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Post by trinitus on Oct 8, 2010 17:01:27 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed how the restrooms look like (for a better choice of words) shit lately. No towels, floors are dirty, toilets look like they have not been cleaned in months etc. I mean for real before they outsourced it, it wasn't always clean but now it looks even worse than it ever did. I thought I seen a cockroach moving out of the bathroom with his family because it looked so bad. Which restroom you might ask, take your pick I say. Well I am sure the ones in the Admin and Union office are clean but for the rest of them they are not.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 8, 2010 17:10:07 GMT -5
In the part of the plant where I work the problem isn't the cleanup people, the bathrooms are cleaned every shift. It's the people that use them, our co-workers, there are a few that insist on acting like grade schoolers. In the afternoon the restroom is a disaster, why destroy something thats for your own use?
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Oct 8, 2010 18:18:45 GMT -5
Let me enlighten some of you on the condition of the mens restroom between the two frame lines.
---Weeks, perhaps, MONTHS ago two of the toilets kept getting clogged up. STILL out of order.
---You want to know what's better? All the feces/tp mixture that flowed out of them on five or six occasions is STILL stuck on the floor/back wall under the toilets. So when the other toilet leaks, we get a whole nice cesspool of three month old shit all over the floor.
---One of the stall doors with one of the toilets that actually works is busted all to hell. You actually have to half open it and KICK your way out of the stall if you use it. You could crawl out, but see above.....
--- I believe ALL of the toilet seats are busted/loose etc.
It's like a West Virginia truck stop in there. And its GREAT for morale.
Cut my wages, cut my bennies, make me get REPEATEDLY smacked in the head and face with guns and lines, ignore all safety and quality issues, try to intimidate me when I bring attention to them, etc. etc. etc.
JUST GIVE ME A DECENT FUCKING PLACE TO TAKE A SHIT!!!!
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Post by nvsked1 on Oct 8, 2010 20:53:30 GMT -5
Let me enlighten some of you on the condition of the mens restroom between the two frame lines. ---Weeks, perhaps, MONTHS ago two of the toilets kept getting clogged up. STILL out of order. ---You want to know what's better? All the feces/tp mixture that flowed out of them on five or six occasions is STILL stuck on the floor/back wall under the toilets. So when the other toilet leaks, we get a whole nice cesspool of three month old shit all over the floor. ---One of the stall doors with one of the toilets that actually works is busted all to hell. You actually have to half open it and KICK your way out of the stall if you use it. You could crawl out, but see above..... --- I believe ALL of the toilet seats are busted/loose etc. It's like a West Virginia truck stop in there. And its GREAT for morale. Cut my wages, cut my bennies, make me get REPEATEDLY smacked in the head and face with guns and lines, ignore all safety and quality issues, try to intimidate me when I bring attention to them, etc. etc. etc. JUST GIVE ME A DECENT FUCKING PLACE TO TAKE A SHIT!!!! DUDE YOU ROCK!! So we can give a shout out to Kennsinger (only because he frequents the site) What's up H&S to busy to give us a decent place to sh$t for all us dues payin whiners |
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Post by JoePieper on Oct 8, 2010 21:51:38 GMT -5
Its spelled KESSINGER. Body shop bathrooms are looking a little bad lately also. The Mens room at EE39 has had one urinal removed for months and now another one is out of order. I mean really how hard is it to replace a damn urinal so I can take a piss.
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Post by marcus on Oct 8, 2010 22:49:33 GMT -5
Ours are ok in frame its pretty much the nasty people that use them.
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Post by fordboy on Oct 9, 2010 7:59:47 GMT -5
Guess I better give props to our SD trim cleanup girls. Our bathrooms are always clean. I do see some nasty things OUR employees do in there tho.
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Post by 30yearpace on Oct 9, 2010 10:55:40 GMT -5
Anyone notice body shop lost 2 or 3 break rooms and they wern't replaced? During our hot summer we could have used those extra AC break rooms.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Oct 9, 2010 16:06:51 GMT -5
I'm not blaming the hired clean up guys AT ALL.
This is a facilities problem.
The guy mops etc. exactly like he's told, I'm sure.
This is just the company refusing to spend one nickel on ANYTHING for the workers on the floor.
Honestly, can you imagine the global financial uproar over the hit Ford Motor stock would take, and what it would do to the balance sheet if I didn't have to wade through deluted feces-water 2-3 times a day?
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Post by rudedawg on Oct 9, 2010 20:21:40 GMT -5
I should of read this before I started eating a pizza.
