HBO says things turning around

[marcus]

Unemployment goes from 9.9 to 9.7 obama says this is a sign things are turning around but he doesn't tell you they are all (97percent)census worker jobs!!!!
More government jobs at a cost of 14.5 BILLION just to count people what the hell is wrong with this dumb ass.

Our GDP a year is not enough to cover what the piece of shit is spending a year!!Wake up people this is insane.

[dowhat]

Arnold Schwarzenegger, California's Republican governor, defended Democratic President Barack Obama's stimulus plan on Sunday, saying 150,000 new jobs were created in his state thanks to the legislation.

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At a conservative gathering in Washington this week, former presidential candidate Mitt Romney blasted the $787 billion stimulus bill and asserted it did not create any new jobs.

The California governor, asked about the comments on the ABC news program "This Week," said many Republican politicians were railing against the program while seeking stimulus funds for their own districts.

"You have a lot of the Republicans running around and pushing back on the stimulus money and saying this doesn't create any new jobs," Schwarzenegger said.

"Then they go out and they do the photo ops and they are posing with the big check and they say 'Isn't this great?'"

The Obama administration says the stimulus has saved or created as many as 2 million jobs. Private economists widely agree that it staved off a far deeper economic contraction.

State governors are in Washington this week for their annual gathering and will meet Obama on Monday as both parties gear up for congressional elections in November.

"It's kind of politics," Schwarzenegger said of the claims by Republicans that no jobs flowed from the stimulus program.

He said teaching and infrastructure-related jobs were among those created in California. (Editing by John O'Callaghan)

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He said TEACHING AND INFASTRUCTURE JOBS WERE CREATED!!!

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

I will try to keep it simple, not (see spot run,see spot jump) simple ,but simple enough for even Democrats(retards) and those Republicans(in name only)...... can understand......specially those that believe government can "create" jobs.

Consider three people living in an island, running their own tiny economy. Bob, Sarah and Charlie are all farmers who grow their own food, making an honest living by working 8 hours a day to create the food, clothing and shelter they need to survive.

One day, Charlie decides he wants to be the Governor of the island. He tells Bob and Sarah that as Governor, he'll bring wealth and prosperity to them both. Initially, that sounds good, so Bob and Sarah agree to elect him Governor.

Then it turns out that the Governor is busy governing things on the island (i.e. deciding what everybody else should do), so he has no time to grow his own food. So he initiates a 50% tax on the productivity of Bob and Sarah, confiscating their food, clothing and resources in order to provide those items to himself without actually having to work for them. (This is a key function of government: To confiscate wealth from those who really work and redistribute it to those who pretend to work.)

Now, Bob and Sarah each have a choice: They can either work twice as much in order to pay their tax and still have enough to survive, or they can quit working altogether and hope to get aid from the government.

Sarah decides to work twice as much, so she starts working 16 hours a day, earning enough to pay the taxes to the Governor while still having some remaining food to feed herself and her family. Bob, on the other hand, decides he doesn't want to work 16 hours a day and would rather do nothing and apply to the Governor for "public assistance."

So now on this island of three people, where each of the three people used to work to feed themselves, only one person is working (Sarah), and the other two are living off the wealth that's being confiscated from her efforts.

One day Charlie, the Governor, says he has a solution! He says he will write a series of IOUs to Sarah in exchange for an extra portion of her food and other belongings. Using that currency borrowed from Sarah, he says he will "create a new job" for Bob and "end unemployment on the island."

Sarah reluctantly agrees and turns over the fruits of her labor to the Governor, who injvents a job for Bob. "Bob," he says, "We need to build a bridge across this island!" And with the wave of his hand, he puts Bob to work creating a bridge (that nobody needs) while getting paid by wealth that has been confiscated from the only person on the island still working (Sarah).

So now we have ONE person actually doing productive work, a second person living off the confiscated wealth of that person (the Governor), and a third person working a useless job that's now paid for by the first person as well. This means we have ONE person supporting THREE. And while the island is at "full employment," two out of three people are actually doing jobs that don't materially contribute to the wealth and abundance of island's residents.

And the best part? Guess who gets to work even more to pay back the IOUs that the Governor traded with Sarah? Well Sarah, of course, because those IOUs are public debt paid back by taxpayers.

The problem on this little island is NOT that insufficient money is being spent on an economic stimulus program; the problem is that the island suffers from too many bureaucrats and too much debt spending. The solution? Fire the Governor and the government worker, shrink the size of government and get everybody back to working their own gardens, growing their own food and supporting their own families. Productivity on the island would triple, and people would have to get back to doing honest, productive work instead of living like Fucking parasites off the efforts of taxpayers.

