One for you polar

[kessinger]

I have a feeling polar you are a Glen Beck fan. He admitted he believes in global warming in this article and even that he lives green. If you watch his show he wacked on how they portrayed him in the article but never disputed that he said it.

www.usaweekend.com/article/20100219/ENTERTAINMENT01/100218001/Don-t-judge-Beck-by-his-cover


For the record I am not a full blown believer in global warming but there are alot of things that do seem hard to explain away. For every yen there is a yang so if glaciers melt on one mountain do to normal weather they should grow on some other mountain somewhere and that doesn't seem to be the case. But, just thought you might like to read the article. I guess my point of few is, why take the chance if we dont have to. The risk of try to stop global warming and being wrong is that we just have a cleaner planet. If you fight global warming and are wrong well............

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

First Mr. Kessinger.,... no one denies global warming. Global warming has happened many times before on this planet....look it up. ...so the chances of it happening again are pretty g o o d.
Where i'm in denial is, that is man made!...or that mankind can stop it! Remeber, mankind wasn't around ,when it happened before......

Second, riddle me this, ............ What kills KINGS, destroys MOUNTAINS and has no physical body?....

Once you figure that out, you'll stop worrying too much about it, and live your life to its fullest...


.....I like living. I have sometimes been wildly, despairingly, acutely miserable, racked with sorrow, but through it all I still know quite certainly that just to be alive is a grand thing.

[ktpking]

Check this article out. Methane bubbles makes Global Warming worse...

www.livescience.com/environment/060906_methane_bubbles.html


Sometimes nature does things that we have no control over. Look at the Ice Age. The planet and solar system is changeing everyday. I was watching the History Channel and a segment said the United States is moving west 3 inches per year! The moon is traveling away from us. One day we wont have a moon to look at. Wonder what kind of effect that will have here on earth.

Fossil fuels will still be going strong long after were gone. Why? Too much money to be made off it.

Now, with all this said, If I can get the ass wipe that works in front of me to quit farting. Myself and the planet will be a cleaner place.

[ktpking]

Fear Me Not Kessinger!! For I speak the truth!!! ;D

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[ScottR@KTP]

Mr. polarbear, that was a great post!

[marcus]

I want to shake your hand polarbear that was darn good.

[ktpelec]

The term "Global warming" is not correct, it is now referred to as "Climate change" or "Climate extreme change". Yes it has been occuring on this planet as long as man is capable of tracking it. The one thing for sure is there has never been 8 Billion+ (and growing) humans on this planet before. I believe this number of people has made some kind of difference, how much only time will tell.

[justaworker]

LOL, i have always loved the enviro freaks. i used to live in floyds knobs, the knobs were was formed by glaciers millions of years ago. they have yet to explain who was driving the SUV's that melted the glaciers and left me with 3 acres of property to live on.

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

....as my username says, (Jobs 1st before polarbears)... what happens way too many times is that environmentalist will try to save the polarbears before the jobs and/or famalies that those jobs support....for WHAT!,,,,, a damn FUCKING BEAR.... sorry lost it a little bit....

Please read....how data can be misused...by these wackos!

ENVIRONMENTAL FANTASIES

Environmentalism is an ethical system that places the welfare of the planet, or "nature", above that of the human beings who live on it. In fact, human life is actually quite low on the totem pole of environmentalist priorities; and the existence of human beings is often thought of by those in the environmental movement as some sort of "infection" on the "pure essense" of nature; an infection that must be eradicated and/or kept under close control. For a dedicated environmentalist, the value of human life is somewhere below that of plants, animals and possibly even dirt.

If you doubt this assertion, then read about the "worst killer in the history of war and extermination":
Who is the worst killer in the long, ugly history of war and extermination? Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Not even close. A single book called Silent Spring killed far more people than all those fiends put together.

Published in 1962, Silent Spring used manipulated data and wildly exaggerated claims (sound familiar?) to push for a worldwide ban on the pesticide known as DDT – which is, to this day, the most effective weapon against malarial mosquitoes. The Environmental Protection Agency held extensive hearings after the uproar produced by this book… and these hearings concluded that DDT should not be banned. A few months after the hearings ended, EPA administrator William Ruckleshaus over-ruled his own agency and banned DDT anyway, in what he later admitted was a “political” decision. Threats to withhold American foreign aid swiftly spread the ban across the world.

The resulting explosion of mosquito-borne malaria in Africa has claimed over sixty million lives.

This was not a gradual process – a surge of infection and death happened almost immediately. The use of DDT reduces the spread of mosquito-borne malaria by fifty to eighty percent, so its discontinuation quickly produced an explosion of crippling and fatal illness. The same environmental movement which has been falsifying data, suppressing dissent, and reading tea leaves to support the global-warming fraud has studiously ignored this blood-drenched “hockey stick” for decades.

The motivation behind Silent Spring, the suppression of nuclear power, the global-warming scam, and other outbreaks of environmentalist lunacy is the worship of centralized power and authority. The author, Rachel Carson, didn’t set out to kill sixty million people – she was a fanatical believer in the newly formed religion of radical environmentalism, whose body count comes from callousness, rather than blood thirst. The core belief of the environmental religion is the fundamental uncleanliness of human beings. All forms of human activity are bad for the environment… most especially including the activity of large private corporations. Deaths in faraway Africa barely registered on the radar screen of the growing Green movement, especially when measured against the exhilarating triumph of getting a sinful pesticide banned, at substantial cost to an evil corporation.[emphasis mine]

Please read........

