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Post by marcus on Jun 30, 2010 18:40:46 GMT -5
Im tired of being told that islam is a religion of peace,when everyday I can read dozens of stories of muslim men killing their sister,wives and daughters for their family "honor" tired of muslims rioting over some slight offense of muslims,of muslims killing christians and jews because they arent believiers or muslims burning schools for girls,of muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death!of muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls all in the name of allah because the Quran tells them to.
Sick of being told we should except other peoples cultures when saudi arabia use our oil money to fund mosques and islamic schools to preach hate in america while no group is allowed to fund a church in saudi arabia.
And to top all this crap off there are building a monster Mosque at Ground zero in New york,what the HELL is going on I hope new york people burn it to the GROUND!!
We dont want to hear there stupid bells to call them to pray at ground zero what a slap in our face! Wake up people PC is killing our country,where is our commen sense?
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Post by marcus on Jun 30, 2010 18:42:01 GMT -5
The opening date for this SHIT HOUSE shall live in infamy: Sept. 11, 2011. The 10th anniversary of the day a hole was punched in the city's heart.
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 1, 2010 5:57:56 GMT -5
It applies to every religion, throughout history entire civilizations have been wiped out in the name of religion. The Crusades are a good example of Christians doing thier part. There are extremists in every religion, from the suicide bombers to the TV evangelists bilking grandmothers out of thier savings. They prey on anyone that doesn't share thier exact beliefs. I am tired of all religions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 9:47:44 GMT -5
I have yet to see, in this day and age, groups of Christians going around killing in the name of god or Jesus Christ. Killing innocent children and by standards like the cowards that islamist really are. Even the mentally insane in our own country haven't killed a quarter of what the islamist have. Like it or not or founding fathers chiseled our country on the belief of God. If you don't like that, then move to California with all the other fruits and nuts. No I'm not religious by any means, but I do have my own beliefs that I wont go into.
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 1, 2010 11:07:17 GMT -5
Religious based killings happen all over the world every day, Muslims killing Christians, Christians killing Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Sikhs, ect... Have you ever heard of the Salem witch hunts? that was Christians. I am not defending any religion. I respect everyones individual beliefs, I also expect that they respect mine. Heres a link to World religion statistics, www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 12:47:36 GMT -5
Religious based killings happen all over the world every day, Muslims killing Christians, Christians killing Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Sikhs, ect... Have you ever heard of the Salem witch hunts? that was Christians. I am not defending any religion. I respect everyones individual beliefs, I also expect that they respect mine. Heres a link to World religion statistics, www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.htmlDo you have any info on Christians doing Jihads in this day and age? Sure our past "was" barbaric but the muslims go beyond barbaric with their tactics in this day and age. |
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Post by kessinger on Jul 1, 2010 12:50:15 GMT -5
So how do you want this fixed? Sue them? Wouldn't any judge that ruled that they couldn't build a mosque there be and activist judge since the constitution says:
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So if you don't want activists judges, then how do you fix it?
My point being, everyone has times they want an activist judge. Not just the Dems.
For my own personal belief. How dumb can the builders of this mosque be? They are basicly posting a reminder of 911 to Americans and then will wonder why so many hate them. They are perpetuating a circle of hate. We have some muslims that work here. All fo them I know have been good people, so I don't believe most Muslims are bad. But, the ones that are building this mosque sure seem to be, or at least realy stupid. They most likley will get beat up and then be seen crying on TV wondering why.
