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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Mar 2, 2010 21:29:20 GMT -5
Harry Reid (D-ouche) could end Bunning's blockade of spending bill in an eyeblink by just bringing the bill to the floor for a vote. So why doesn't he?
Why does Harry Reid hate the unemployed?
Why does Harry Reid hate the unemployed? Why does he want people to starve?
Why does Harry Reid hate highway projects? Why does he want people to tear up their cars hitting potholes?
It’s true. The evidence is in the Senate on the floor right now.
Jim Bunning does not want to vote for the unemployment extension plus highway bill without knowing where the money is coming from. He has, consequently, objected to unanimous consent for passage.
All Harry Reid has to do is bring the bill to the floor for an actual vote. All he needs is 51 votes for this, unlike the health care bill.
Can Harry Reid not get 51 Democrats to fund unemployment benefits? That’s all he needs. But he won’t bring the bill up for an actual vote. He wants all 100 Senators to go along with it.
That won’t happen.
So Harry Reid is holding the unemployed hostage for a photo-op. It’s like the President bringing reporters along to take pictures of the coffins unloading at Dover Air Force Base — crass and political, but devoid of substance.
Why does Harry Reid hate the unemployed so much that he’d hold them hostage for a photo-op?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 2, 2010 22:23:27 GMT -5
It's simple...Harry Reid is a complete jackass. I can't wait until he loses his seat...no chance of him winning.
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Post by ktpelec on Mar 3, 2010 8:52:54 GMT -5
Jim Bunning also pointed out that the REPs did the same thing during the previous 8 years of administration, starting a war the U.S. could not pay for, ect...
Everybody wants to balance the budget but, they also don't want the cuts to come out of the programs they are involved with. In a country as big as ours with so much "Freedom" and varied intrests, whats important to the people of Kentucky may not matter to other parts of our great country.
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Post by ktpking on Mar 3, 2010 10:41:25 GMT -5
Jim Bunning also pointed out that the REPs did the same thing during the previous 8 years of administration, starting a war the U.S. could not pay for, ect... Everybody wants to balance the budget but, they also don't want the cuts to come out of the programs they are involved with. In a country as big as ours with so much "Freedom" and varied intrests, whats important to the people of Kentucky may not matter to other parts of our great country. I hear that shit all the time that Bush went to war. Congress makes that decision. Congress voted to go to war. Congress could have voted not to go to war. |
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Post by ktpking on Mar 3, 2010 11:13:05 GMT -5
I'm glad we have people like Bunning in office. Unemployment, welfare, passport, food stamps, section 8 and all the other government(my fucking taxes) paid for bullshit is not ment to be a lifelong benifit. Short term to get back in the working class. I'm so sick of repeat people with their hand out all the time wanting something for nothing. The I want this but I don't want to work for it. If you cut my check off I'll threatin your office bullshit. I hope he catches those pieces of shit that threated him and lock them away for good. Then they can get their free ride in the poke. 3 hot's and a cot. Makes me want to throw up. I see job openings all the time, not the best paying job but, something to get a steady check coming in. Hell it's a lot easier to go to your mail box and open it up to find a good ole government check coming in and be able to watch Maury in the morning in your underwear scratching your nuts wondering if he is or is not the daddy. Fuck looking for a job. My brother-n-law owns a concrete buisness, mainly pouring driveways and patios. He tells me he can't keep people. They work one day and he never sees them again. Pays em 10.00 an hour. Sure it's dirty lot's of bending and heavy at times but, it's a job. Something to have while looking for a better job.
Shit, I need a haircut. Where is the local government hair salon? Man, my brakes are squealin, where is the local government auto shop? Damn, my roof is leaking, where is the government home improvement center. Hell, I need something to do, where is the government theater?
My balls hurt!! Why? Because people that don't want to do shit keeps kicking me in them!!! I can only work so much to pay so many people's free ride.
I could get laid off tommrow. I promise you this I will have my boots on the ground looking for work the next day. I have been laid off before and I'm sure with this economy I'll get it very soon. Times are bad I know that. Blame this and past administration's we have . We send all this aid to other nations when our American citizens are hungry on our soil. They are trying to pass a health care bill that will bankrupt America as we know it. Obama's wife is wanting to spend 10 billion dollars for obesity. WTF!!! Quit eating so much junk and excersise!! That freaking simple. Gotta go throw up now. I need to make sure I go to work to pay all the life long welfare fucks their wages.
