the raises on the coat tails of the vote. But, we should also be a little happy that we were dead right and that we weren't ruining the company when we voted it down, as many told us we were.

But, let me say this. I have never went to the floor with a contract and tried to scare or harass anyone into voting for it. I informed and let the mebership vote. Because trying to bully someone into thinking as you do is wrong. Does everyone agree with that? If you agree with that then how can you say "if you supported the contract I wont' vote for you". Isn' that the same thing? If you do that aren't you now the bully? Judge your reps. on what they do in the job as a whole not one issue. We don't and shouldn't always see things the same way. To keep everyone on thier toes and to have a good blend of ideas you need people that think differently. Just my two cents.

" The U.S. economy is like a poker game where the chips have become concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and the other fellows can stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit runs out, the game will stop."--Federal Reserve Chairman Marriner Eccles

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Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 22, 2009 14:00:47 GMT -5

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Post by axleman on Dec 22, 2009 14:00:47 GMT -5

I don't really see your point about bullying. If I chose not to vote for someone who voted for the contract thats my choice and right as a union member. I don't see it as me bullying someone I disagree with. If a rep. doesn't get reelected due to his voting record I call that Democracy! You represent the people. The membership should vote for the people who they feel represent their views. Why should I vote for someone who I disagree with? If they vote the wrong way on an issue as important as this last contract negotiation then yes I will vote against them next time around. It's the peoples right, it keeps the representatives of the people on their toes. As it should.

lucero Professional Sound off like you've got a pair! Posts: 545	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 22, 2009 15:40:00 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by lucero on Dec 22, 2009 15:40:00 GMT -5 I agree axleman, If you are elected by us,for us then MAN UP! if you do or dont agree with a vote then state that publicly. Dont ride the fence. Dont play politics, we can smell BULLSHIT when it fed to us.
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Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 22, 2009 23:02:52 GMT -5

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Post by lap65 on Dec 22, 2009 23:02:52 GMT -5

You can think differently & blend other ideas about anything you want, but when it comes to representing the people who voted you in, if you don't represent the majority's (overwhelmingly) wishes, then you will get voted out. That's the purpose of voting. You say judge your reps on the job they do as a whole, not one issue. This one issue was one of the most important issues in my 17 years working here & how my reps feel about this one very big issue supercedes any other issues. Why? Because if we give up much more the other issues won't matter. I can think about walking off my job an hour early every day & going home, but if I stop thinking about it & do it, I'll lose my job. As far as I am concerned any union rep that actively supported this walked off their job.Just my 2 cents.

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kessinger Professional Posts: 727	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 27, 2009 21:29:53 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kessinger on Dec 27, 2009 21:29:53 GMT -5 Not my fight, as I said I was open about the need to vote it down. I'm too tired to argue about it at this point. So you guys win.
	" The U.S. economy is like a poker game where the chips have become concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, and the other fellows can stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit runs out, the game will stop."--Federal Reserve Chairman Marriner Eccles

tonyp Professional Posts: 676	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 28, 2009 0:10:54 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by tonyp on Dec 28, 2009 0:10:54 GMT -5 So you're going to lay down and take it up the butt like lots of other union reps did trying to get us to pass that last bs?

bo862 Professional Posts: 512	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 28, 2009 8:58:09 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bo862 on Dec 28, 2009 8:58:09 GMT -5 There was only one person on the bargaining committee to support this, it was not Kessinger. In fact I only heard of one person in the local who supported it. If you know more post them here.
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elmer Professional Posts: 714	Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 28, 2009 9:09:11 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by elmer on Dec 28, 2009 9:09:11 GMT -5 It will be the rank and files number 1 priority too defeat any and all reps who voted for are supported this last giveback

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Need a list of UAW leaders who Dec 28, 2009 11:27:43 GMT -5

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Post by tonyp on Dec 28, 2009 11:27:43 GMT -5

I was just trying to insight a reaction from kessinger...I don't know the guy personally and prob never will but he should never quit and never give up...From what I've read about him he is one few that didn't vote yes for the last giveback...You got my support kess.