supreme court just laid the pipe to UNIONS!!

[watchmen]

The Supreme court over turned the laws that limited corporate and labor groups donations to campaigns under the guise of Freedom of Speech.

I have been following this case for the past 6 months and talked about it with co workers who acted like i was nuts. They could of cared less what i was trying to tell them and what was coming. What this means is that billions and billions of corporate money and special interest groups like automobile industry or health insurance companies can now spend ungodly sums of money on advertising and smear campaigns for or against those running for office. Ford can use their money and GM , Chrylser can us their bail out money to support and help put in office a polititian that will not support and weaken unions. Do you think the UAW can spend that kind of money to put a pro union politician in office? Not to mention the foreign invested companies that will pump the money to by a politician.

Those who represent us is suppose to be for the people, by the people. Now its gonna be businesses like Walmart, Health care, pharmacies, oil companies...etc. who will be representing our best interest.

Your president in 2012 brought to you by _______ ( insert corporate entity of your choice)

[wallflower]

UAW, Teamsters, NAACP, NEA, etc. All corporations.

[justaworker]

Jan 21, 2010 23:54:16 GMT -5 wallflower said:

UAW, Teamsters, NAACP, NEA, etc. All corporations.

yep. we had a free run for awhile.

[kingofalldans]

I don't know you and I think your nuts too!

[kessinger]

Wow, I had been afraid this would happen to. With this changed we will have no chance of ever getting represented as citizens. Worse yet foriegn companies are included so China could also have alot of sway in our elections.

[Calvin@KTP]

I have been following this case as well and I am concerned. To me this is a very big deal especially the fact that foriegn companies can now put as much money at they want into the candidate they want in.

[bo862]

The Supreme court over turned the laws that limited corporate and labor groups donations to campaigns under the guise of Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of Speech? This is freedom of control. This is a sell out to corporations, plain and simple

[atltolap]

Never mind that pesky constitution!

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

Awsome, instead of only rich people running for office, I can find someone with money(rich) to help me run(show me the money)!......a broke middle class worker like myself can be President...

[trinitus]

As long as we have the buying power, we can control which company gets rich. I mean everyone who votes, even the lowly old poor class Wal-Mart shopper.

[ktpking]

I'll have to look it up but, I wonder how many Justicies voted for this that was appointed by Democrat Presidents? They are pro union, Right?

After this election in Mass, they interviewed people leaving the polls and to my disamay the majority that responded were pissed about what is going on in the Democratic party. They are not representing the people they are representing their agenda. Do you know another thing that has the American people pissed? The fact that the union leaders met with the Obama administration to get the Cadillac tax removed from the unions. Then they agreed to do it. Sounds like the Obama administration just bought some more votes. In a way is'nt that blackmail? You remove the tax we support you you don't remove the tax we will not support you.

I have said this before the American people have little to no respect for unions anymore. How can we change this? I really don't know. I guess stay out of Washington, stop running to Yarmuths office when things don't go their way, and stop printing what we make in the fuc*ing paper!!!!!! Is the union rubbing that in the peoples face when they wake up in the morning and read about how much we make then go to their job and make a third of what we make. Then turn on the TV to find our leaders are going to Washington on an all expense paid trip to cry about a tax they will implement on the unions health care. I can see why people are pissed. I hear it all the time with my family and friends. They know we are getting a bonus before I do. They know how much I am getting before I do. Then the bashing starts I make toooooo much money just shooting screws. I quit even argueing with them . I do a hell of alot more that shoot screws all day.

Never pay attention to the ads they put out for someone running for office. Do your OWN homework. You have the internet if you are reading this. Look up the persons preformance while they were in office. Not rocket science. Don't listen to someone else's opionion about the person running do YOUR own investigation. I promise if you make your own mind up, when you walk into the polls you will be better informed and know in YOUR heart that you voted for the right person. I personally would like the union to stay out of politics. I feel that when my elected officials hand me a paper on who to vote for they think I am stupid. I have no sense that they need to educate and tell me who to vote for. Look where that got us. That change is working out real well is'nt it?