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Post by ktpelec on Mar 3, 2010 11:13:42 GMT -5
Jim Bunning also pointed out that the REPs did the same thing during the previous 8 years of administration, starting a war the U.S. could not pay for, ect... Everybody wants to balance the budget but, they also don't want the cuts to come out of the programs they are involved with. In a country as big as ours with so much "Freedom" and varied intrests, whats important to the people of Kentucky may not matter to other parts of our great country. I hear that shit all the time that Bush went to war. Congress makes that decision. Congress voted to go to war. Congress could have voted not to go to war. No where in my post did I say "Bush", or "Shit". I said "previous 8 years of Republican administration". Jim Bunning, a memeber of Congress, had no problem voting YES, along with many from both parties, to spend money on a war we could not afford. In my opinion another example of how both parties are guilty of over spending. |
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Post by ktpking on Mar 3, 2010 11:15:29 GMT -5
I hear that shit all the time that Bush went to war. Congress makes that decision. Congress voted to go to war. Congress could have voted not to go to war. No where in my post did I say "Bush", or "Shit". I said "previous 8 years of Republican administration". Jim Bunning is a memeber of Congress that voted YES, along with many from both parties, to spend money on a war we could not afford. In my opinion another example of how both parties are guilty of over spending. Come on Ktpelec, who gets the blame for starting the Iraq war? |
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Post by ktpelec on Mar 3, 2010 11:35:45 GMT -5
I don't "blame" anyone other than the American people. All of us were shocked after 9/11 and wanted somebodys ass for it. But we went in half cocked and didn't relize the size of the problem until it was too late, now we're paying dearly for it.
The facts on programs such as Welfare and Food stamps are out there, they are only temporary programs meant for people that trully need the help. There are lots of Americans that aren't able-bodied like us and will never be able to join the "Working Class" and there always will be. Are thier people taking advantage of these programs? Yes, because there is always some loop hole in everything.
Passport is a document you need to have before traveling out of the country. I don't know how that fits in. LOL
Does your brother in-law pay $10 an hour before taxes? Or is he cheating the rest of us by paying under the table and not paying taxes? LOL
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Post by ktpking on Mar 3, 2010 14:03:38 GMT -5
I don't "blame" anyone other than the American people. All of us were shocked after 9/11 and wanted somebodys ass for it. But we went in half cocked and didn't relize the size of the problem until it was too late, now we're paying dearly for it. The facts on programs such as Welfare and Food stamps are out there, they are only temporary programs meant for people that trully need the help. There are lots of Americans that aren't able-bodied like us and will never be able to join the "Working Class" and there always will be. Are thier people taking advantage of these programs? Yes, because there is always some loop hole in everything. Passport is a document you need to have before traveling out of the country. I don't know how that fits in. LOL
Does your brother in-law pay $10 an hour before taxes? Or is he cheating the rest of us by paying under the table and not paying taxes? LOLLOLOLOLOL? I'm not catching the humor.....  Passport: www.passporthealthplan.com/Good try at some bad humor I guess.  LOLOLOL? Next question about the pay. I'll put it in your code. LOLOLOLOLO? I'm trying to see the humor in that one but I can't. He takes the taxes out of the 10 hr. Not a temporary position. I guess for shits and giggles since you must have a mouse in your pocket. With all the LOLOLO you are doing. He does not have a retirement plan or life or health insurance plan. Workman's comp insurance is provided because he is a buisness owner. Cost of that is crazy. He does provide people who want to work a job. As far as people not being able bodied to work. There are a rare few that can't. I'm not going to list the specifics. The majority is they are just lazy fucking bottom feeders that won't work. |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Mar 3, 2010 14:07:11 GMT -5
I can see how they get where they are...after about two weeks of sitting on my ass drawing UI/Sub, I have no desire to go back into that hell hole. But once I do, I feel so much better...physically and mentally.
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Post by ktpking on Mar 3, 2010 14:10:09 GMT -5
I don't "blame" anyone other than the American people. All of us were shocked after 9/11 and wanted somebodys ass for it. But we went in half cocked and didn't relize the size of the problem until it was too late, now we're paying dearly for it. The facts on programs such as Welfare and Food stamps are out there, they are only temporary programs meant for people that trully need the help. There are lots of Americans that aren't able-bodied like us and will never be able to join the "Working Class" and there always will be. Are thier people taking advantage of these programs? Yes, because there is always some loop hole in everything. Passport is a document you need to have before traveling out of the country. I don't know how that fits in. LOL Does your brother in-law pay $10 an hour before taxes? Or is he cheating the rest of us by paying under the table and not paying taxes? LOL I got to answer this one... How can you blame the American people? Congress is the one's that voted to go to war. Not the American people. Sure I was pissed, still am. This is why we have agencies like the CIA, FBI and other departments we don't know anything about to get the right intelligence to make the right decisions. How about the American people that clearly does not want Government run health care. Look at any poll you want. Government or should I say Democrats want that so bad they can taste it. How about all the bailouts wither automotive or banking, the American people claerly did not want their tax money going for any of this. Yet government writes them a blank check.. Guess what we are so far in the whole the only way out is HIGHER TAXES........ |
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Post by ktpelec on Mar 3, 2010 14:29:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I have angered you with my postings, I did not mean to. I just like to point out that there are often many sides to very complex problems. Anything dealing with 350 Million Americans is complex, and getting more so everyday.