The unintended consequences ushered in by the do-gooders--who always know what's best for us hapless humans--are almost always devastating and destructive when policy is dictated by hysteria and a reliance on fear (or other feelings), rather than on reality. They mean well, after all. It isn't their fault that reality gets in the way of their implementation of utopian policies! They firmly believe that their beliefs are those of the enlightened 'elite' of the world.

It isn't their fault that the environment is a complex system! They only mean the best for us. It isn't their fault that complex systems are too 'nuanced' for their brains to comprehend.

For decades these pathetic do-gooders have sought to escape responsibility for the condequences of their fantasies. The world is littered with the corpses and awash in the tears of the people who they have "helped". Fantasy environmentalism is only one of a series of strategies they have fallen back on as they reassert their worship of centralized power (i.e., socialist/communist/Marxist ideology) and attempt to chain all of humanity to its domination.

Ask yourself how Al Gore's obsession has become required classroom reading. And how our children are being indoctrinated right this moment in the K-12 classrooms into the holy rituals of the environmental histrionics.

The fundamental goal of these radical environmentalists is not to end global warming or global cooling--they cannot do that since even the most aggressive actions make little impact; instead, their goal is to discredit capitalism and to use global warming and other environmental concerns as a justification to impose their ideological, political, and ethical agenda. They haven't a clue how to really counter the natural cooling and warming trends of the planet--but if they blame it on human beings, then the solution is to control people.

Global warming is a scientific issue. I can be convinced that the earth is getting warmer, but it will take more than slogans and hysteria to convince me that the warming is something other than a natural cycle in our planet's history that may have some repercussions on human life. The solution lies in technical advances to help humans adapt to climate change. Not to kill off the humans in order to save the planet.

If the radical environmentalists really wanted to "do something" about global warming, then they would be calling for funding projects that explore countermeasures and methods to adapt to it. What we see instead is the same kind of religious fanaticism and holy fervor that the left so despises in the fundamental right. What they really want is power over people.

Theirs is basically a totalitarian agenda in which they, the "elites", will dictate how people should live on this earth.

For some time there has been a struggle between the totalitarians of the right and the totalitarians of the left to dominate. All the major conflicts of the last century occurred when one or the other tried to take control over the world.

The Marxist left always based its claim for socialist leadership on "scientific principles" --including technology--which they assert "proves" that socialism works; except of course, that it didn't. Which is why the left has adopted the "new and improved" doctrine of radical environmentalism (which asserts that technology is evil and destructive),insisting that human society and progress are "destroying" the earth. Of course, they cleverly invoke "science" as a justification for their beliefs--a strategy that is identical to that adopted by the creationists in their "Intelligent Design" arguments (which, of course, the left has complete contempt for).

Neither represents real science.

The "elites" have never abandoned their dreams of imposing a socialist paradise, and one of their basic strategies is to undermine capitalism by using the talking points of their "environmental religion".

I suspect that they truly believe that if humans would abandon capitalism and technology; go back to the cave and live the "simple life", then their ideology would finally work in the real world and their dreams of a religious caliphate international socialist paradise would finally be realized.

Watch for new, improved environmental fantasies to be foisted on the public, evan as the old one's are exposed as distortions and delusions. This is easy to do, since the real goal of these fantasies are not really about helping humans--or the planet; they are rationalizations to exert control and dominance.

[TonyV]

Global warming has now been changed to 'Global Climate Change' because the scientist in the 1980's that did the study that started the whole mess used flawed data. The study has not been able to be replicated by the scientific community. Now, because the earth has gone through a cooling trend for the last decade, they've coined the phrase 'global climate change.'

It is nothing more than a front to push through 'Cap and Trade'. Another way for governments to abuse their power to overtax business. Copenhagen fruitcakes that hate the U.S. are pushing this agenda so other countries can cash in on our manufacturing and agricultural strengths.

How did Ford react when the Mayor's STAR program implemented fines for pollution? How do you think they will react when they are taxed for environmental credits in the U.S.? More jobs will be moved to Mexico and other countries with less taxation.

This agenda will only cause many more jobs in the U.S. to be lost in those areas. It would shock me that anyone associated with the protection of those U.S. jobs(UAW and other Unions) would push 'Global Climate Change' as an agenda.....................

[bo862]

ktpking
This is a more recent article on the one you linked, almost a followup.

www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127011.500-arctic-meltdown-is-a-threat-to-humanity.html


In short is says that it is moving faster than what they predicted it would from 06 to 09.

[kessinger]

I don't know how i missed replying to this.

But, polar, I am not a full blown believer in clima change either. I am a believer in hedging my bets, and the fact of the matter is dirty energy generators/coal are now completly made in china. So going green may give us a better chance of making jobs than "stay the course" since china makes the power generators in coal burning plants. For all you conspiracy theorists out there it also helps our security since the coal burning plants are much more tied into the web, and if you have read about our security risks there, it is soemthing to worry about.

If you want to see what IS man made enviroment problems see how much mercury is in tuna now as compared to our childhood. When they encourgage people to watch how much fish/mercury they take in we are definatly changing things.

My post was more on Mr. Beck. We have seen again and again how he says one thing when he's on his show and another when he is off it.....AKA his rant about how bad American healthcare is. He is quite entertaining, but many think what he speaks is the next best thing to the word of God and that is kinda scary.