[jgt150ktp]

We as citizens have the right to put into office who we choose. Until a company comes to my door and hands me cash for my vote, I still vote for who I want. Ktpking, You are absolutely 100% spot on. Before the election in 08 I was told by a coworker" that he was given a sheet of endorsed candidates the union was supporting" and thats how he was going to vote! He said he did his homework every friday when he opened his check. That was good enough for him. Good lord no wonder we are so screwed as a country was my response. I told him I didn't care who he voted for but that he should do some research before just going by some sheet of paper the union put out. Now its biting him in the ass. We make less than we ever have before and will continue to lose money as certain tax cuts don't get renewed.

People don't realize just what we do or have to put up with from the company or the union on a daily basis. They never will. I have worked at a mom and pop job shop all my life until I came to work at Ford. Life was much easier back then, but I made no money to speak of. Now I make big money and people say I don't do anything. My reply simply is " oh thats why I can barely walk from my garage to my house when I get home, because I don't do anything.

Republican,Democrat; I say whats the difference? they all need to go. People will always vote for the R or the D beside someones name on the ballot. Nobody wants to do their homework and research candidates. Its such hard work. I research candidates everyday. When this country was founded it was orginally set up that JUST property owners were allowed to vote because actually had something at stake in an election, THEIR LAND. Lets get back to that way of doing things. Quit letting people who have nothing at stake have a say. Then we would have a fair election on the Federal ,State and Local levels. We would have fiscal respondsibility.

[ktpelec]

"Quit letting people who have nothing at stake have a say" WTF??? So exactly who is that? Just factory workers? Just people that make a certain amount of money? Just people that vote exactly like YOU do?

[oldasdirt]

I have said it before and say it again both parties have been selling us out for a long time!

[buckeyeinky]

the vote was 4-4 with all R appointee voted for it all D app. voted no...the tie breaker ?good ole W. app. cheif justice john roberts.so when the union passed out that paper who to vote for...i bet they did there research and there wasnt any ANTI UNION REPUBLICANS on it . thank god a dem is pres. now any justice is going to retire soon .

[Calvin@KTP]

Also this was not brought before the court. Chief Justice Roberts sought this case out. They threw out two pecedents dating back almost 100 years to get to this ruling.

I don't think people understand how this could effect American polotics. A company like Exxon who in the past had to use donations to get involved in the political process can now use all their profits to influence political elections.

In real world dollars...Last year Exxon had about one million dollars donated to their Political Action Committee(PAC). This was all they could use for political purposes under law. Now they can invest thier full 45 billion dollars in profits. That's 45 billion with a B.

[watchmen]

Im still trying to figure out how SCOTUS gave the same rights a individual has provided to them by the Bill of Rights to a corporation. How is a corporation considered a living being? Hell corporations are so global now that many employees are not U.S. citizens.

Still scratching my head...

[Calvin@KTP]

Exactly...the high court decided that a corporation now has the same rights under the bill of rights that an individual citizen has. This is exactly what the founding fathers were guarding against...large concentrations of power.

Now a representitive will vote with corporations (foreign or domestic) for fear of the full brunt of a corporation's profits being brought against him in the next election. The individual vote has just been marginalized.

A tidal wave of money has just been released into the halls of our congress. Money corrupts ablsolutely.

[buckeyeinky]

just goes to show how bad the right wingers hate us.....yet we still vote for them

[kessinger]

Jan 23, 2010 16:13:40 GMT -5 atltolap said:

Never mind that pesky constitution!

Atl, are you saying that Companys should be equal to a US citizen?


Here is my biggest issue. We have been told for years we need conservative judges to repeal abortion. Yet they have done nothing on Abortion, and they seek out a case to give corperations "free speech". I sure hope people realize what their real agenda is.

And as far as being able to vote with your dollars. If you live in a rural part of the state, you have almost no option for 80% of your purchases except Wal Mart. Alot of the pople in poor parts of the state can't afford to drive past 4 Wal Marts to get to something else.


KtpKing, I think your accessment of the Mass. election is off. The Dem. led in the polls early on. If everyone hated Dems. she would not have led the polls a single day for the simple reason that she was a Dem. She opened her mouth and made hereself a fool and got herself beaten as she should have been beaten. You can't say you don't want to shake a strangers hand and expect to get elected.

The reason Mass. doesn't want national healthcare reform is that their state already has it. They want to hold onto the reform they already have.