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Post by kessinger on Feb 3, 2010 22:57:18 GMT -5
We are about to enter a dark and dirty time here at KTP and force its workers in to the Marxist Neo Communist enterprise known as unemployment. So, I ask. Will you be taking part in this socialism or standing fast in your beliefs and saying "nay I will not become a welfare King"?
I know what ScottR's answer will be, he is a Renfroatarian. He will take the dough.
In full disclosure I will be wallowing in Capitalism myself during the week off, my kids DVD player bit the dust and I will be buying the cheapist I can scour the land to find. I LOVE OUR MIXED ECONOMY.
So lets hear it, do you realy hate socialism or just hate it when you aren't the one involved?
p.s. dont answer with the old lie that WE pay our unempoyment. The goverment makes Ford keep a fund that it comes out of. That is redistribution of wealth at its finest right there. I promise I won't forward your answer to Glenn Beck.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Feb 4, 2010 0:34:11 GMT -5
You answered your own question...Ford is forced to pay for each of us...I love taking as much free money from Ford as I can. They paid for my degree too. They paid for my trip to DC for the Explorer rally. I love taking advantage of my employer.
I received a $415 check yesterday for being off last week. I will voluntarily sit my ass at home any week you guys need me to.
And I have no problem taking SUB pay either...a negotiated benefit that the UAW has not encouraged me to give up yet. As for working 9 hours tonight with NO OT...I say, "thanks to all you pieces of shit that voted that in". Fucking losers...I hate working for free, but I love short work week. Negotiated socialism is GREAT!
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Feb 4, 2010 0:38:23 GMT -5
And it's LibertariAn, please don't disrespect my political party.  If you want to join or learn...check out: www.lpky.org/Go here and see if you are a Libertarian: www.lp.org/I would imagine most of you are Libertarians and don't even know it. |
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Post by ktpking on Feb 4, 2010 2:36:10 GMT -5
I don't believe unemployment is welfare. That is not even compareable. Here is my take. I know you fellas don't like what I have to say all the time. I am for welfare for a limited time. It's the puke bottom feeders that don't want to work that destroy the system. I think that if you are on welfare you should be made to work. Hence you are a government employee getting a government check. They should take their asses and make them pick up trash at our parks, expressways, and other places. Cut grass, serve food at homeless shelters, man there is all kinds of things these welfare recipentants could do. Our government is to stupid to do it. You don't show up for work you get a percentage of your check taken out. Do you know how fast these people would find a job. Real Fuc*ing fast. Welfare has turned into a living for some. It is taught to the kids to do the same. Passport (free government health care) Food stamps (free food brought to you by the taxpayers) I see it all the time at Krogers. Some person with a shit load of food piled on the conveyer, I check em out more gold on em than MR. T. New shoes. Nice clothes better than I'm wearing. Then Bam!!!!! The government free food card is pulled out. By then my blood pressure is boiling eyes are glazed over with anger. I check out load my 3 bags of food in my Explorer look over and the Mother Fuc*er is in a brand new Chrysler. Then I start to think I'm the studid fuc* for working. I'm paying these useless slugs not to work with my tax money.
So you wonder why I'm a Republican. Read this post over...
I'm for the working people. Not the lazy people that don't want to help themselves. I've lost jobs through the years and humped my ass off to find work. It can be done if you want it. I don't care what I do as long as I provide for my family. When I'm sitting on my ass drawing a check it will be because I'm retired.
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Post by ktpelec on Feb 4, 2010 7:25:48 GMT -5
These ideas such as making people work for thier welfare and/or drug tests ect.. are great ideas but how would we fund them? How are you going to pay the people that supervise these programs, or the price of the drug tests? This would double the cost of the program itself. In a "free" society like ours you will always have someone taking advantage of the "system". There is no difference between an uneducated deadbeat on Welfare, a middle class factory worker that doesn't come to work, or a politician that accepts "kickbacks" for legislation. One is just as bad as the other.
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Post by ktpking on Feb 4, 2010 8:21:34 GMT -5
These ideas such as making people work for thier welfare and/or drug tests ect.. are great ideas but how would we fund them? How are you going to pay the people that supervise these programs, or the price of the drug tests? This would double the cost of the program itself
The program is already funded. Welfare, for the unemployed. Lets take the clean up "job" for an example. The supervision part is taken care of. They are State employees. The cleaning up of the expressways would be handled by the Transportation Dept. The State used to take care of this, now it is contracted out. Look at the money saved by the State. So, even if you had to hire a couple more State workers the job is no longer contracted out. Huge return for investment. Plus this would help Obamers cause of creating "jobs". Drug tests. Would'nt waste the time or money. They don't drug test welfare recipients now. Like I said this is not a permenant job for these people. Welfare is not ment for that. Make em work for their government check insted of watching Maury, Oprah, Price is Right. Trust me this could be done. Will it? Nope.......
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Post by ktpelec on Feb 4, 2010 8:49:40 GMT -5
What state money?? Kentucky has a 161 Million dollar shortage right now. Many states are in way worse shape.
