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Post by marcus on Sept 7, 2010 16:13:21 GMT -5
MR Obama says.
It is my belief that not just politically but also economically,its better for us to start getting a system in place,a universal healthcare system signed into law by end of my first term,and build off that system to further...to make it more Rational...by the way canada did not start off a single payer system they had a similar transition step.
Nancy P
We have to pass the bill so that you can find out whats in it!
Nov 2nd the people will speak and two years later they will get rid of these piles of shit in the white house!
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Post by nvsked1 on Sept 7, 2010 22:46:17 GMT -5
www.pnhp.org/The U.S. spends twice as much as other industrialized nations on health care, $8,160 per capita. Yet our system performs poorly in comparison and still leaves 46.3 million without health coverage and millions more inadequately covered. This is because private insurance bureaucracy and paperwork consume one-third (31 percent) of every health care dollar. Streamlining payment through a single nonprofit payer would save more than $400 billion per year, enough to provide comprehensive, high-quality coverage for all Americans. Your Insurance is not guaranteed www.pnhp.org/news/2010/august/honeywell-locks-out-usw-local-over-health-care Honeywell Locks Out USW Local Over Health Care Sister Local in Canada Wins Contract By Kay Tillow All Unions Committee For Single Payer Health Care--HR 676 Aug 29, 2010 On June 28, 2010, Honeywell locked out the 230 union workers at its uranium hexafluoride plant in Metropolis, an Ohio River town of 6,500 at the tip of southern Illinois 400 miles south of Chicago. A working class town nestled amidst the corn, soybean and wheat fields, Metropolis is known for its Superman statue on the court house square where most Illinois candidates, including Barack Obama, have stopped by for a photo op. Honeywell didn’t care if the workers liked their health care plan. This corporation said it was not going to let them keep it. The members of United Steelworkers (USW) Local 7-669 refused to accept the company proposal to increase workers’ out of pocket health care maximum to $8,500 a year and to end retiree health coverage. The union proposed to continue working as they bargained. Honeywell said no and locked the doors.
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Post by marcus on Sept 8, 2010 17:20:54 GMT -5
You really think gov can do a better job and do it cheaper LOL.
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Post by marcus on Sept 8, 2010 17:21:19 GMT -5
My point of this post is just to show how HBO lies.
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Post by nvsked1 on Sept 9, 2010 9:34:43 GMT -5
You really think gov can do a better job and do it cheaper LOL. A willingness to do better has to be realized first.... I apply for a credit card and boom my credit history from birth to present comes up. I go to the doctor they ask health history. Why isn't there a system in place for health information. Government provides national park system, National defense, etc Yes a single payer system cuts out duplication of administrative cost. Compare the amount of billing clerks, to nurses, in any given medical office... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2010 10:11:01 GMT -5
www.pnhp.org/leaves 46.3 million without health coverage and millions more inadequately covered. This # has fluctuated so many dam times from BO's staff, they dont even know a true # of uninsured. The latest #'s also included illegals in the US. |
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Post by nvsked1 on Sept 9, 2010 18:02:04 GMT -5
The 46 million number was not supplied by BO, pnhp is a separate group of healthcare professionals, but yes the number does fluctuate.
All the money spent on the invasion of Iraq, and Iraq war would cover health care for all AMERICAN citizens, then health insurance would not place a burden on employers...Heaven forbid we enable employers to hire again we might even start a domestic agenda that attacks trade deficits...OH now there's a domestic agenda
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Post by marcus on Sept 9, 2010 20:48:49 GMT -5
If we didnt go to was in iraq how long would that money fund heathcare for all?
Healthcare for all will only push more jobs out of the country.
