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Post by kessinger on Oct 25, 2010 12:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by kessinger on Oct 25, 2010 12:44:09 GMT -5
Heres a few examples of what happens when you let business make the rules instead of "We the People"
(1) Dr. Ward from Manchester was interviewed about the health of textile workers on 25th March, 1819.
When I was a surgeon in the infirmary, accidents were very often admitted to the infirmary, through the children's hands and arms having being caught in the machinery; in many instances the muscles, and the skin is stripped down to the bone, and in some instances a finger or two might be lost. Last summer I visited Lever Street School. The number of children at that time in the school, who were employed in factories, was 106. The number of children who had received injuries from the machinery amounted to very nearly one half. There were forty-seven injured in this way.
(2) John Brown, A Memoir of Robert Blincoe (1828)
A girl named Mary Richards, who was thought remarkably handsome when she left the workhouse, and, who was not quite ten years of age, attended a drawing frame, below which, and about a foot from the floor, was a horizontal shaft, by which the frames above were turned. It happened one evening, when her apron was caught by the shaft. In an instant the poor girl was drawn by an irresistible force and dashed on the floor. She uttered the most heart-rending shrieks! Blincoe ran towards her, an agonized and helpless beholder of a scene of horror. He saw her whirled round and round with the shaft - he heard the bones of her arms, legs, thighs, etc. successively snap asunder, crushed, seemingly, to atoms, as the machinery whirled her round, and drew tighter and tighter her body within the works, her blood was scattered over the frame and streamed upon the floor, her head appeared dashed to pieces - at last, her mangled body was jammed in so fast, between the shafts and the floor, that the water being low and the wheels off the gear, it stopped the main shaft. When she was extricated, every bone was found broken - her head dreadfully crushed. She was carried off quite lifeless.
(3) William Cobbett reported a visit to a textile factory in the Political Register that he made in September, 1824 (20th November, 1824).
The 1st, 2nd and 3rd of September were very hot days. The newspapers told us that men had dropped down dead in the harvest fields and the many horses had fallen dead in the harvest fields and that many horses had fallen dead upon the road. Yet the heat during these days never exceeded eighty-four degrees in the hottest part of the day. What, then, must be the situation of the poor children who are doomed to toil fourteen hours a day, in an average of eighty-two degrees? Can any man, with a heart in his body, and a tongue in his head, refrain from cursing a system that produces such slavery and such cruelty.
(4) John Allett started working in a textile factory when he was fourteen years old. Allett was fifty-three when he was interviewed by Michael Sadler and his House of Commons Committee on 21st May, 1832.
Question: Do more accidents take place at the latter end of the day?
Answer: I have known more accidents at the beginning of the day than at the later part. I was an eye-witness of one. A child was working wool, that is, to prepare the wool for the machine; but the strap caught him, as he was hardly awake, and it carried him into the machinery; and we found one limb in one place, one in another, and he was cut to bits; his whole body went in, and was mangled.
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Post by axleman on Oct 25, 2010 12:48:45 GMT -5
Ol' Rand must be one powerful man! How is it that one man running for senator can strike such fear in you Kess? Is he gonna single handedly turn back the clock in American society to 1900? No politician in any state of the union wants to loose big companies who employ union workers. Even Mitch will do all he can to keep Ford in KY. If you want to fight child labor practices you might need to look at China or India or some other 3rd world country.
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Post by axleman on Oct 25, 2010 12:52:06 GMT -5
Man Kess, do you have something alittle more up to date? 1830's was alittle before my time! And some of the info is from England, unless we have a "House of Commons" here that I didn't know about. LOL!
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Post by marcus on Oct 25, 2010 16:11:59 GMT -5
Great post analspasm WE THE PEOPLE nov 2 we get our voice heard again.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 25, 2010 16:49:51 GMT -5
No fear, but hes a crackpot. You can claim anything you want on him. But other than claiming he wants less spending the rest of his beliefs are way out on the fringe.
You want something more modern, ok immigration. He is a libertarian and is for free and open borders and free and open immigration. Which I think you and I disagree with.
The page I used as a reminder of what we end up with if companies are left unchecked.
Take immigration. I had a friend that owns a roofing business, for years he swore he would never hire illegals. Now he hires nothing but. He fought it for years but he was left with no choice, hire illegals and compete or go out of business. We saw it with construction and we are seeing it with things like tire stores now. It is the same with labor laws, which Mr. Paul opposes. Even companies that want to treat there workers fairly will be pushed into doing otherwise by competition.
Almost all of us, you and I, want the government to get involved with this issue. They aren't and it will drive down all our standards of living if left unchecked. The Republicans wont fix it because the dont want to piss business owners off. Dems wont do it because they don't want to piss off the latinos. And most of those that say we need less government still want them to fix this. So yes I would prefer "we the people" through our elected reps. make the rules in America instead of corporations or those with the money to create power.
To say you want less government involved is to say you want the people to have less say in how our country is ran. Since the government is of the people for the people.
American history shows us what a hands off approach gets the working class. And it wasn't much.
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Post by ScottR@KTP on Oct 25, 2010 17:09:19 GMT -5
The sad thing is...the upcoming election can be compared to the last presidential election. A majority of the people were sick of Bush...they would have voted for the other party, regardless of the unqualified candidate. The election next week...same result. People will go in and vote republican or anything other than democrat. The democrats are gonna lose BIG next week...the only people that want to believe otherwise...the liberal media. The voters will speak and speak loudly next Tuesday.
I will be voting for anyone not currently in office and/or republican.
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Post by kessinger on Oct 26, 2010 7:49:56 GMT -5
they will lose big. As every president has lost in the mid term elections when they had majority in house and senate. But Fox news will claim this was a history making event. It is just history. It has happened over and over it will happen next week and will most likely happen the next time it comes about.
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Post by ktpelec on Oct 26, 2010 9:26:56 GMT -5
Great post Kessinger!
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Post by marcus on Oct 26, 2010 16:10:43 GMT -5
I did support rand paul for awhile but I cant do it now with his opinions on our pay and big 3 never going to make a profit with a union.Few other things to so Im not voting for him now.
This election will be huge and not just because its mid terms.It because people are sick of the way Obama and congress is running this country.Dont think its something else.
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