chicago info from union meeting on 2/9

[justaworker]

*second shift at chicago will start up this june.
*they need 1,200, and there are only 489 (i believe thats the number he quoted) on layoff nationwide. there should be alot of new hires there.
*two shifts should be back up and running at LAP by september/october of 2011. so thats 15 months approx away from home.
*with the amount of people LAP will need, all will be brought back.
*if you want recall rights, do NOT respond to the robocall that should be coming early next week. you do NOT wand to follow your product as transfer of operations
*should be surveyed for voluntary transfers the first weeks of march
*steve does not expect anybody to be forced to go ford would rather pay new hires, than to shift us up there on a temp basis.


if anybody has any questions, i will try to answer.

[mattdaddy25000]

I need to know when something will be known about the 78 possible transfers to KTP. Why is this in question? Ktp says no, LAP says yes. Which is it? Very critical info before i make my decision to chicago. Staying in town would be my decision if thats possible but im afraid i will be forced to make a decision before that issue is resolved. On another note...I was at the union meeting and STILL find it hard to believe that we can volunteer to go to chicago and receive $4800 to go up. The part i cant believe is that volunteers get $30,000 when we return home after only 16 months. Doesn't everyone find that awfully sweet of ford? Thats why something smells fishy.

[davesredneck]

thanks for the info!

[justaworker]

Feb 9, 2010 16:34:10 GMT -5 mattdaddy25000 said:

The part i cant believe is that volunteers get $30,000 when we return home after only 16 months. Doesn't everyone find that awfully sweet of ford? Thats why something smells fishy.

i heard that too. and believe that either he mispoke, or we misheard. from what i remember, if FORCED to go we would get $30,000 to return home. i think as volunteers we get the $4,800 to move but keep recall rights. but don't get anything when coming back to home plant.

[mattdaddy25000]

That would make the "forced" the lucky ones? Since they need 1200 and there is 400 or so laid off in the system, shouldn't we all just not sign up, and wait to get forced?

[rudedawg]

It was said that volunteers will get $30,000 upon return. I found that hard to believe that's why I asked again if I heard that right and was told that that is the way it is. Both BC's don't think there will be any forcing of people to Chicago. Thus nobody will get to roll to KTP. So in short I guess if we don't volunteer on the second chance our benefits and pay will run out in August. Damn if you do and damn if you don't. We will still have call back rights though. Good luck to everyone.

[ggcoop]

Nobody is going to be issued a strike.been saying it all along.If it comes to that,it will be after their benefits run out and if you have seniority,you will be able to bump in-zone(K.T.P.).Put it this way....The people at K.T.P. are not going to be bumped.I anticipate more people signing up to go to Chicago than originally thought,because of the deal.In mid march,you can sign up to transfer(or Bid) to Chicago.Expect to leave around May for night shift that is starting in June.Sign up to return to L.A.P. at Chicago,In Sept. or Oct. of 2011 you will be recalled.You get $4,800.00 to go to Chicago.$6,000.00 when you leave for L.A.P.,$16,000.00 after working for a month at L.A.P.,$8.000.00 following a year of service.Hats off to the Union for negotiating this deal.It's a opportunity.

[drew1980]

hey ggcoop, i dont know about u but that is alot of $$$. for us to go up their and work, then come back!

[ScottR@KTP]

That is one hell of an offer for anyone...I will think long and hard about this monetary gain for a long term vacation in one of my favorite cities.

[sparkie]

Well, who said something about bumpin somrbody at KTP?

[brizzel]

Feb 9, 2010 20:37:27 GMT -5 ggcoop said:

Nobody is going to be issued a strike.been saying it all along.If it comes to that,it will be after their benefits run out and if you have seniority,you will be able to bump in-zone(K.T.P.).Put it this way....The people at K.T.P. are not going to be bumped.I anticipate more people signing up to go to Chicago than originally thought,because of the deal.In mid march,you can sign up to transfer(or Bid) to Chicago.Expect to leave around May for night shift that is starting in June.Sign up to return to L.A.P. at Chicago,In Sept. or Oct. of 2011 you will be recalled.You get $4,800.00 to go to Chicago.$6,000.00 when you leave for L.A.P.,$16,000.00 after working for a month at L.A.P.,$8.000.00 following a year of service.Hats off to the Union for negotiating this deal.It's a opportunity.

that sounds to good to be true....

[lucero]

Back up Scott, how bout letting those of us not working gettin a little gravy. LOL!