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Post by trinitus on Oct 9, 2010 21:48:49 GMT -5
I agree that the clean up people are only doing what they are told but let's also be realistic too. There is more to do than just sweep and mop, they need to replace the paper towels, tp and soap. I can't tell you how many times I went to the bathroom to use it and wash my hands only to find no paper towels there to dry my hands. I honestly believe they only put one paper towel roll in there in a 24 hour period.
What about the TP? Have the time you have to look in all the stalls to see if there is any in there at all. No it is not 100% the clean up people fault on how they look or smell now is it.
As for toilets not working, Paper towel racks missing, sinks not working half the time and busted doors on stalls that is a building issue and the skilled trades of this plant needs to be repairing any and all issues of this. Sorry KTPELEC but your fellow skilled trades people are dropping the ball here.
What is it going to take for action to get done? A very bad outbreak of Legionaires DISEASE to hit the plant before they react. Come on Kess, since you are the only one to come on here anyways do something for us lowly line worker's. Remember we are the one's that put you any the rest of local leadership in office, we can also vote you guys out.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 9, 2010 22:11:02 GMT -5
The toilets don't clog themselves up, the seats, doors and towel dispensers don't get broken by themselves either. The majority of it is juvenile behavior by people that should be mature enough to know how to treat thier own restroom.
I worked today, Saturday, in the restroom at J-33 someone on Friday night shift had put at least half a roll of that towel paper in a comode then took a shit on top of it and left it that way. Why? Thats disrespecting every other male worker that has to use that restroom.
I don't want someone like that working at Ford.
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Post by marcus on Oct 9, 2010 23:46:27 GMT -5
I agree 100 percent with ya ktpelec
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Post by JoePieper on Oct 9, 2010 23:49:27 GMT -5
Damn people flush the toilet. If you dont want to touch the dirty flush handle do what I do...use your foot. Its a no brainer. Makes one wonder how these people live at home.
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Post by trinitus on Oct 10, 2010 11:56:44 GMT -5
The toilets don't clog themselves up, the seats, doors and towel dispensers don't get broken by themselves either. The majority of it is juvenile behavior by people that should be mature enough to know how to treat their own restroom. I worked today, Saturday, in the restroom at J-33 someone on Friday night shift had put at least half a roll of that towel paper in a comode then took a shit on top of it and left it that way. Why? Thats disrespecting every other male worker that has to use that restroom. I don't want someone like that working at Ford. I agree wit ya KTPELEC wholeheartedly. I do seriously doubt that it is the same person going to all the restrooms in the plant though. Nothing worse than doing the Hershey hike only to find no working toilet in a restroom. This has to be a more of a working together type deal here. Clean up needs to make sure paper towels are in the restroom as well as TP and soap. Skilled trades needs to keep toilets running freely as well as having working restrooms and Labor needs to put anyone caught tearing this shit up out the door for good with no chance of ever getting their job back plain and simple. Sorry Kess but at this point when my body functions are getting put at jeopardy nothing else matters. |
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Post by ktpgal89 on Oct 10, 2010 12:37:40 GMT -5
Clean up people can't be bamed for the broken toilets and sinks...it's our trades that fixes those. The ladies locker room in paint last month had the sink hot water run for two straight days-full blast-that is alot of hot water wasted...I kept complaining to management and management would call it in while I stood there, but trades were "too busy" to fix them...one of our toilets was out for at least six months because trades were "too busy" to switch it out...
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Oct 10, 2010 15:26:38 GMT -5
Well, I suppose one of the posters is right.
If somebody busts a toilet or a door, the company shouldn't fix it at all..........EVER, that will show'em...........
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Post by kessinger on Oct 11, 2010 13:39:55 GMT -5
The problem we have now is, there is premier managment and Ford managment involved. The two probably are just passing the buck and nothing is getting fixed.
Maintaining the bathrooms is still our work and contractualy they are supposed to do "deep cleans" at shutdown and Xmas. If you have a bathroom that is extra nasty or a broken toilet call 2688 and they can radio for help or tell your committeeperson they can do the same. Both maintenance and premier are good about getting things corrected if you call them about it.
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Post by panheadred on Oct 11, 2010 16:27:18 GMT -5
I'll be the first to admit that the bathrooms in this place have went downhill bad. However, I'd like to remind everyone that Skilled Trades folks have bosses too. We don't decide if the company will spend the $$$ to fix things nor do we get to choose which jobs to & when to do them, as some of y'all seem to think. Management makes that call. All we can do is tell 'em what is broke, etc & what we need to fix the problem.
I'm just sayin " ...
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Oct 15, 2010 17:50:55 GMT -5
FWIW our Rep. has been told about this, twice by me.....
He's passed it on, I'm sure.
