Post by 30yearpace on Sept 10, 2010 13:23:59 GMT -5
Taken from this post: scottrlap.proboards.com/index.cgi....ead=7182&page=1
Jan 28, 2010, 11:12pm, 30yearpace wrote:My question is, are these statements below true? I pulled these statements from the LAP forums
Jan 26, 2010, 6:15pm, madman wrote:Herb thanks for clearing this crap up,I have s ome questions. 1. If I get called to go anywhere out of zone can I bump someone with less seniority at Ktp? 2. Does voluntarily be asked to go to chicago qualifiy bumping someone or does it have to be a case that would cause me to loose benefits? thanks
1) Yes, if you get forced to make a decision, to have to go out of Zone. Then you will have three options. Accept, Decline and loose pay and benefits, Decline and roll to KTP, if you have the seniority on someone currently working. Then the KTP person will have only two decisions above.
2) You have to be forced to choose, to bump
Herb BC
Post from Elmer:
When LAP shutdown for retool all of you will be classified as ILO, You could be surveyed for Chicago if you turn it down you will lose your pay and benefits. If you have more seniority then a worker at KTP you could roll him, then he would have to go.
Now as far as them surveying you to go you we wont know until the last minute it depends on how many people volunteer to go.
But you will be classified as ILO and anyone who says different is lying to you.
Well unfortunatly the answer is YES and NO. Herb is exactly correct if you are put in a position that Chicago is a strike against someone at LAP. If that were the case they could bump someone at KTP as opposed to losing their benefits. But, there was a letter added to the first set of modifications that should prevent a transfer to Chicago from being a strike against you, or creating a situation that someone could bump KTP employees.
This letter "Future staffing issues- zone 7, louisville area" ( I am not going to type it all out). The letters basic purpose is as long as LAP is getting a product in a reasonable amount of time after the balance out of the explorer. They won't put LAP employees in the position of having a "strike" against them if they don't take a move. They would have the right to come back soon after they moved costing the company moving allowance money 2 times as well as churning at both plants since former LAPers at KTP could go back and any KTPers that were bumped to Chicago could come back also creating loads fo churn and training time at all three plants. The letter does say there has to be a good business case. If the downtime at LAP is going to be the short duration they are saying it is, it would not make financial sense for Ford to make all those moves. ( this paragraph rambles about, sorry, its the only way I could explain it)
What I worry about is them hiring the low wage workers at Chicago then NOT adding a product to LAP. Out of Zone employees DO NOT have the right to bump low wage employees out of their zone once they are past their probationary period.
Hope this answers everything. If not ask your follow up questions and I will try to clarify.
If LAP has no product they can bump KTP people, thats what i got out of that. Link to whole thread: scottrlap.proboards.com/index.cgi....ead=7182&page=1
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Jan 28, 2010, 11:12pm, 30yearpace wrote:My question is, are these statements below true? I pulled these statements from the LAP forums
Jan 26, 2010, 6:15pm, madman wrote:Herb thanks for clearing this crap up,I have s ome questions. 1. If I get called to go anywhere out of zone can I bump someone with less seniority at Ktp? 2. Does voluntarily be asked to go to chicago qualifiy bumping someone or does it have to be a case that would cause me to loose benefits? thanks
1) Yes, if you get forced to make a decision, to have to go out of Zone. Then you will have three options. Accept, Decline and loose pay and benefits, Decline and roll to KTP, if you have the seniority on someone currently working. Then the KTP person will have only two decisions above.
2) You have to be forced to choose, to bump
Herb BC
Post from Elmer:
When LAP shutdown for retool all of you will be classified as ILO, You could be surveyed for Chicago if you turn it down you will lose your pay and benefits. If you have more seniority then a worker at KTP you could roll him, then he would have to go.
Now as far as them surveying you to go you we wont know until the last minute it depends on how many people volunteer to go.
But you will be classified as ILO and anyone who says different is lying to you.
Well unfortunatly the answer is YES and NO. Herb is exactly correct if you are put in a position that Chicago is a strike against someone at LAP. If that were the case they could bump someone at KTP as opposed to losing their benefits. But, there was a letter added to the first set of modifications that should prevent a transfer to Chicago from being a strike against you, or creating a situation that someone could bump KTP employees.
This letter "Future staffing issues- zone 7, louisville area" ( I am not going to type it all out). The letters basic purpose is as long as LAP is getting a product in a reasonable amount of time after the balance out of the explorer. They won't put LAP employees in the position of having a "strike" against them if they don't take a move. They would have the right to come back soon after they moved costing the company moving allowance money 2 times as well as churning at both plants since former LAPers at KTP could go back and any KTPers that were bumped to Chicago could come back also creating loads fo churn and training time at all three plants. The letter does say there has to be a good business case. If the downtime at LAP is going to be the short duration they are saying it is, it would not make financial sense for Ford to make all those moves. ( this paragraph rambles about, sorry, its the only way I could explain it)
What I worry about is them hiring the low wage workers at Chicago then NOT adding a product to LAP. Out of Zone employees DO NOT have the right to bump low wage employees out of their zone once they are past their probationary period.
Hope this answers everything. If not ask your follow up questions and I will try to clarify.
If LAP has no product they can bump KTP people, thats what i got out of that. Link to whole thread: scottrlap.proboards.com/index.cgi....ead=7182&page=1
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