Government creates no net increase in jobs through debt spending. It only confiscates wealth from those who are willing to work and justifies its own wealth confiscation efforts by pretending to offer solutions to the very people it is stealing from.

What Fucking Idiots!

[dowhat]

Your story is cute and your attempt was noble! but we dont live on a island of 3 people! try 307,006,550 and counting! Far to complex and way to many people! Yeah the system is flawed and it could be better ( in a perfect world) but that does not exsist period.
I think there are in the neighborhood of about 2.6 million jobs under payrol of the US government! Yeah lets fire them all??
would Ford keep LAP in Louisville without the States help? (state funding, tax incentives etc...)
did the state use our tax dollar to save our jobs? something to think about!
Tax credits? do they hurt a business or can they encourage business and growth? Keyword is encourage! growth meaning JOBS!
So to say government can't create or encourage jobs and growth is without a doubt wrong and just plain ignorant!

and I quote from Arnold: It's kind of politics," Schwarzenegger said of the claims by Republicans that no jobs flowed from the stimulus program.

He said teaching and infrastructure-related jobs were among those created in California.
Keyword created!

[jobs1stb4polarbear]

Here we go again......


Although greatly simplified, this little scenario demonstrates the ridiculousness of anyone who believes government can "create" jobs. Government creates no net increase in jobs through debt spending. It only confiscates wealth from those who are willing to work and justifies its own wealth confiscation efforts by pretending to offer solutions to the very people it is stealing from.

In some cases, this is justifiably important: You need schoolteachers, bridges, and roads to run a successful society. Cops and firemen, court judges, and international delegates are necessary, too. But remember this: 85% of government money is spent on just three things: War, Disease and Debt. That's where most of your tax dollars actually go. Only about 15% of the money you send Uncle Sam goes to pay for anything useful. Most of it is just wasted away by a government that believes its debt problem can be solved by more debt spending.

Total U.S. Federal Budget for 2008: $2.9 trillion

If you look at where U.S. government spending actually goes, more than 85% is spent on these three things:

1) WAR: Department of Defense ($481.4 billion) + War on Terror ($145.2 billion) + Dept. of Veterans Affairs ($39.4 billion) = $666 billion

2) DISEASE: Medicare ($386 billion) + Medicaid ($209 billion) = $595 billion

3) DEBT: Debt to the people: Social Security ($608 billion), Welfare ($324 billion) and Interest on National Debt ($261 billion) = $1,193 billion

Combined spending on War, Disease and Debt: $2,454 billion ($2.5 trillion), which is 85% of the total expenditures by the federal government....

Got info from..... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget,_2008

Obama got $800+ billion in new IOUs and use that money to "stimulate" the economy. This is equivalent to confiscating about $5,000 from each and every taxpayer in America today (depending on the number of taxpayers you use for the calculation). It's the equivalent of saying to Sarah that she needs to turn over all her garden food for the next two months in order to "stimulate" the island economy. And how will that economy be stimulated? By giving that food to people who believe they are entitled to more abundance than Sarah without actually having to work for it. Before long, Bob will be riding in a private limo and flying in a private jet, complaining to the Governor that his industry of bridge building provides 1/3 of the jobs of the entire economy, and he needs more money or the island economy will collapse!

I'm not sure America can survive much more of this debt-spending "stimulus." The U.S. economy has, in large part, become illusory, propped up by yet more bailout money being spent to create the illusion of meaningful jobs. The idea of saving money has been abandoned in favor of endless spending at both the consumer level and the national level. If this philosophy does not change, the financial outcome will be disastrous.

America needs more savings, not more spending. It needs to get the government off people's backs, not create even more government to centrally plan yet more "stimulus" programs paid for by confiscating wealth from the fast-shrinking pool of people still working private-sector jobs in America today.

[kessinger]

For the record he did say that the gains in jobs were mostly census. He said it on national television.

And does everyone know Wikapedia isnt a totaly reliable source? Notice the Edit key at the end of each section of their articles. I went to put Polar Bear as the UAW president from 2010-? but you have to log in to do it and i didn't feel like making an account. Just wanted everyone to know that Wiki is a great reference but you may want to double check the info.

[kessinger]

Marcus the census is required by the constitution. If all you right wingers keep trying to over ride the constitution we will lose our guns and free press........

[marcus]

I didnt say get rid of the census it just shouldnt cost near 15 billion to count us.Im for the constitution to bad most Rs and Ds arnt today.