Congress are representatives of the American people. That is thier job, to make decisions about things that concern ALL Americans. I am not always happy with thier decisions but I couldn't imagine the anarchy our society would have without some sort of leadership. I believe there should be term limits and campain finance laws to prevent the "leader for life" situation we are in now.
Passport is not a Government program like Medicare or Medicade. It is an HMO, similar to Humana. They are in the business to make money just like everyone else.
Taxes will always go up, I don't see any other way when we let the population of this country continue to grow so fast. The population of the U.S. has doubled since the mid-70's, yet our natural resources and manufacturing capability (jobs) has not. If left unchecked our population will double again in an even shorter time span. Basic foods and water will become way more valuable than anything else.
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Post by ktpelec on Mar 3, 2010 15:49:04 GMT -5
Ktpking I commend your Bro-in-law for operating his own business, that is an endevor that is very complicated to say the least. How many women would consider a job pouring concrete? Very few I would guess, so basically that is a mans job. Would he consider a man with a disability, or someone over weight? Probably not, it would be a burden on his other employees. Is there any chance for advancement? Would a person be making $12 to $15 an hour after a year or two? It sounds like a great entry level job for a young man, which really narrows the type of person that would be looking for that type of employment.
I agree that things are very unfair in this society we live in, but a fair and just world doesn't exist with humans in it.
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Post by myviewmatters on Mar 3, 2010 22:53:04 GMT -5
Maybe we should read his explanation in its entirety instead of rallying behind talking points:
<i>“Last week I objected to the Majority Leader's request for unanimous consent to pass a 30 day extension of several expiring programs that was not paid for. I offered to pass the exact same bill that was paid for and unfortunately he objected to my request.
Instead, the Leader decided to press ahead with a bill that adds to the debt and violates the principle of PAYGO everyone claims to care about. Just over a month ago, the Majority in the Senate passed PAYGO legislation that supposedly says we are going to pay for what we spend. I support that idea, but I knew at the time the legislation would be ignored. And it has been.
Barely one week after President Obama signed the PAYGO law into effect, the Majority Leader proposed a bill that was not paid for. That bill passed and added 10 billion dollars to the deficit.
That is 10 billion dollars our children and grandchildren will have to pay for. That is 10 billion dollars on top of a 14 trillion dollar national debt. After passing 10 billion dollars more debt on to future generations, the Majority Leader proposed to pass another bill to add another 10 billion dollars to the debt. That is when I said “enough is enough”. We cannot keep adding to the debt and passing the buck to generations of future workers and taxpayers.
As we all know, the national debt has grown at a record pace in recent years. A large part of that has been as a result of downturns in the economy a decade ago and then during the last few years. But increased government spending has been a major factor too.
Over the last few days, several Senators on the other side of the aisle have blamed Republican spending for the debt and asked why we did not pay for things when we were in charge. Well, Mr. President, they have a point. I wish we would have spent less and paid for more of it when we were in charge. There are some votes I wish I could have back, and I am sure many of my colleagues on this side of the aisle feel the same way. But it is not fair to blame Republican spending for all of the drastic increases in our national debt. Our side has not controlled the Congress for more than three years, and the current Congress is spending more and faster than ever before.
For example, last year the Majority pushed through a so-called stimulus bill followed quickly by an omnibus spending bill that contributed to the government ending the year 1.4 trillion dollars in the red – the largest one-year deficit ever.
Clearly, we are not headed in the right direction. I do not want to turn this into a partisan debate, because it is not a partisan issue. I only make these points to show that neither side has clean hands, and what matters is that we get our spending problems under control.
As every struggling family knows, we cannot solve a debt problem by spending more. We must get our debt problem under control, and there is no better time than now. That is why I have been down here demanding that this bill be paid for. I support the programs in the bill we are discussing, and if the extension of those programs were paid for I would gladly support the bill. The unemployment rate in my state is well over ten percent right now. Many rural families get their television through satellite providers in Kentucky.
Well more than half of our state is bordered by rivers, and flood insurance is vital to the people that live near those borders or any of the major and minor rivers in the state. In fact, I wrote the law that enacted the current version of the flood insurance program, so I care about it deeply.