Welfare statistics show that White people make up the largest majority, 38%. it isn't a racial thing. Less than 20% of the people recieving Welfare remain on it more than a year. Welfare is a good program basically, as I stated before, there will always be someone "cheating" the system. I agree it could be more efficient, but so could a lot of other more costly programs.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Feb 4, 2010 12:37:24 GMT -5
I know a couple that make about $22,000 combined income...with 3 kids...with the government aid they received, they have over $36,000 disposable income and are getting back over $7,000 in tax returns this year. Please explain to me how this is even fair? I won't even go into detail on mine, but I still owe more.  |
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Post by ktpelec on Feb 4, 2010 13:29:48 GMT -5
"Fair" has many meanings. I guess if everything was "fair" and "equal" here in America we would be Socialistic society. LOL
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Post by justaworker on Feb 4, 2010 15:12:36 GMT -5
all money that ford pays to the state of kentucky for unemployment insurance is a direct labor cost for my employment.
all money that ford to the federal gov't for social security is a direct labor cost for my employment. instead of ford giving that money to the state and federal gov't...they should include it in our yearly pay. that way, we could invest it ourselves and have WAY more money than we get in unemployment benefits, or eventually social security. the system is set up to make you dependent on gov't. its $$ that you've already earned, that the gov't is now rationing out to you. because they think you're too stupid to do it yourself.
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Post by marcus on Feb 4, 2010 16:34:22 GMT -5
Id rather have the money Ford has to pay for unemployment and put it in my pocket.Im sure Id end up with much more.Same with my SSI tax Id have more if I was allowed to do with it as I see fit.
I beleave in one flat tax for all period.If you dont pay Federal tax u shouldnt get back if you dont pay in.
The system is pure Bullshit
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Post by kessinger on Feb 5, 2010 0:35:56 GMT -5
I love a spirited debate.
I too think we could work out a good way to have them work for the money. But, to me the best way would be to make it worth it to work. There is very little difference between what you make a year on SSI (welfare) and what you earn if you work a 40 hour job at minimum wage. So, by our policys we are encouraging people to not work. If you can make the same sitting at home your a fool not to.
For those of you that think I am a socialist, I am not. We the people should be the masters of this country. And we the people should DEMAND that companys that do business here pay a living wage, and employ AMerican citizens first and foremost. This country did it for years in the 40's, 50's, 60's and early 70's. If it worked then it can work now. We too often buy into what is good for business is good for America. I say BULL FUCKING SHIT. We the people should demand a goverment that puts its citizens ahead of business interests. I thought this recession would swing our country away from such PRO business anti worker policys but I swear I think we are going the other way.
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Post by kessinger on Feb 5, 2010 0:41:01 GMT -5
I will read the Lib. partys info Scott. I do have alot in common with their beliefs. But, I do believe things like UE run counter to their belief systems. I will read up. We definatly need another option than the two we have. If for no other reason than to keep them more honest to their beliefs.
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Post by kessinger on Feb 5, 2010 1:01:13 GMT -5
Sorry Scott. They lost me on the first page I read.
They are against things like OSHA (they need to be stronger not weaker), minimum wage and regulations on business. I am not someone that believes companys are the victims in America. They always use "small business" or "mom and pop" business as a battle cry. They want to deregulate all business and none of us here think Ford, or comapnys like them, are getting shafted here in America. I myself made an effort to start a small business and didn't find that I was drown in regulation, it was piss poor terms on a building lease that got me. So, this argument doesn't hold water with me.
If we forget the history of our contry we are doomed to repeat it. Without things like OSHA and workers right laws we will go back to pre-depression conditions, where the worker is expendable and their deaths are just the cost of doing business. I would be suprised if anyone here wanted that.
This is a quote from their site:
We should eliminate the entire social welfare system. This includes eliminating AFDC, food stamps, subsidized housing, and all the rest. Individuals who are unable to fully support themselves and their families through the job market must, once again, learn to rely on supportive family, church, community, or private charity to bridge the gap.
This sounds great on paper. But we have a group of people laid off at LAP that are not lazy they are not trying to live off the goverment, but they need the things that the Lib. party say we don't need in America. I do agree the welfare system should be a safety net not place you live. But to say we don't need it at all is to deny reality.
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Post by myviewmatters on Feb 5, 2010 5:05:51 GMT -5
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Post by ktpking on Feb 5, 2010 8:39:54 GMT -5
What state money?? Kentucky has a 161 Million dollar shortage right now. Many states are in way worse shape. Welfare statistics show that White people make up the largest majority, 38%. it isn't a racial thing. Less than 20% of the people recieving Welfare remain on it more than a year. Welfare is a good program basically, as I stated before, there will always be someone "cheating" the system. I agree it could be more efficient, but so could a lot of other more costly programs. Money, who in Washington gives a shit about money anymore. We have a guy in office right now that is spending more money than any or all the presidents put together. America will be bankrupt. His mentality is just print some more. This devalues the dollar. I don't know if they passed it or not but, I know they wanted to raise the celing on our debt. I just hope they know what the hell they are doing. As far as race I don't know why you brought that up. I don't care what race you are if you are getting a check (welfare) you need to work for it. |
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Post by ktpelec on Feb 5, 2010 9:15:20 GMT -5
Due to the extreme population explosion (we are way faster than rabbits) there will never be enough money to go around. Every President has printed more money than the one before, it is supply and demand. In the future it will be food, water, housing, ect...
The debt crisis is Global, not just America. Every large country has huge debt, some just don't allow it to be seen as easily as the U.S. does.
As far as race, I was just presenting facts concerning Welfare, not a Mr.T reference. LOL
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Post by kessinger on Feb 5, 2010 17:52:27 GMT -5
KTPking I am with you on fears of the debt. But be very careful of saying it is only Obama that has spent this money. To say that, is to deny history and to deny history is a path to repeating it.
We need to stop all this spending, including the wars and aid to other countrys. Al Qieda has taken a page form the Reagan playbook. They can't defeat us in battle but they can make us spend money on wars until we destroy ourselves trying to fight a phantom. You could nuke every country in the middle east and some Muslim in spain would still believe we are the devil. Al Qieda doesn't rule any country, it is a belief system and you can't bomb a belief. But the wars won't end because those soliders coming home will just add to the unemployment rolls.
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