[justaworker]

a friend just talked with stve stone. from what stone has been told, WE DO get the $30,000 upon transferring back to LAP. sounds too good to be true, and it would almost make up for us getting screwed over so bad. hopefully, this can be clarified and confirmed.

[lucero]

I'll believe it when I have cash in hand!

[marcus]

Can We at KTP signup Id love to go for that.

[informer]

Just remember that the rules seem to change like the wind....how much money total is Ford going to pay for all the members that want to return? 400 people would cost the company 12 miillion dollars. 18 months from now? How much profit sharing money did you get? Where is your Christmas bonus? How likely is it that there would be a strike if you were told the rules have changed and you couldn't return? What would happen if the company decided that they just don't have the money to give the members when they return? What if the company wants to hire people at $14 an hour instead? Why do Kentucky members think that they will really be allowed to return if the Ohio, Michigan and Atlanta people didn't get to return to their homes? Why are they not being offered to return to their states? Why is this whole situation so confused? Why don't you feel like you have gotten straight answers? There are sooooooo many questions that you could ask yourselves, but no answers.... be very very leery!!!

[sonofberl]

first off this sounds to good to be true. I do agree with informer that there hasnt been many straight answers. But what do we do us on LIO have 3 choices say yes to the first call which I heard is already going out and stay in chicago get $30,000 and no return. or we wait say yes to second option later in the spring which is to go with recall rights and when we return? we get $30,000 sounds a little like a bait and switch. Then the third option is to say no to both loose all pay in spring and insurance in Aug. After that you are on your own and only have recall rights If and when they need you. Option 2 seems like the best way for most families but you get to choice hopefully they will not screw us more than they already have. This sucks but it is better than option 3. See you in Chicago I have a bad feeling about this.

[lap@lap]

So...what happen to the option of bumping a lesser senior member at KTP? will there be an opportunity for the ones on ILO with seniority to bump the lesser seniority at KTP when surveyed for Chicago? This information has an impact on our decision regarding Chicago. We need to know.

[lap@lap]

Many employees at KTP also would like to know if 'bump' seniority will come into play.
(1) Will LAP ILO's be 'eligible' for transfer to Chicago?

Both for Transfer of Operations and a posting for volunteers.

(2) Will they be able to 'bump' less senior employees at KTP in that instance?

If there are insufficient numbers to fill available out of zone opportunities, and an employee on infinite layoff is extended any job offer at an out-of-zone facility, the employee has three choices.

1) Accept the job offer,

2) Decline the job offer, and be placed on inactive status with no Co-provided income or benefit but retains recall rights, or

(3) Bump the least senior employee within the same zone. LAP and KTP are in the same zone.

[ScottR@KTP]

Didn't they have a meeting? Did they answer any questions or add more? I can't believe a meeting was held, but people still have no answers. Sounds WAY too good to be true.

[rudedawg]

One of the building chairman told me that the only way we can bump someone at KTP is if we get forced to Chicago and that they don't foresee anyone being forced. I'm sure either BC will be glad to answer your questions.

[ackspac]

Less then 100 people attended yesterdays meeting @6pm. Questions were answerd. I know I showed up because I had questions about Chicago, and they were answerd by Herb Hibbs and Steve Stone.

[lucero]

I heard Stone say that 495 on layoff nationwide, LAP has 260 of that, where are the other 235 from? Anyone know? Is Ford finished with the plant closures, or are there more to come?

[marcus]

So how many people ended up getting all the money they where promised when they moved?

[beenaround]

Marcus, when I transfered from OHAP in "98" I recieved everything that was offered at the time over a 2 year period. The money you recieve is taxed at the luxery tax level.That is 42%!
I'll have to say that uprooting and leaving everything that you've grown up with is not an easy thing to do but, I'f I were on ILO right now I wouldn't let the oppurtunity slip by.I've worked at 3 different Ford plants and have seen a lot of different things happen. As far as LAP goes,I truly hope all the plans they talk about happen. I still haven't seen any thing concrete that says that next vehicle will be built.There is so much gray matter in the contracts about how current economic situations will dictate on whether the company actually puts a product at a certain facility is really scary.That is why if I were in the ILO situation and wanted to keep working at Ford, I wouldn't pass on the Chicago oppurtunity.

[justaworker]

now, i'm beginning to wonder how AAI losing a shift in july will effect our opportunity to transfer to chicago.