There was some improvement today, they took the garbage bags off of the two bad toilets to fool people into using them and flushing them, and they overflowed, one with a FOUL greyness that came straight out of a Poe piece.......
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Post by kessinger on Oct 21, 2010 19:01:57 GMT -5
Sorry Grunt haven't been on in the last few days. Which bathroom?
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Post by Grimace on Oct 27, 2010 20:19:30 GMT -5
(print this, and lay it on your supervisor/tendent's desk)
I will be notifying OSHA of the bathroom's condition this week.
signed anonymous
OSHA Regulations regarding bathroom santary conditions.
[Title 29, Volume 5]
[Revised as of July 1, 2010]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 29CFR1910.141]
[Page 455-457]
TITLE 29--LABOR
CHAPTER XVII--OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT
PART 1910_OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH STANDARDS--Table of Contents
Subpart J_General Environmental Controls
Sec. 1910.141 Sanitation.
Authority: Sections 4, 6, and 8 of the Occupational Safety and
Health Act of 1970 (29 U.S.C. 653, 655, 657); Secretary of Labor's Order
No. 12-71 (36 FR 8754), 8-76 (41 FR 25059), 9-83 (48 FR 35736), 1-90 (55
FR 9033), 6-96 (62 FR 111), 3-2000 (65 FR 50017), or 5-2007 (72 FR
31159), as applicable.
Sections 1910.141, 1910.142, 1910.145, 1910.146, and 1910.147 also
issued under 29 CFR part 1911.
(a) General--(1) Scope. This section applies to permanent places of
employment.
(2) Definitions applicable to this section.
Nonwater carriage toilet facility, means a toilet facility not
connected to a sewer.
Number of employees means, unless otherwise specified, the maximum
number of employees present at any one time on a regular shift.
Personal service room, means a room used for activities not directly
connected with the production or service function performed by the
establishment. Such activities include, but are not limited to, first-
aid, medical services, dressing, showering, toilet use, washing, and
eating.
Potable water means water which meets the quality standards
prescribed in the U.S. Public Health Service Drinking Water Standards,
published in 42 CFR part 72, or water which is approved for drinking
purposes by the State or local authority having jurisdiction.
Toilet facility, means a fixture maintained within a toilet room for
the purpose of defecation or urination, or both.
Toilet room, means a room maintained within or on the premises of
any place of employment, containing toilet facilities for use by
employees.
Toxic material means a material in concentration or amount which
exceeds the applicable limit established by a standard, such as
Sec. Sec. 1910.1000 and 1910.1001 or, in the absence of an applicable
standard, which is of such toxicity so as to constitute a recognized
hazard that is causing or is likely to cause death or serious physical
harm.
Urinal means a toilet facility maintained within a toilet room for
the sole purpose of urination.
Water closet means a toilet facility maintained within a toilet room
for the purpose of both defecation and urination and which is flushed
with water.
Wet process means any process or operation in a workroom which
normally results in surfaces upon which employees may walk or stand
becoming wet.
(3) Housekeeping. (i) All places of employment shall be kept clean
to the extent that the nature of the work allows.
(ii) The floor of every workroom shall be maintained, so far as
practicable, in a dry condition. Where wet processes are used, drainage
shall be maintained and false floors, platforms, mats, or other dry
standing places shall be provided, where practicable, or appropriate
waterproof footgear shall be provided.
(iii) To facilitate cleaning, every floor, working place, and
passageway shall be kept free from protruding nails, splinters, loose
boards, and unnecessary holes and openings.
(4) Waste disposal. (i) Any receptacle used for putrescible solid or
liquid waste or refuse shall be so constructed that it does not leak and
may be thoroughly cleaned and maintained in a sanitary condition. Such a
receptacle shall be equipped with a solid tight-fitting cover, unless it
can be maintained in a sanitary condition without a cover. This
requirement does not prohibit the use of receptacles which are designed
to permit the maintenance of a sanitary condition without regard to the
aforementioned requirements.
(ii) All sweepings, solid or liquid wastes, refuse, and garbage
shall be removed in such a manner as to avoid creating a menace to
health and as often as necessary or appropriate to maintain the place of
employment in a sanitary condition.
(5) Vermin control. Every enclosed workplace shall be so
constructed, equipped, and maintained, so far as reasonably practicable,
as to prevent the entrance or harborage of rodents, insects, and other
vermin. A continuing and effective extermination program shall be
instituted where their presence is detected.
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Post by driveshaftgrunt on Oct 28, 2010 15:56:37 GMT -5
Sorry Grunt haven't been on in the last few days. Which bathroom? S-8. S-9 The mens restroom next to/above the rear axle line on "fast" frame., or CLT frame, or frame two or whatever it is now. |
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