I am concerned about all the other programs in this bill as well, as is every other member of this body. That is all the more reason to pay for this bill. If we cannot pay for a bill that all 100 Senators support, how can we tell the American people with a straight face that we will ever pay for anything? That is what Senators say they want, and that is what the American people want. They want us to get our budget in order just like they have to get their budgets in order.
But that is not what the Majority is doing. So tonight, tomorrow, and on every spending bill in the future we will see whether they mean business about controlling our debt, or if it is just words.
We will see if PAYGO has any teeth or not. Tonight I am offering a substitute amendment that pays for these important programs with Democrat ideas. Tomorrow I will offer amendments to offset the longer term extenders bill that was on the floor earlier today. And I will be back on future spending bills demanding that they be paid for so future generations of Americans will not be burdened with our over spending.
As I said, my amendment pays for this bill with Democrat ideas.
Mr. President, the ten-year cost of extending these programs for one month is 10.26 billion dollars. The offset I am offering will more than pay for this cost. And the offset should be familiar to many. It has been proposed by Senator Baucus in his substitute amendment to the longer-term extension bill. It was also proposed in the Obama Administration's budget.
The offset would prevent black liquor – which is a byproduct of the pulp and paper process – from being eligible for the cellulosic bio-fuels producer tax credit. This will save the Treasury almost 24 billion dollars over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation. As I said, this will more than pay for the cost of the bill and there will be almost 14 billion dollars left over.
Under the PAYGO rules, that almost 14 billion dollars will be available to be used to pay for the next bill that Congress passes. I think we all expect that the next bill will be the longer-term extension bill.
Some might say I am creating a 24 billion dollar hole in the next bill by using this offset now. That is not true. First, we are removing over 10 billion dollars in costs from that larger bill by enacting the one-month extensions now, and we are also making 14 billion dollars available for that bill. And Members on this side of the aisle, including myself, have offered and will offer ways to completely pay for the cost of that more expensive, longer-term extension bill.
This pay-for is a proposal made by the Majority and I expect every one of them to support my amendment. Anyone who does not should be prepared to answer why the Senate does not have to make the tough decisions to balance the government's budget, while every American family does. We must bring an end to the out of control spending, and there is no better time than now.
I urge my colleagues to join me in saying “enough!” and restoring some discipline to Washington. I urge everyone to support this amendment. I reserve the balance of my time.”
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Post by ktpking on Mar 3, 2010 23:16:05 GMT -5
Ktpelec, I enjoy talking with you. You have not angered me at all. You have a very good view on everything I have read that you post. I commend you for that. I wish I could be more forgiving but, I have seen so many people abuse the system. I'm all for helping people. I want people to try to help themselves first. At least try.
As far as my brother in laws concrete buisness. It's a tough job. I helped him out "once" on a job he needed done. It was a new construction home that needed a driveway poured. The prep work was back breaking and then once the concrete starts pouring it's hell on wheels. I'm too old for that shit any more. I'm not going to lie or sugar coat it. He is a mother Fu**er to work for. I told him to cool off on my ass or I would leave him to to it by himself. Funny thing I was doing it for free. I did owe him a favor he only charged me for the materials on my driveway when we had our house built. I guess once you learn to do it I suppose he would back off a little and be better to work for. It's not a job for everyone. I would do it if I had to. No promotion to be had. He is the top dog and my sister does the books and payroll. Well gotta go.
Ktpelec, have a good day. It really is good talking to ya.
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Post by ktpelec on Mar 4, 2010 7:45:22 GMT -5
I enjoy this Forum very much! Thanks to Scott for providing it, and to everyone that takes the time to contribute.
I agree with most of your views on here Ktpking as well as others that post here. I admit I often try to look at or point out the opposite side on difficult or complex issues, and many times I have been guilty of "stirring the pot". Please don't take my posts personnaly, they are not meant to anger anyone.
I hope to retire here at Ford myself. Ktpking, at my age (48) I could not imagine doing that type of labor every day. I couldn't imagine sitting at a desk in a cubicle either. Working for a relative would probably be the worst though!
Have great day Ktpking, your fellow UAW worker, Ktpelec.
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Post by kessinger on Mar 8, 2010 18:07:01 GMT -5
The judgement on Bunning is a little early. They all agreed to PAYGO and I understand why he said WTF? BUT, lets see what he does vote yes on going forward. It is also hard for me to view him as a hero since the national debt has exploded while he has been in office and this is the first time we have heard him make a HARD stand on spending. Just a couple of months ago he squeezed in a ton of pork for the KY state we all read about in the paper. So lets not pretend he is a fiscal conservative over one stand in his long career. He is a pig at the trough like the rest of them. He is also about to hit the lottery since I am sure he will soon be a consultant for some coal company.
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Post by kessinger on Mar 8, 2010 18:14:02 GMT -5
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LOLOLOL? 