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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 12:05:00 GMT -5
I agree with myself all the time.  Bullwinkle = Catman! Lol! |
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Post by slipknot on Aug 27, 2010 16:51:37 GMT -5
Ua think KTP or LAP sucks, try building rice burners in Georgetown for awhile. Most of u winers wouldn't last a shift. U'd be leaving skid marks to return to the Blue Oval.
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Post by jmudd on Aug 28, 2010 21:57:19 GMT -5
the union rep were the best at lap ..... i am going back on the first bus!
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Post by JoePieper on Aug 29, 2010 16:30:44 GMT -5
the union rep were the best at lap ..... i am going back on the first bus! See ya!! Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. |
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Post by TonyV on Aug 29, 2010 17:06:03 GMT -5
I just love that expression! ;D
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Post by tightline on Sept 1, 2010 16:10:26 GMT -5
a good union has to be supported with a backbone
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Post by PUNISHER on Sept 1, 2010 17:31:12 GMT -5
i'll be on that bus with ya joe dirt..
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Post by pmooret on Sept 2, 2010 15:57:11 GMT -5
Somebody help me. Joe Bobnar is your plant manager and you have constant issues which apparently is par for the course. When Joe Bobnar was at LAP we didn't have constant issues which was par for the course for us. Yet everyone is happy with "well they can do that" and "they" generally refers to the company, thus in your case Joe Bobnar.
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Post by pmooret on Sept 2, 2010 16:13:58 GMT -5
LET ME CONTINUE....HIT THE REPLY BUTTON BY MISTAKE
Management has changed in your plant yet issues have not changed. The one thing that seems to be a constant here is the business as usual attitude of your union.
Hey folks, I'm a blonde and even I wouldn't swallow hook, line and sinker the line they've been dangling over your heads!!!
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Post by Jr on Sept 2, 2010 16:31:20 GMT -5
One word MOA........
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 2, 2010 17:26:21 GMT -5
Get ready Jr...MOA coming your way. I hear it's already a done deal with retool. I hope you guys can keep it from changing the atmosphere at LAP the way it has ruined KTP.
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Post by Jr on Sept 2, 2010 18:43:35 GMT -5
I will Fight that one tooth and NAIL!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by pmooret on Sept 3, 2010 0:01:44 GMT -5
Can someone reference where in the MOA does it say that you give up your health and safety rights, bosses can work, your wages will be paid at their discretion and acceptance letters do not have to be posted? |
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Post by JoePieper on Sept 3, 2010 0:22:45 GMT -5
It doesn't say any of that anywhere.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 3, 2010 0:40:07 GMT -5
LMAO...pmoore and I have got along so well throughout the years...and it's a post like that which represents why many of us will continue to fight. Without a rep to fight along side you, it is rough out here.
pmoore may remember something I used to do in the past and I am beginning to think it needs to be brought back out here.
I suggest everyone keep a blue highlight book with them at all times. Read it, learn it, make them follow it. Take out a black sharpie and on page 82 of the book...write the following very large:
THE COMPANY CAN DO WHATEVER THE COMPANY WANTS TO DO
And everytime you are wronged, reference page 82 of the contract book...which will confuse the hell out of them until you show them your book. It has a strange way of getting your point across.
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Post by pmooret on Sept 3, 2010 0:40:52 GMT -5
When a union rep gives you an answer don't take their word for gospel, make them show you the language in the contract to support their answer. If they have no supporting language and say this is the way we've always done it (past practice) just tell them that we use to lay our babies on their stomachs to sleep but that wasn't right either. Keep them on the hot seat, remember the squeaky wheel gets the grease. As far as pay issues (Scott), this is a legal issue. Get EEOC involved or even worst call the Courier-Journal. I can hit a button to order a product from across the ocean and have it delivered in three days but yet the company cannot hit a button and have your wages deposited into your account on the next pay period ALL THE WAY FROM MICHIGAN!!!!! The only way to get a MOA at LAP is to vote it in and since the last COA was overwhelmingly defeated I don't see the company embarrassing itself again, besides what are they going to use for leverage....a new product? |
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 3, 2010 0:49:59 GMT -5
I have everything documented...you have to know that. I keep copies of drots and take lots of notes.
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Post by pmooret on Sept 3, 2010 1:09:14 GMT -5
Scott, I may have spoke out of turn when I mentioned posting acceptance letters. I went to Scott Eskridge web site and found links for bid and acceptance letters. Is this web site fairly new, has it come about just since you complained about not seeing acceptance letters and are they posted in a timely manner? If so, then you folks are making progress and no one got fired!! Remember people, Rome wasn't built in a day....one issue at a time, see it through to the end, then move on to the next.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 3, 2010 1:40:08 GMT -5
Yeah, they started posting accept. letters after many complained. We are making shit happen.  Once I quoted the contract book, we started seeing letters. All good there. |
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Post by pmooret on Sept 3, 2010 1:52:39 GMT -5
I don't agree that this thread is KTP bashing, it is simply sharing information. Hopefully, what has proven successful at other plants can be mirrored at KTP to help resolve issues. Scott, is Eskridge web site new? Has it come about just since you have been there?