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 1, 2010 13:17:09 GMT -5
Religious based killings happen all over the world every day, Muslims killing Christians, Christians killing Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Sikhs, ect... Have you ever heard of the Salem witch hunts? that was Christians. I am not defending any religion. I respect everyones individual beliefs, I also expect that they respect mine. Heres a link to World religion statistics, www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.htmlDo you have any info on Christians doing Jihads in this day and age? Sure our past "was" barbaric but the muslims go beyond barbaric with their tactics in this day and age. Look at Nigeria, India, Croatia, there are religious killings all over the world, every minute of the day. There are extremists in every religion. I believe this country was founded on religious FREEDOM, our forefathers were persecuted by the Church of England. Do you want to persecute everyone that doesn't believe as you do? If so then you are no different than them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 13:57:29 GMT -5
If your religion preaches hate, descrimination and damming America, then yes, they should be shut down. Oh, but wait, Obama attended that church. BTW, the countries you listed Ktpelc, there seem to be less then 3% Christian populus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country |
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 1, 2010 14:59:46 GMT -5
If your religion preaches hate, descrimination and damming America, then yes, they should be shut down. Oh, but wait, Obama attended that church. BTW, the countries you listed Ktpelc, there seem to be less then 3% Christian populus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_countryI just listed a few countries where people are killed every day over religion. What does the percentage have to do with it? Is it any more justified because it's only a few thousand people? Just because someone is Muslim doesn't make them a religious extremist, as well as if someone is a Christian doesn't make them a saint either. Killing in the name of religion is wrong no matter what the faith. Would you at least agree to that? I stand by my original statement, There are extremists in every religion. |
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Post by marcus on Jul 1, 2010 16:35:54 GMT -5
I can not understand how some of you guys can even try to defend Muslims.Your only defense is well this other group used to do it.
Its not just a few muslim extremists its MILLIONS OF THEM and WHOLE countries of them.What the crap are you guys americans or what?
kessinger I understand what you mean about the freedom thing but come of lets have some common sense.Its a slap in the face to those that died and thats why they are putting it there no other reason.I say F them.
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 1, 2010 17:03:31 GMT -5
Look at my posts, I plainly say "I am not defending any religion" and I don't . I just stated that the Muslims aren't the only extremists.
I do have some Canadian friends that are Muslim, they go to movies, enjoy meals, fish and enjoy water sports, they are good honest people. I cannot stereotype all Muslims, it is the second largest religion next to Christianity.
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Post by marcus on Jul 1, 2010 17:38:23 GMT -5
We have MILLIONs of these muslims killing people its not just a few of them.Its whole countries that do this and treat women like slaves and so much more.
If it was just a few nutcases then ok its just a few nuts.But theres way to many of them doing this.Its hard for me to think of it as just a few extreme ones when its millions.Id like to see them dead.
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 1, 2010 19:03:07 GMT -5
There are millions of people all over the world, of different faiths, that are appalled at the culture of the U.S. Permeated with violence, murder, sex, ponography, prostitution, child molestation ect....there is a whole lot about our way of life that angers people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 7:54:19 GMT -5
There are millions of people all over the world, of different faiths, that are appalled at the culture of the U.S. Permeated with violence, murder, sex, ponography, prostitution, child molestation ect....there is a whole lot about our way of life that angers people. WTF???!!! Our country is so bad?  Have you heard of China and Thailand's forced prostitution and killing civilians to harvest organs??? Have your heard in Kenya how they disfigure little girls genitalia with a rusty knife? There are many more countries that do more fucked up things then we do. Yes you are defending the other countries and putting ours down. You never have any thing positive to say about your own fucking country, Do us all a favor and get the fuck out! |
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 2, 2010 9:03:37 GMT -5
Good morning Anal, how are you today? You seem to take my posts the wrong way. I never said our country was worse than any other, just that our society has its many problems also. I will never put our country down, and I have said many positive things about it you just never acknowledge them. Why are you so hateful towards me? I have never posted derogatory comments about you or used that kind of language. I am extending an olive branch hoping that as fellow Americans and union auto workers we could have a discussion about world issues without name calling and vulgarity. Is that possible?