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Post by nvsked1 on Sept 10, 2010 12:05:41 GMT -5
If we didnt go to was in iraq how long would that money fund heathcare for all? Healthcare for all will only push more jobs out of the country. Please support your statements with facts (MLA format if you desire) www.pnhp.org/change/Myths-and-Facts-on-single-payer.pdfFact: 31 percent of current health spending is squandered on administrative tasks related to our fragmented payment system with hundreds of different health plans rather than invested in patient care. Over $350 billion – about half of the money currently wasted on overhead and bureaucracy – could be saved with simplified single-payer administration, enough to cover all the 46 million uninsured. Covering the uninsured is affordable; keeping the current private insurance system intact is not. Myth: The U.S. has a privately financed health care system. Fact: 60 percent of health spending is financed by taxpayers. (Estimates that are lower exclude two large sources of taxpayer-funded care: health insurance for government employees and tax subsidies to employers to provide coverage.) Myth: U.S. health spending is higher than other nations because we get more and higher quality care. Fact: Americans get less of most kinds of care (doctor, hospital, surgery, etc.) than the citizens of other industrialized nations, and our care is lower quality by several measures. All the nations we compete against for jobs have some form of national health care...SO ALONG WITH FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, HEALTH CARE COST HELP PUSH AMERICAN JOBS OVER SEAS... Our country was founded on capitalism, free market principals, labor is a commodity within that free market. Trade agreements place a burden on the system, by taking away free market conditions i.e. businesses are free to pursue lower labor cost...But why do the businesses need a trade pact to pursue lower labor cost if the market is "FREE"?? Health care cost running out of control, placing a burden on the free market, are a byproduct of trade pacts. Caused by forcing our businesses to compete against foreign businesses that are not required to factor health cost into their pricing. Just like the over extended individual who files bankruptcy places additional cost on the credit market. Uninsured patients place additional cost on health care market. Add that additional cost to the fact that 60% of health care cost is being provided by our government (medicare, medicaid, federal employees etc) one can see why our deficit continues to grow. Double digit health care increases, less private employers offering health care coverage because of trade pacts....its a collision course that must be addressed. A single payer system does not prevent the individual with the means from purchasing additional services, (free market) it just guarantees reasonable access to health care to AMERICAN CITIZENS without placing all the burden on taxpayers, or businesses.... A health care trade pact...notice the word free is missing from the phrase "trade pact" Sorry rant over have a good day |
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Post by ktpelec on Sept 10, 2010 16:28:10 GMT -5
Americans spend more on Health Care than anything else. They can't go buy a new Ford because thier Health Care costs so much. Something has to be done.
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Post by marcus on Sept 10, 2010 17:57:42 GMT -5
Fact: Americans get less of most kinds of care (doctor, hospital, surgery, etc.) than the citizens of other industrialized nations, and our care is lower quality by several measures.
Most of the facts are pure BS on that website.We have the best care in the world why the hell do you think people come here for it instead of there own FREE care in there home country.
"Fact: 31 percent of current health spending is squandered on administrative tasks related to our fragmented payment system with hundreds of different health plans rather than invested in patient care. Over $350 billion – about half of the money currently wasted on overhead and bureaucracy – could be saved with simplified single-payer administration, enough to cover all the 46 million uninsured. Covering the uninsured is affordable"
Please use your head you think gov administrative cost would be lower than 31 percent and the money we would save on overhead would pay for 46 million people LOL holy crap dude your out of your mind!
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Post by nvsked1 on Sept 10, 2010 19:29:25 GMT -5
LOL holy crap dude your out of your mind! I'm out of my mind because because I can't afford mental health coverage.... ;D have a good one enjoyed the debate |
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Post by JoePieper on Sept 11, 2010 0:55:16 GMT -5
LOL holy crap dude your out of your mind! I'm out of my mind because because I can't afford mental health coverage.... ;D have a good one enjoyed the debate Not out of his mind......Just smoking CRACK LOL |
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Post by kessinger on Sept 11, 2010 19:43:07 GMT -5
Marcus, yes we have the best health care in the world if you have access to it. What makes Americas numbers so bad isn't bad Hospitals or bad treatment, it's the lack of access to that treatment by so many. So, the question is what is better for the American citizen, the worlds best health care system fewer and fewer people can use. Or health care that everyone can use but isn't the absolute best.
I take exception to the belief that the government can't do anything right or can't work with the market to do good things. I use as an example your electric bill. Kentucky has price controls in place, we keep power flowing, keep prices reasonable, I have heard no electric company screaming for relief, they are all profitable to my knowledge.
We can keep saying "the market will take care of it" as the health care train runs over us. But, this is one of the areas that maybe the market doesn't favor sick people. Sick people cost you profits and every economic model would say to dump sick people to control costs. I don't know the answer to this one but I do feel less government and more free market is not the fix.
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Post by marcus on Sept 11, 2010 22:25:20 GMT -5
I also think something needs to be done of heathcare but it shouldnt be gov ran like its going to be.
We are being lied to that adding 46 million people is not going to cost us anymore money,thats just insane.
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