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Sept 3, 2010 2:49:56 GMT -5
It came about the same time Stone's was launched. Stone does a much better job of updating tho.
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Post by ktpschd on Sept 3, 2010 4:03:10 GMT -5
When I started this thread I needed a catchy header. So "KTP Bashing" must have done the trick. Over 2700 views and a multitude of posts and opinions. The common theme running throughout is not so much KTP's (management) failure, but the complete surrender of many of our contractual rights by our very own union. Is it their collusion with management or simply ignorance of the contract? Case in point: Last July one of my co-workers' brother passed away during shut-down. She called her rep and asked about bereavement pay. She was told, "Since you were already being paid, they would be NO bereavement pay." She let it pass believing her rep. When I heard that I was outraged at the ignorance of our rep! I called the union office and spoke with a skilled trades bargaining cm, who agreed it was WRONG! He contacted LR and she received THREE days personal time. And all it took was a simple call and a little knowledge of our contract. DON'T let the company bus run you over with a union rep behind the wheel!! Speak out and question answers that don't seem right. And if you see a wrong perpetrated against a fellow union member, don't stand idly by, get involved. The next time it WILL be you!
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Post by brizzel on Sept 3, 2010 9:31:22 GMT -5
Excellent post.
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Post by wplap on Sept 3, 2010 10:46:01 GMT -5
When I started this thread I needed a catchy header. So "KTP Bashing" must have done the trick. Over 2700 views and a multitude of posts and opinions. The common theme running throughout is not so much KTP's (management) failure, but the complete surrender of many of our contractual rights by our very own union. Is it their collusion with management or simply ignorance of the contract? Case in point: Last July one of my co-workers' brother passed away during shut-down. She called her rep and asked about bereavement pay. She was told, "Since you were already being paid, they would be NO bereavement pay." She let it pass believing her rep. When I heard that I was outraged at the ignorance of our rep! I called the union office and spoke with a skilled trades bargaining cm, who agreed it was WRONG! He contacted LR and she received THREE days personal time. And all it took was a simple call and a little knowledge of our contract. DON'T let the company bus run you over with a union rep behind the wheel!! Speak out and question answers that don't seem right. And if you see a wrong perpetrated against a fellow union member, don't stand idly by, get involved. The next time it WILL be you! This is downright atrocious! I know jackshit about the contract, I try to stay as uninvolved as possible, but even I know you get bereavement pay in this case. I know it wouldn't be very classy to list names of committee persons who are less than informed for the sake of info for the next election, but maybe we could start a poll. Something where we can list every union rep and a simple, "Are you satisfied? Yes or No" type poll. Maybe it will give them a little incentive to show up now and again. |
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Post by catman on Sept 3, 2010 11:48:19 GMT -5
Hey ktpschd, you are so wrong with your post. It is Not a contractual benefit to get paid breveament when u are on vacation. Find it in the contract and show us. Rosemarie use to do it for people that had good records and came to work. I do know first hand. I do agree that it should be paid though!
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Post by catman on Sept 3, 2010 11:51:18 GMT -5
Ktp doesn't`t have a committee person with the initials Ws
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Post by ktpschd on Sept 3, 2010 12:32:01 GMT -5
Wow catman...so you think Rosemary (a very lovely person) could just arbitrarily hand out bereavement money to all the good boys and girls?? Or give them extra days off because they "had good records"?? Again..Wow. I'll not burst your balloon of naivete with facts. Call a committe man and ask about "Bereavement". (Or have somone read it to you because it does contain some big words) As for the committeman with the initials WS...did the person reading my first post to you miss the part about it being TWELVE YEARS AGO? Anyone who worked in body at that time knows who W.S. was. And one more thing, were we ever married? You remind me of an ex-wife I once had.
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Post by sjohn191 on Sept 3, 2010 13:04:06 GMT -5
Hey catman, it is in the contract about breavement. How do I know, my brother passed away 2000 on our July shut down. When we came back from shut down I went to HR and handed them the paper work from the furnal. They told me I there should be 3 extra personal day show up on my check since the and furnal happen during shut down.
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Post by brenteskridge on Sept 3, 2010 18:22:30 GMT -5
The language changed in the 2007 contract. In the BIG BLUE PAGES on page 42C it explains how your days wrap around holidays and it also in the 3rd paragraph explains if you are vacation ( in regards to July shutdown ) that you are eligibile to have those days added to your personal hours equal to the days that you missed. This was an issue that Bryan Kessinger found several years ago. Again, this language is found on page 42C under "Application of Bereavement Pay"
Before this language changed, you were not eligible for bereavement pay if the death of a family member fell while you were on vacation. The reason for bereavement pay is because you would lose money while out and since you were on vactation you were not losing money. That is how was before the 2007 and now the language has changed in favor to us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2010 7:03:39 GMT -5
Catwinkle, apparently you have an identity crisis and a gender issue you need to take care of. MOA or not, the union leadership at KTP sounds like it needs an enema.
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