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 2, 2010 9:37:45 GMT -5
I appologize again, to Anal and anyone else that I might have offended on this Forum. I hope that just presenting a different point of view on here that we can all broaden our interpetation of other peoples views. There are 350 million Americans and growing, thats a lot of different views and ideals. Don't be surprised if not everyone has the same basic philosophy that you have. Again I extend this olive branch hoping that we can have friendly open disscussions on world events without anger and name calling.  www.herbwisdom.com/herb-olive-leaf.html |
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Post by jobs1stb4polarbear on Jul 2, 2010 10:12:28 GMT -5
Ktpelect and many others, mainly Democrats suffer from severe neurosis, a term that has gone out of favor in contemporary psychiatry, but which very adequately describes the kind of thinking that runs rampant in these days of political correctness.....a form of deranged thinking designed to protect the individual from the awareness of imminent danger (think of the paralysis of deer in headlights). Specifically, it is a type of neurotic defense mechanism that serves to deny reality........We went through this during the bush years .....
It is called psychological displacement, and it is an attempt to avoid an unpleasant and frightening truth by substituting something (or someone) that is less threatening. Bush Derangement Syndrome("the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency -- nay -- the very existence of George W. Bush.") a form of psychological displacement; the kind of thinking that maintains that Christianity and Judaism are just as violent as Islam is a form of displacement; the irrational fear that Christians intend to foist a theocracy on the U.S. is also a form of psychological displacement.
Displacement: The separation of emotion from its real object and redirection of the intense emotion toward someone or something that is less offensive or threatening in order to avoid dealing directly with what is frightening or threatening.....
Is that much to your liking Ktpelec? We have been trying to explain, better yet, show you and other Dems and yes some Reps....who the real enemy is...... but it has come to this....so here it goes.... Why dont you get your olive branch out of your ass and open your eyes.....and I can't believe you are friends with Canadians!
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Post by ktpelec on Jul 2, 2010 10:40:38 GMT -5
Good morning Polar, how are you today? I'm fine thank you! I would like to just make one point, I am registered as Independant, yes I guess thats kinda "on the fence" or "between a rock and a hard place" however you would like to put it. As far as religious views I fall into the 16% of the world catagory, thats having no religious views, I don't believe one way or the other. I respect your views and would like respect for mine, even if I don't have any!! LOL Yes, I didn't trust those darn Canadians at first. I was with my father when we first met them, and he is really "old school" Yet when the subject of fishing came up, and they gave us some great tips on catching Walleye he was friends with them for life! No matter what thier religious views! I guess it's all a matter of putting things into perspective.
I have agreed with you on many things, such as the polar bear issue, I am sorry they are in danger and that they may go the way of dinosour, and become extinct. Yet my family and I will contnue to use electricity, by way of burning coal, and enjoy our life style as long as possible.
Again I appologize if my posts have caused anger on your part, I didn't mean for them to. I look forward to future discussions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2010 11:25:53 GMT -5
Sorry to rant on you KTPelec, but after seeing how Hussein is going to throw even more of our tax dollars down the shitter on these illegals to become citizens (free health care and all on our dime) I have been pissed all day. Its no longer the land of the free and the brave. I dont know what the hell it is any more. How many illeagals will be flying the Red White and Blue one the 4th? Sorry again, and you can stay, just stay on Scotts side of the room, lol!
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Post by bo862 on Jul 2, 2010 17:02:21 GMT -5
They may as well have Obama dedicate the mosque to the muslims, while they are at it they can invite Osama as a guest speaker and present a white flag of surrender. I just can't believe that my nation has dedicated a religious symbol to the 12, or however many, a-holes at the very sight that they murdered 3k Americans. This is pathetic. If this doesn't tell the world that the US is friggin spineless I don't know what does. We better hope the mexicans don't figure it out or they may invade us.  |
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Post by marcus on Jul 2, 2010 19:16:56 GMT -5
jobs1stb4polarbear good post.I dont know what else to say to some of these people they just dont get it.
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Have you heard of China and Thailand's forced prostitution and killing civilians to harvest organs??? Have your heard in Kenya how they disfigure little girls genitalia with a rusty knife? There are many more countries that do more fucked up things then we do. Yes you are defending the other countries and putting ours down. You never have any thing positive to say about your own fucking country, Do us all a favor and get the fuck out!
